Poll: Circumcision - What is your opinion?

[Delta342]

To me male circumcision is definitely wrong unless under medical grounds or a grown man's decision. Inflicting it on a new born who may not necessarily grow up to follow his parents beliefs/ideals etc just seems wrong.. But meh, that's just what I think. Oh also I'm from the UK and I'm pretty sure it's not particularly common here!

Female circumcision is completely different from male circumcision. The removal of the clitoris is a vile disgusting act akin to cutting off the penis entirely. Anyone defending THAT can fuck off.

Summed up beautifully. It is something I take a very strong view on, in that I see it as one of the most horrific things that has been committed on this earth. The practise is quite commonly performed on a young girl with people pinning her down. I imagine there are very few (if any) medical grounds which warrant it. If that doesn't sound wrong to people then who knows what does. Plus if a woman can't enjoy the sex what's the point?

 

[Wolfram23]

I advise people to watch the penn and teller episode of circumcision. I cant link it for obvious reasons, but google "penn and teller bullshit episode list" go on tv blinx and its season 3 episode 1.

Watched. I felt kind of ill watching those snipping scenes. Ugh my stomach still feels bad. And... yeah. Pretty shitty to be circumsized. Maybe I should try that... tugging... method hahaha.

 

[Uszi]

And really, considering that exterior testicles put all of your evolutionary fitness on in a sensitive and exposed package which is easily attacked isn't really indicative of great design, no matter what they happen to do well functionally.

That area of the body is home several major arteries, meaning it's very warm and very vulnerable. Even if you positioned the testes in the groin, a wound there is a serious and life-threatening injury. Basically, the reason humans have the danglers is because that entire area is poorly put together. Once you stand up, you can defend yourself a lot better... and you need to, because now your hips are now like the big glowing spot on every Zelda boss.

Sure, sure. But outside of the body they become vulnerable to a whole new ray of injuries and attacks, whereas inside of the body they enjoy at least a little bit more protection. And from an evolutionary stand point, your balls are more important than any other single part of your anatomy.

I mean, if we had interior testes, the number one tactic taught in those rape defense seminars would be no longer valid.

Otherwise, point taken.

 

[Normalgamer]

It's a disgusting practice. A circumcised person can't even be considered a full man, since you have a piece missing from the one thing that shouldn't be messed with, ever.

Now phimosis is another thing, but that's rarely the case. And other than that there's absolutely no reasonable arguments in favor of this operation. "easier to clean" pleease, It's just the American way, dispose of everything that requires a little effort.

But hey, go chop your nuts off, be stupid. Or blame your religious nut parents about it, in the end I don't care what you do for personal reasons. It's just the idea behind it that bothers me, stop living in the 1800-century America.

The skin is there for a reason. Enough said.


Oh, and a circumcised dick just looks fucking weak.

Wow bro, so much rage, relax, I'm circumcised and made a whole damn thread about it and I'm not even that fiery. And it does not look weak! They look the fucking same!

 

[drisky]

I have never considered the issue at all. By the sounds of things unless people have a significant bias the difference in sexual pleasure and medical heath are both minimal, but doctors seem to recommend uncircumcised sooooo yeah, whatever, i don't even know.

 

[BakaSmurf]

Quite frankly, I don't have any overly strong feeings on the matter apart from the fact that I'm glad that the end of my dick doesn't look like an anteater's mouth, which is ultimately just my personal opinion. Apart from that I fail to see what the big deal is here, all's I see is a lot of people overreacting to something that's ultimately inconsequential.

 

[DarkRyter]

We forgot the biggest con of all.

Having a part of your penis cut off.

 

[Leftnt Sharpe]

Circumcision instinctively strikes me as being wrong, but that maybe more to do with the slightly dodgy pseudo-religion I was brought up with. Haters gonna Hate, Protestants gonna Protest.

 

[sumanoskae]

Doctor: "Would you like us to skin the edge of your child's dick?"

Parent: "I don't see anything wrong with that"

I have to wonder how traumatizing that experience is for newborns.

Also, my understanding was that although it was easier to clean, it's also easier to get dirty

 

[Saviordd1]

I see no reason not to do it as a kid, you wont remember the pain and its a more socially accepted look, so cut the little bastards skin off
Same goes for girls if you so choose in my opnion

 

[sumanoskae]

I personally am all for it. It's easier for cleaning, helps protect against infection and for god's sake it's NORMAL. I've known way too many women who balk at an uncircumcised penis. I don't want my son to go through that. You do it as a baby, there's no memory of the event.

A) Normalcy doesn't automatically equal ethical or healthy

B) You don't have to remember an event for it to effect you.

 

[BabyRaptor]

Female circumcision is vastly different than male circumcision. There is no real reason for a female to be circumcised, at least that I've ever seen/heard. So I'm plainly against the girl version. (Disclaimer: That opinion may be slightly biased by the fact that I'm female and I like sex.)

As to the males...Well, it's your body, so I say do what you want with it. I do think it should be left for the man to decide himself, not done when he's a baby. But I won't be forcing that opinion on anyone, except any male offspring I might have in the future.

 

[PunkyMcGee]

I personally am all for it. It's easier for cleaning, helps protect against infection and for god's sake it's NORMAL. I've known way too many women who balk at an uncircumcised penis. I don't want my son to go through that. You do it as a baby, there's no memory of the event.

A) Normalcy doesn't automatically equal ethical or healthy

B) You don't have to remember an event for it to effect you.

To your B: I had a circumcision as an infant and no I'm not traumatized. Also, I'm not Jewish.

If I got it now? Then it'd be burned in my mind.

 

[jawakiller]

It's the latest craze. The ladies love it!
I'll take one!
Hey, put me down for two!
I'm game. How's it done?
It's a snap.
I take my machine here, I take your little thing, I put it through this hole, and then...

I nip the tip! Whose first?

... Why is this such a heated debate? Who the fuck cares? I got circumcised as a baby and I really couldn't give a shit. I can't compare having sex without it so I can't complain. Besides, my gf really likes it so... I say its worth it.

And a lot of my female friends say they would rather give a circumcised guy a blow-job.

I frankly find this whole thing about male circumcision quite overblown. It has little if any effect either way so it is not such a big deal.

So would either of you be ok with cutting the tip of a babies finger off? It is the same principle. Also I love that movie it is not referenced enough.

There is no damage done in the process so its not exactly like hacking off a toddlers digits. Besides, it doesn't affect your life enough to justify bitching. Now if my parents had the tips of my fingers shaved... I would certainly let the bitching commence.

And I have to agree on that last comment. People never quote that movie despite its awesome script. Now thats worth bitching about. Unlike other Robin Hoods, I can speak with an english accent.

 

[jawakiller]

We forgot the biggest con of all.

Having a part of your penis cut off.

Its not so bad, I got plenty to spare. haha.

 

[That_Swedish_Guy]

To be honest, if it's something that someone wants to do, let them.

As to doing it on babies, if it's part of a religeon you're never gonna stop it, but I do think that it should be voluntary. So I say no to cricumsising babies.

 

[sumanoskae]

I personally am all for it. It's easier for cleaning, helps protect against infection and for god's sake it's NORMAL. I've known way too many women who balk at an uncircumcised penis. I don't want my son to go through that. You do it as a baby, there's no memory of the event.

A) Normalcy doesn't automatically equal ethical or healthy

B) You don't have to remember an event for it to effect you.

To your B: I had a circumcision as an infant and no I'm not traumatized. Also, I'm not Jewish.

If I got it now? Then it'd be burned in my mind.

I never said it would outright traumatize you, I said it could.

Also, your subconscious mind is largely out of your perception and control, that's why it called SUBconscious . It's quite possible for something to greatly effected your subconscious mind when you don't even remember it.

If I asked you, why is X your favorite food, why do you like the color X, could you come up with a thorough description of what goes on in your mind when you experienced said thing?

 

[Varya]

Wht I don't get is why female circumcision is considered a horrible form of mutilation and abuse (It is, realistically, but that's a different matter), and should not be performed ever.

yet male circumcision is somehow considered normal, and perfectly acceptable, and even encouraged on medical grounds.

How does that work?

Why is a punch between the legs worse if you are a dude? IT'S NOT THE SAME THING! It's not rocket science here. Circumcision on a woman is worse because the procedure have no benefits, note even make believe ones that us males get, and the consequences are worse.
Equality and feminism isn't about pretending there are no differences between sexes, it's about not forcing differences on people based on stereotypes, tradition or other reasons.

 

[Labyrinth]

BONUS DISCUSSION: I find it quite amusing how many people there is that say: "Male circumcision is fine, but Female circumcision is EVUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLL!" I want to ask them a question. Do you believe in equality towards both genders? If yes, shouldn´t male/Female circumcision be just as bad/good as the other?

(For the record, i am aware that female circumcision has MUCH more severe consequences, and i believe it is just as wrong as male circumcision, but this just bugs me. Why scream out for equality when you don´t want it?)

Hi. I'm a feminist. I'm also against both male and female circumcision without the knowing concent of the person it's done on. I would say I consider female circumcision to be the more repulsive of the two.

Spoiler: Handy diagram.

In the above you can see some sketched examples of FGM. For many women, removal of the clitoris reduces the chance of having orgasm, more so if the mutilation was a traumatic experience. Alongside this, there are no known medical benefits, but plenty of known medical risks. For one, the procedures are rarely if ever performed in sterile environments or with anaesthetic. In small villages the victims often have their wounds 'treated' with milk afterwards which increases the risk of infection. Some women also die from shock and bleeding due to this procedure not to mention the additional risk when it comes to intercourse and childbirth and the psychological impact which sees many refugees uncomfortable with relationships or anxious and skittish.

Add to this the rather horrendous reasons generall argued for the continuation. For example, that it's a necessary part of preparing a girl for adulthood. What the fuck does that say for how one should expect their life to be? Or the other favourite, that it prevents women from having ilicit sexual relationships due to the fear of pain when a narrowed vaginal opening is penetrated. It's the virgin/whore female role dichotomy all over again, but blades are used to enforce it rather than just slut shaming. There are some women who say that they find it a liberating process in that it removes body parts associated with the masculine, hence enabling them to be more pure. Sexism again in my opinion. I just don't see tradition as an excuse for this process. Once a woman is an adult to choose, I can't take issue with that because it's personal choice with her body. As a child or an adolescent? Fuck that.

There are some situations where genital mutilation in men can be a medical prodecure, such as erectile issues and problems with painful growth due to the foreskin being too tight etc. These procedures are carried out with the consultation of doctors and the person in question. For religious reasons I find it just as uncontionable as FGM as both are based on unhealthy sexual negativity and paranoia. As I said before, fuck that.

 

[lacktheknack]

Why not on babies? They'll never know any different.