Poll: Console Gamers: Excited?

[Cherry Cola]

You want to see mod support moved to consoles?

The way it's going they are killing off mods and custom content along with PC gaming.

By they I mean Activision and IW. Which is fine, we'll just be better off without them.

We'd be better off without mod support or Activision? I'm sensing suspect motives :O

I love mod support, just not Activision.

Depending on how other developers follow there won't be any motive, but if they just leave PC alone and focus on consoles I think PC gaming is better off.

They should have left PC alone in the first place. And I don't mean "don't make games for PC", I mean "don't take away dedicated servers". Just let everything be in place.

 

[Viking Incognito]

.....I might be out of the loop but haven't consoles been more popular than PC games for like, a long time?

 

[KSarty]

Which is why further development on consoles may be able to provide this. Perhaps in the future if enough care and time is spent on consoles then we could have all those things. And he's not saying that he's happy about the "Death" of PC gaming, he isn't even saying that he believes the PC will die. He say the opposite to be exact.

Fact is, the current console generation has made it more difficult for a console modding community to start up than the previous generation. In order to run mods on a console, you would have to either point the game to override files on the console's hard drive, something I do not think is possible right now, or burn your own disc of the game with your modified files included on that disc. To run that disc, you would need your 360 to be modded, which is grounds for banning from xbox live. The console infrastructure currently in place inhibits modding more than encourages it.

Not to mention that developers create their games on PCs, meaning all of their tools run on PCs. They aren't going to spend the extra time to make their tools run on the consoles.

EDIT: In order to utilize MP mods dedicated servers are required, because only other players with the same mod can play in that server. Consoles do not have dedicated servers.

 

[Cherry Cola]

He's not "slanted towards the eradication of PC gaming", he's just supporting the idea of having developers making better content for consoles.

Which is fine, but at the start, he says that he is 'jazzed' over the end of Dedicated servers, patching and all those things that are essential to PC gaming. I don't understand why he thinks that one has to be downgraded for the other.
Both platforms can flourish perfectly together.

Hmm, I think that has more to do with the OP phrasing it badly than him actually feeling contempt towards the PC.

 

[KhaineII]

It doesn't have to be downgraded! I'm just speaking of the sudden shift of focus to console gaming! Am I happy about the whole dedicated server issue? No.

However, with the focus on console gaming, can't I be a little excited to perhaps see some improvements thrown on?

Grand then, so can you change your first post so it isn't obviously flamebait then?
At the moment, with phrases like 'a more general consensus for PC Gamers to quit feeling so entitled' it's very easy to get incensed. If you change it, then I have no problem with what you're saying.

While I would love to change the words Valve, IW, etc. I can't. So when discussing the things they say, that is what you will read.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Which is why further development on consoles may be able to provide this. Perhaps in the future if enough care and time is spent on consoles then we could have all those things. And he's not saying that he's happy about the "Death" of PC gaming, he isn't even saying that he believes the PC will die. He say the opposite to be exact.

Fact is, the current console generation has made it more difficult for a console modding community to start up than the previous generation. In order to run mods on a console, you would have to either point the game to override files on the console's hard drive, something I do not think is possible right now, or burn your own disc of the game with your modified files included on that disc. To run that disc, you would need your 360 to be modded, which is grounds for banning from xbox live. The console infrastructure currently in place inhibits modding more than encourages it.

Not to mention that developers create their games on PCs, meaning all of their tools run on PCs. They aren't going to spend the extra time to make their tools run on the consoles.

Well then I guess improved modding tools on consoles is a no-show. But I still believe that improvements can be made, as well as new innovative things.

Maybe in the future we can hope that Nintendo Sony and Microsoft merge together to make the most superior gaming console ever. That would mean the end of the console wars! Although there would still be flame about which game is better, and I would never shut up about the PS2 being the best console of all time... Is there any way to end flame-wars?

 

[suhlEap]

well i'd be happt to see more ideas implemented on consoles seen as i don't play on pc. but i'm not really that bothered i suppose. i'm happy with what we've got at the moment really.

 

[Cherry Cola]

what I am saying is that if the PC would get the shorter straw then I wouldn't have any real problems with that since it would mean improvement on consoles.

Well I and a lot of other people would, thus it is not a perfect solution.
Anyway, I don't see why people seem to think PC gamers have the long straw anyway, we've been getting fucked over since the late 90's.

Anyway, I'm off, this thread will be the death of me, I'm already on probation because of it, mostly my own fault. No offense OP, but I hope it gets locked, because these kind of arguments help nothing and I'm ashamed for taking part.

It was a pleasure to have this fiery debate with you (although it wasn't THAT fiery, but the word adds drama)

 

[rossatdi]

Yes ... as long as we eventually get keyboard and mouse support.

 

[KhaineII]

*snip*

Counter-snip.

I've plugged a USB Keyboard into my XBox before to use MSN. The ability is there, it just requires the backup.

 

[mattman106]

OP says that games are made for PC and ported over to console whereas I think the exact opposite is true. Also if MW2 is anything to go by, by focusing on consoles developers won't add new stuff to the console experience just take them away from the PC experience.

I am not 'jazzed' about this as I think console games will not see any substantial improvement in quality and PC games will continue to see a decline in quality.

Developers on both platforms need to be held to a higher measure of quality than is currently being applied.

 

[Mr. Socky]

I love PC gaming (as I prefer mods and mouse+keyboard over ease of use) but I'm excited that there is an increase in features for console games. Unfortunately, the downside of this is already becoming apparent.

PS3 games almost always require installing, the Xbox 360 has serious technical problems, and handhelds still don't have the power to compete (except in the one-the-go market, which is what their aiming for anyway). Consoles are becoming less and less user friendly, with more and more of the issues that plague PC use. It used to be that you would play on a console so that while the controls wouldn't be as good, it would be cheaper and spend much less time having to troubleshoot why it gives you the Purple Screen of Moronic Doom on Thursdays, and spend more time playing. With the Red Ring of Death, mandatory installs, and other such problems, this wonderfullness is dying out.

While I welcome the extra features, if these features come at the cost of ease of use, why bother?

 

[Pingieking]

*snip*

Counter-snip.

I've plugged a USB Keyboard into my XBox before to use MSN. The ability is there, it just requires the backup.

Yes, but no game devs support it, nor have they showed any sign of wanting to support it.

With the current console trend moving towards the Wii-fication of everything to make it more accessable and family friendly, it's very unlikely that any of the PC features will make it into the console world for the next generation. I think the main problem with your ideas is that consoles are made for accessibility, and every PC-only feature goes against that accessibility.

 

[slipknot4]

I know what you are saying and i agree, i play cross format but i prefer consoles because of the instant boot and more comfortable gameplay. Only thing i like about the Pc is music and music only.... and fallout 3: Garden Of Eden Creating Kit. The G.E.C.K

 

[Mr. Socky]

handhelds still don't have the power to compete (except in the one-the-go market, which is what their aiming for anyway).

The PS3 has sold a total of 27 million units whereas the Nintendo DS has sold over 100 million.

What I meant was in the area of literal computing power. It's fine for some silly little games, but there just isn't enough hardware for content creation on the handheld (the failure known as Scribblenauts proved this, though that could be blamed more for the extensive use of touchscreen crap). If you ever read things for content creation (like the Unreal Editor) they suggest having a very, very powerful computer to even run it. It requires a lot of processing power.

 

[Schlorgan]

I love hot wings

 

[Danny Ocean]

*snip*

No no, I don't think that will happen. They won't raise console games up, they'll simply dumb down PC titles. After all, which costs them more money?

 

[katsabas]

I do not think PC is dying just cause a game did not have dedicated servers. That's a silly remark. If a game that my video card can runs smoothly is spotted by my big greenish-blue eyes and at the same time is also available on my console, I will get it for my PC cause it is cheaper. I recently downloaded a driver that lets me use a SIXAXIS controller instead of a keyboard and it runs great. I plan to get Ultimate Spiderman and Psychonauts and play them to death. So, for me, no, PC is not dying. It is simply entering a new age, where the consoles get the most attention.

 

[Woodsey]

I hope this is a joke.

You're HAPPY that developers will just ignore what people in their fanbase want?

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

We're all gamers you know.

And entitlement my arse, it's standard that PC ports have higher resolutions and an improvement of textures, etc. To limit the PC side of things is to limit gaming. The dedicated servers just show how they want to bend everyone over.

 

[GonzoGamer]

That's funny because the console fanboys are the ones that gave me the impression of being elitist.

While I can see all this happening, I don't see how it will necessarily lead to better software for the consoles. Console owners have proven that they are willing to pay full price for lackluster content, so there's always going to be publishers looking to take advantage of that.

This thread seems to be based on the practice of one company (that's pretty much a console publisher to begin with) that seems to be doing all it can to ditch it's PC fanbase. I wouldn't expect dedicated pc publishers like valve to necessarily follow suit.