Poll: did i pretty much make this kid snap?

[RandomWords]

You were probably at fault. From what I can decipher from your wall o text and assuming there was a bit more that you cleaned up to make yourself look better (I am not saying for sure, but in this situation I would do the same) you were essentially bullying him and he decided not to take it anymore. Yes, he probably has some anger issues, but you provoked him.

 

[0z0wen]

Sticks and stones can break bones but words can break hearts

 

[Kyogissun]

The way I grasp it, I've got a couple statements to make:

First off, you and your friend are assholes. If someone's being bothered by your 'teasing' then knock that shit off. If they're not laughing or avoiding letting it get to them, then you need to bug off, there are people willing to put up with asshattery like yours and clearly this guy wasn't one.

Second, the moment he starts trying to pass the blame to you guys is when you call his ass out. Yes, you PROBABLY were the straw that broke the camels back but you know what? HE made the decision to use the knife and HE punctured that guy's lung, NOT you.

A stable person may not 'accept' the teasing he gets but he also learns to not take out his frustration or stress on others. This guy CLEARLY is not stable. Maybe it's his environment, maybe he's crazy, I dunno, but he's got the makings of a bad person. First it's stabbing and then... Well, it could be more.

So, next time you talk to the counselor, I advise you to do this, admit you were wrong in taunting him and apologize for it, but do NOT accept AT ALL that you guys are the cause of HIM STABBING the other dude. Once more, HE made the decision to stab the guy in the lung, not you two.

That's all.

 

[Ampersand]

Obviously there's no excuse for stabing someone, but to be fair you arn't free from blame either. I just hope you realise that words can hurt people(not as much as knives........but still.) just do your best not to harm anyone on purpose.
This actually kind of reminds of something that happened to me when i was in school. I was waiting in a lunch line and the guy next to me somehow got it into his head that I cut in front of him, he got very upset and stabed me in the arm with his fork. I found out later that he had been bullied severely for weeks and was totally on edge. I felt bad for the guy, he was hurting more then me even though i was the one bleeding.

 

[Zyphonee]

Seems pretty obvious that he has mental issues. You trying to give him a playful hard time doesn't help him at all. Either way, you didn't know it and thought it was all in good fun, so I doubt anyone can blame you, as long as he laughed at the teasing, otherwise, you're an ass and need to learn not to mess with people you don't have a trust bond with.

 

[Jadak]

How was he even still in school at the end of the day after 2 stabbings?

 

[Kyogissun]

Obviously there's no excuse for stabing someone, but to be fair you arn't free from blame either. I just hope you realise that words can hurt people(not as much as knives........but still.) just do your best not to harm anyone on purpose.
This actually kind of reminds of something that happened to me when i was in school. I was waiting in a lunch line and the guy next to me somehow got it into his head that I cut in front of him, he got very upset and stabed me in the arm with his fork. I found out later that he had been bullied severely for weeks and was totally on edge. I felt bad for the guy, he was hurting more then me even though i was the one bleeding.

I don't think you should have felt bad dude, you should have taken a semi-aggressive approach, something to get the point across that he's more pathetic for attacking an innocent bystander like you than those guys were for teasing him in the first place.

It's one thing to be bothered by bullying, it's another to cave and submit to violent/irrational behavior.

 

[klaynexas3]

The way I grasp it, I've got a couple statements to make:

First off, you and your friend are assholes. If someone's being bothered by your 'teasing' then knock that shit off. If they're not laughing or avoiding letting it get to them, then you need to bug off, there are people willing to put up with asshattery like yours and clearly this guy wasn't one.

Second, the moment he starts trying to pass the blame to you guys is when you call his ass out. Yes, you PROBABLY were the straw that broke the camels back but you know what? HE made the decision to use the knife and HE punctured that guy's lung, NOT you.

A stable person may not 'accept' the teasing he gets but he also learns to not take out his frustration or stress on others. This guy CLEARLY is not stable. Maybe it's his environment, maybe he's crazy, I dunno, but he's got the makings of a bad person. First it's stabbing and then... Well, it could be more.

So, next time you talk to the counselor, I advise you to do this, admit you were wrong in taunting him and apologize for it, but do NOT accept AT ALL that you guys are the cause of HIM STABBING the other dude. Once more, HE made the decision to stab the guy in the lung, not you two.

That's all.

just saying, he joined in, and acted like he was having a good time when we did it. he laughed with us, he messed with other people with us(whom also mess with us, we don't mess with anyone that isn't our friend and that we don't know if they're cool with it or not. and yes, i realize that obviously he must not have been cool with it) he just seemed like he was having a good time.
and yes, i did apologize to the counselor, admitted what i did was wrong, but he still treats me like i was the one that stabbed the dude.

 

[twillman15]

In my humble opinion, you were probably more of a friend to him then an enemy...buuttt the insults you and the cuban kid traded to each other while probably seen as friendly on the outside, unconsciously the cuban kid most likely took these insults personally and took his aggression out on the pop tart kid. Sort of like an earthquake the pressure just builds up and then violently releases all at once.

 

[klaynexas3]

How was he even still in school at the end of the day after 2 stabbings?

the second one was later after he was off the bus heading home, and the first one was as deep as that part of the pin that comes out after you click it. the first guy didn't tell. in fact, it was the bus driver that told on the stabber, not the dude who was stabbed. everyone was trying to protect him cause he is one of our friends.

 

[Kyogissun]

The way I grasp it, I've got a couple statements to make:

First off, you and your friend are assholes. If someone's being bothered by your 'teasing' then knock that shit off. If they're not laughing or avoiding letting it get to them, then you need to bug off, there are people willing to put up with asshattery like yours and clearly this guy wasn't one.

Second, the moment he starts trying to pass the blame to you guys is when you call his ass out. Yes, you PROBABLY were the straw that broke the camels back but you know what? HE made the decision to use the knife and HE punctured that guy's lung, NOT you.

A stable person may not 'accept' the teasing he gets but he also learns to not take out his frustration or stress on others. This guy CLEARLY is not stable. Maybe it's his environment, maybe he's crazy, I dunno, but he's got the makings of a bad person. First it's stabbing and then... Well, it could be more.

So, next time you talk to the counselor, I advise you to do this, admit you were wrong in taunting him and apologize for it, but do NOT accept AT ALL that you guys are the cause of HIM STABBING the other dude. Once more, HE made the decision to stab the guy in the lung, not you two.

That's all.

just saying, he joined in, and acted like he was having a good time when we did it. he laughed with us, he messed with other people with us(whom also mess with us, we don't mess with anyone that isn't our friend and that we don't know if they're cool with it or not. and yes, i realize that obviously he must not have been cool with it) he just seemed like he was having a good time.
and yes, i did apologize to the counselor, admitted what i did was wrong, but he still treats me like i was the one that stabbed the dude.

Let me just say that if you're not telling the truth here and there's something you've left out for us to make it look like you haven't done anything wrong, then ANYTHING bad that comes your way, I'm sorry but you'd deserve it. The only thing worse than having done what you did would be to lie about what extent it went to.

BUT, I prefer to be trusting and I'm accepting the idea that you don't have anything to gain by leaving out details. I re-read things and saw the whole 'he went along with it' comment and so yeah, I still stand by my original statement:

You guys are dicks for messing with him in the first place but do NOT let anyone plant the blame on you. Someone could have given him the shank/shiv/knife but HE (And again, everyone reading this needs to realize this is the most important point) made the decision to stab that guy. It wasn't in self defense, it was the result of him succumbing to a weakness and deciding that 'violence' was the 'best' way to solve his problem.

 

[VicunaBlue]

so, there's this kid who rides my bus, and one of my friends is also friends with the dude. my friend kind of messes around with the kid, so i did i bit of the same. he tended to laugh at it a bit, cause it wasn't like name calling, i mean, we'd tell a racist joke or two, but it wasn't strictly on him, we did it to must people, even each other. we'd also say his name in like a funny way, nothing really discriminating, just in like a cuban accent(by the way, he's cuban). so, yesterday, this other guy on our bus, that morning had a poptart, and put it on the dudes head. now, the dude stabbed my friend in the arm first with a shank he made out of a pen, thinking it was him. then, in the afternoon, he try's to do the same to the kid that actually put the poptart on his head. the kid punches the dude in the face. now, they get off at the same stop, so on the poptart dudes way home, the cuban kid stabs him, with a knife, in the chest, and it punctures his lung. he's now in a lot of trouble. now, my friend says that us messing with him, isn't what caused it, but the counselor at our school says otherwise. anyway, i want to know, am i at fault here? did i pretty much stab the guy because i messed with this one kid just sort of joking with him? or do you think he was already messed up and just had bad anger issues? just as some more information, he has had some violent behavior before i even really met him.

Well obviously you were at fault. Not fully of course, your friends helped, but you sure did a lot.

Fitting screen name, ehh?


No, you aren't. If he wasn't confident enough to ask you to stop, but had enough balls to shank someone, he probably has a few issues.

 

[Azrael the Cat]

The way I grasp it, I've got a couple statements to make:

First off, you and your friend are assholes. If someone's being bothered by your 'teasing' then knock that shit off. If they're not laughing or avoiding letting it get to them, then you need to bug off, there are people willing to put up with asshattery like yours and clearly this guy wasn't one.

Second, the moment he starts trying to pass the blame to you guys is when you call his ass out. Yes, you PROBABLY were the straw that broke the camels back but you know what? HE made the decision to use the knife and HE punctured that guy's lung, NOT you.

A stable person may not 'accept' the teasing he gets but he also learns to not take out his frustration or stress on others. This guy CLEARLY is not stable. Maybe it's his environment, maybe he's crazy, I dunno, but he's got the makings of a bad person. First it's stabbing and then... Well, it could be more.

So, next time you talk to the counselor, I advise you to do this, admit you were wrong in taunting him and apologize for it, but do NOT accept AT ALL that you guys are the cause of HIM STABBING the other dude. Once more, HE made the decision to stab the guy in the lung, not you two.

That's all.

just saying, he joined in, and acted like he was having a good time when we did it. he laughed with us, he messed with other people with us(whom also mess with us, we don't mess with anyone that isn't our friend and that we don't know if they're cool with it or not. and yes, i realize that obviously he must not have been cool with it) he just seemed like he was having a good time.
and yes, i did apologize to the counselor, admitted what i did was wrong, but he still treats me like i was the one that stabbed the dude.

That's because you're still trying to minimalise the whole thing. Stop saying 'oh, he joined in...it was only a LITTLE bit racist (like hell it was)...he was having a good time...'. Assholes like you say that all the time. If he was having a good time, he wouldn't have reacted like that. More like he was trying to laugh it off in the hope that you'd go pick on someone else, and didn't want to give you the satisfaction of knowing he was upset.

Stop making excuses and accept your responsibility.

 

[klaynexas3]

I mean, we'd tell a racist joke or two, but it wasn't strictly on him. We did it to must people and even each other. We'd also say his name in like a funny way, but nothing really discriminating. Just in a cuban accent (by the way, he's cuban).

The answer to your question depends on what kind of situation is really being portrayed in these sentences. It's doubtful that your views and this kid's on what constitute harmless ethnic-joking yuk-yuks are the same, and frankly it sounds to me like you're trying to soft-soap the situation to your own benefit, but I can't know that for sure. Only you can. For future reference, it's pretty common for kids in his situation to pretend to laugh along while seething inside; I absolutely guarantee you that most non-white people you know have had to do this at one time or another.

Of course, most of those people don't haul off and stab somebody. That's over the top regardless of what verbal taunting was or wasn't happening; if the kid had just punched out someone who was hassling him that would be a different story. Nevertheless, you never know who has a violent history, so in general it's a good idea not to go around taunting people you don't know.

actually i knew the dude, like i started knowing him this year, and he was pretty cool and i saw us as friends.

he himself never said anything about it being bullying that made him stab the dude, that's just assumptions made by a counselor at my school. this was sort of the dude's way of saying stop. he didn't try to kill him, he just wanted him to quit messing with him, and got a little extreme with it.

 

[Kyogissun]

I mean, we'd tell a racist joke or two, but it wasn't strictly on him. We did it to must people and even each other. We'd also say his name in like a funny way, but nothing really discriminating. Just in a cuban accent (by the way, he's cuban).

The answer to your question depends on what kind of situation is really being portrayed in these sentences. It's doubtful that your views and this kid's on what constitute harmless ethnic-joking yuk-yuks are the same, and frankly it sounds to me like you're trying to soft-soap the situation to your own benefit, but I can't know that for sure. Only you can. For future reference, it's pretty common for kids in his situation to pretend to laugh along while seething inside; I absolutely guarantee you that most non-white people you know have had to do this at one time or another.

Of course, most of those people don't haul off and stab somebody. That's over the top regardless of what verbal taunting was or wasn't happening; if the kid had just punched out someone who was hassling him that would be a different story. Nevertheless, you never know who has a violent history, so in general it's a good idea not to go around taunting people you don't know.

Pretty much that, hopefully this situation will show you two not to fuck around anymore... Still, a normal case of bullying... The first level of 'violence' is NORMALLY a fist fight or throwing a blunt object at someone, not fucking STABBING a dude.

That really says a lot about the kid, kinda creeps me out to be honest. Especially as someone who's been 'bullied', I find the concept of using knives or guns or anything sharp/lethal in the form of a physical reaction to bullying really disturbing and wrong.

 

[klaynexas3]

The way I grasp it, I've got a couple statements to make:

First off, you and your friend are assholes. If someone's being bothered by your 'teasing' then knock that shit off. If they're not laughing or avoiding letting it get to them, then you need to bug off, there are people willing to put up with asshattery like yours and clearly this guy wasn't one.

Second, the moment he starts trying to pass the blame to you guys is when you call his ass out. Yes, you PROBABLY were the straw that broke the camels back but you know what? HE made the decision to use the knife and HE punctured that guy's lung, NOT you.

A stable person may not 'accept' the teasing he gets but he also learns to not take out his frustration or stress on others. This guy CLEARLY is not stable. Maybe it's his environment, maybe he's crazy, I dunno, but he's got the makings of a bad person. First it's stabbing and then... Well, it could be more.

So, next time you talk to the counselor, I advise you to do this, admit you were wrong in taunting him and apologize for it, but do NOT accept AT ALL that you guys are the cause of HIM STABBING the other dude. Once more, HE made the decision to stab the guy in the lung, not you two.

That's all.

just saying, he joined in, and acted like he was having a good time when we did it. he laughed with us, he messed with other people with us(whom also mess with us, we don't mess with anyone that isn't our friend and that we don't know if they're cool with it or not. and yes, i realize that obviously he must not have been cool with it) he just seemed like he was having a good time.
and yes, i did apologize to the counselor, admitted what i did was wrong, but he still treats me like i was the one that stabbed the dude.

That's because you're still trying to minimalise the whole thing. Stop saying 'oh, he joined in...it was only a LITTLE bit racist (like hell it was)...he was having a good time...'. Assholes like you say that all the time. If he was having a good time, he wouldn't have reacted like that. More like he was trying to laugh it off in the hope that you'd go pick on someone else, and didn't want to give you the satisfaction of knowing he was upset.

Stop making excuses and accept your responsibility.

fine, i'm a terrible person and i should go kill myself because i said a dudes name in a funny way and said a racist joke. i should burn in hell for all eternity. happy?

 

[Deguasser]

It's called he has an actual mental disorder most likely, unless this was done to him all the time

 

[DaggerOfCompassion]

so, there's this kid who rides my bus, and one of my friends is also friends with the dude. my friend kind of messes around with the kid, so i did i bit of the same. he tended to laugh at it a bit, cause it wasn't like name calling, i mean, we'd tell a racist joke or two, but it wasn't strictly on him, we did it to must people, even each other. we'd also say his name in like a funny way, nothing really discriminating, just in like a cuban accent(by the way, he's cuban). so, yesterday, this other guy on our bus, that morning had a poptart, and put it on the dudes head. now, the dude stabbed my friend in the arm first with a shank he made out of a pen, thinking it was him. then, in the afternoon, he try's to do the same to the kid that actually put the poptart on his head. the kid punches the dude in the face. now, they get off at the same stop, so on the poptart dudes way home, the cuban kid stabs him, with a knife, in the chest, and it punctures his lung. he's now in a lot of trouble. now, my friend says that us messing with him, isn't what caused it, but the counselor at our school says otherwise. anyway, i want to know, am i at fault here? did i pretty much stab the guy because i messed with this one kid just sort of joking with him? or do you think he was already messed up and just had bad anger issues? just as some more information, he has had some violent behavior before i even really met him.

Well obviously you were at fault. Not fully of course, your friends helped, but you sure did a lot.

Fitting screen name, ehh?


No, you aren't. If he wasn't confident enough to ask you to stop, but had enough balls to shank someone, he probably has a few issues.

So OP racially mocks some kid and the kid responds with something other then gratitude and praise, so the kid who was mocked has issues? I think he was perfectly justified acting with violence against his peers who were violent to him.

 

[Dags90]

What you did was wrong. Stop trying to look for a way to absolve yourself and stop playing the blame game. Grow up.

 

[VicunaBlue]

so, there's this kid who rides my bus, and one of my friends is also friends with the dude. my friend kind of messes around with the kid, so i did i bit of the same. he tended to laugh at it a bit, cause it wasn't like name calling, i mean, we'd tell a racist joke or two, but it wasn't strictly on him, we did it to must people, even each other. we'd also say his name in like a funny way, nothing really discriminating, just in like a cuban accent(by the way, he's cuban). so, yesterday, this other guy on our bus, that morning had a poptart, and put it on the dudes head. now, the dude stabbed my friend in the arm first with a shank he made out of a pen, thinking it was him. then, in the afternoon, he try's to do the same to the kid that actually put the poptart on his head. the kid punches the dude in the face. now, they get off at the same stop, so on the poptart dudes way home, the cuban kid stabs him, with a knife, in the chest, and it punctures his lung. he's now in a lot of trouble. now, my friend says that us messing with him, isn't what caused it, but the counselor at our school says otherwise. anyway, i want to know, am i at fault here? did i pretty much stab the guy because i messed with this one kid just sort of joking with him? or do you think he was already messed up and just had bad anger issues? just as some more information, he has had some violent behavior before i even really met him.

Well obviously you were at fault. Not fully of course, your friends helped, but you sure did a lot.

Fitting screen name, ehh?


No, you aren't. If he wasn't confident enough to ask you to stop, but had enough balls to shank someone, he probably has a few issues.

So OP racially mocks some kid and the kid responds with something other then gratitude and praise, so the kid who was mocked has issues? I think he was perfectly justified acting with violence against his peers who were violent to him.

If I am to believe the OP, the kid who shanked the other guy seemed to be playing along with it. Teenage kids fuck around with each other all the time, OP Probably thought that was what was going on.