Worst game I have ever played for this was kill zone. I got more kills pulling a grenade and running at people. Then waiting for it to explode than shooting them beacuse the guns were just useless.
Poll: Do instant-kill knives/melee need to go?
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I disagree completely.theguitarhero6 said:
COD's knife system is very broken, the one hit kill assigned to the right stick is a disaster.
When I first started COD I got so many accidental kills on probably better players because I squeezed my controller too hard coming round a corner and arriving face to face with someone...
Panic, squeeze trigger by accident and if I have a better connection to the host then he dies. Now that I'm better at the game it makes me mad when it happens me.
It's bullshit.
I don't think all melee attacks should be instant kill. The Halo games are a good example, an attack from behind is an instant kill, but hitting them from the front is easily shugged off.
I think the issue in games like CoD that knives are swung so quickly, and come out and in again in a stupidly short amount of time, so the sniper, as soon as he detects an enemy at close range, can switch from shooting to stabbing instantly. Compare this with TF2, where the melee attack is a completely separate weapon, so if you want to slice someone up, you need to take a second or two to swap over to it.
If we consider a basic sniper vs melee scenario on something like TF2, where you've crept up on an unaware sniper and plan to beat him over the head with a fish or something, even if the sniper turns around before you get a single hit in, you're still at a situational advantage because he either has to use his sniper rifle at close range, or spend a couple of precious seconds to put his rifle away and pick up something more appropriate. Compare that with the most identical scenario we can produce in CoD, if you outwit a sniper but, for whatever reason, he manages to spot you the second before you make the knife kill, the long range specialist instantly becomes as good at fighting close range as you are by being able to make the near instant knife swipes.
I don't think that one hit kill knives are a bad idea as such, but allowing people to make knife strikes at a moment's notice regardless of what they were doing isn't my idea of fair play.
If we consider a basic sniper vs melee scenario on something like TF2, where you've crept up on an unaware sniper and plan to beat him over the head with a fish or something, even if the sniper turns around before you get a single hit in, you're still at a situational advantage because he either has to use his sniper rifle at close range, or spend a couple of precious seconds to put his rifle away and pick up something more appropriate. Compare that with the most identical scenario we can produce in CoD, if you outwit a sniper but, for whatever reason, he manages to spot you the second before you make the knife kill, the long range specialist instantly becomes as good at fighting close range as you are by being able to make the near instant knife swipes.
I don't think that one hit kill knives are a bad idea as such, but allowing people to make knife strikes at a moment's notice regardless of what they were doing isn't my idea of fair play.
Only if the knife has very short range. If someone runs into you around a corner, they have just as much chance as you to use the knife. If, however, you start running at someone at a moderate distance to you with your itty-bitty reach, you should die hard.
EDIT - After reading the post above:
Make the speed of them 'class' dependant too. Snipers should not be ninjas. Only a ninja can sneak up on an other ninja.
EDIT - After reading the post above:
Make the speed of them 'class' dependant too. Snipers should not be ninjas. Only a ninja can sneak up on an other ninja.
Melee attacks just need refinement, the way CoD has it is pretty bad.
The way I imagine it:
- blow in the back or head should result in an instant kill
- others should take 50% of the health
- also delay attack reuse and delay kill recover(pulling the knife out or something)
This way you can get a drop on someone and do a clean stealthy kill, but you can't go running around instant killing everyone.
The way I imagine it:
- blow in the back or head should result in an instant kill
- others should take 50% of the health
- also delay attack reuse and delay kill recover(pulling the knife out or something)
This way you can get a drop on someone and do a clean stealthy kill, but you can't go running around instant killing everyone.
Have you ever been hit in the face by a metal object at accelerated force and impact? The first hit takes away the standard resistance that your enemy has, the second is the effect of punching an alien in the face with a hunk of super powered metal.JourneyThroughHell said:Does it?thingymuwatsit said:it makes sense when your enemies don't typically follow standard human anatomy.JourneyThroughHell said:How often do people both drop dead at an istant after meleeing each other?Ephraim J. Witchwood said:This. Melee is the one thing Reach did right (I know that an assassination is an instant kill in every other Halo, Reach just has the cool animations.).
According to Reach, all the time.
OT: No, I don't have a problem with it. I just thing there should be no lunge.
Do they grapple or something?
Because if they don't, that either means that the impact is severely delayed by the costume or the punch is so difficult that any resistance brings the attacker down as well.
Don't see how it could really make sense.
But you're right, it may boil down to a case of game play and story segregation.
Yes, it's the worst part of Bad Company 2. Why does stabbing me in the chest kill me instantly but several rounds to the face with an automatic shotgun do nothing? It just makes any weapon designed for close range redundant.
I think team fortress 2 did it right. Everyone has a melee weapon, but none do instant kills all of the time. However, there is one class specialized in killing enemies in 1 shot with their melee weapon(the spy). However, there are conditions that have to be met for the 1 shot kill to occur(it has to be a backstab). That particular class, outside of getting 1 shot kills, is not as useful in regular combat as the other classes.
If you want to get OHKO's from melee weapons, I think it should be your specialization.
If you want to get OHKO's from melee weapons, I think it should be your specialization.
Well gun damage isn't that realistic in most games either so thats its more balanced if a shotgun was made realistically then it would be too overpowered and you'd just have shotgun whores running all over the place.
About the insta-kill knives, unless they make it so everybody gets a fair chance at knifing someone and not have it so that every one in ten peoples' knifing randomly flairs off to the left every nine times out of ten. I have yet to encounter insta-kill melee hits though.
About the insta-kill knives, unless they make it so everybody gets a fair chance at knifing someone and not have it so that every one in ten peoples' knifing randomly flairs off to the left every nine times out of ten. I have yet to encounter insta-kill melee hits though.
I like that there's a reliable way to make sure that, in a game where shooting is the default, a close-quarters ambush is rewarding, especially since a shotgun might not always be what you've got equipped. What I don't like is overpowering this. Someone with a gun should beat someone with a knife unless the knife wielder is exceptionally good at what they're doing.
I think that they need to be altered.
Take Counter-Strike as an example - if you run up to someone with your knife, you're going to die. That's a certainty. But, if you get the drop on them and are directly behind them, you can right click for a one-hit kill.
In my opinion, that's as balanced as a one-shot-kill melee attack can be. I think that, in stuff like Call of Duty, it's sort of imbalanced as people can, effectively, take a knife to a gunfight and still win against someone who's already shooting them.
Take Counter-Strike as an example - if you run up to someone with your knife, you're going to die. That's a certainty. But, if you get the drop on them and are directly behind them, you can right click for a one-hit kill.
In my opinion, that's as balanced as a one-shot-kill melee attack can be. I think that, in stuff like Call of Duty, it's sort of imbalanced as people can, effectively, take a knife to a gunfight and still win against someone who's already shooting them.
Well it depends on the game really, in TF2 if melee was always 1 hit kill then there would be no reason not to just rush with the scout + bat, in Call of Duty since everybody is made from damp toilet paper, even if it took two hits with the knife to kill somebody at full health it would be completely useless as you'd be dead. Although I don't like CoD's combination of low health and insane melee range, one hit kill with it still is the best option to make it useful.
I'd Say put in a system like Reach's, where holding the button gives an insta-kill but takes time, allowing a nearby enemy to try save their team mate.
for a frontal assault a GoW style button mash could make melee more of a struggle (as it is my biggest pet-peev online atm) but with latency/lag issues that may be open to more problems than it solves.
for a frontal assault a GoW style button mash could make melee more of a struggle (as it is my biggest pet-peev online atm) but with latency/lag issues that may be open to more problems than it solves.
I like to imagine melee like this, some guy runs around a corner in your face? Knifes not gonna help, or it shouldnt. That should be 2/3 hit kill and attack slowly. However imagine i find a sniper nest. I want to silently take out the oblivious snipers without gunfire, and my weapon is unsilenced. I have all the time in the world to kill them and im behind them. Knife time? Absolutely!gabe12301 said:
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Would you deny the Spy in TF2 his principle method of satisfaction (besides Scout's mum)?
Would you deny the Spy in TF2 his principle method of satisfaction (besides Scout's mum)?