Poll: Do you like Israel?
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I have no problem with the people of Israel, and I believe that after WWII, making a predominantly-Jewish country was entirely necessary. However, I do believe that the government of Israel is...well, sort of a dick to the Palestinians, in my humble opinion.
To be perfectly honest, I don't know enough of the situation to say anything with certainty, but what I do know suggests there's nothing wrong with Israel itself, but the government could treat the Palestinians a lot better.
Oh, and the Israeli military is hilariously awesome. They built liquid-metal-throwing point-defense systems for their tanks.
To be perfectly honest, I don't know enough of the situation to say anything with certainty, but what I do know suggests there's nothing wrong with Israel itself, but the government could treat the Palestinians a lot better.
Oh, and the Israeli military is hilariously awesome. They built liquid-metal-throwing point-defense systems for their tanks.
I've never visited the nation so I can't have a fair opinion, only the opinion I have based on what I've read about in the news and I must say, I do dislike Israel a bit. Whats ironic is that I strongly support neither side in the Israel-Palestine struggle and (in my opinion) Israel is probably a lot more stable, prosperous and pro-West then a independent Palestine would be, whose extremist factions would probably incite violence against the West for allowing Israel to oppress them for so long but I find myself being more sympathetic towards the Palestinians: a modern, highly trained military force with state of the art equipment and technology against what is effectively a civilian milita just seems unfair (yes I know its "evened" out by guriella tactics). Also something I read once: "The Palestinians are paying for what the Nazis did."
Feel free to disregard this as much as you want, I don't claim to be an expert on Middle Eastern affairs.
Feel free to disregard this as much as you want, I don't claim to be an expert on Middle Eastern affairs.
As much as i like the people and think that he country has a right to exist, i can't help but notice parallels between the country's behavior and the actions of Germany througout the 1930's annexing other countries claiming that you have ethnic and historic right to them, or for National Security, the current attitude of appeasement held by the west, Persecution of another people based upon race, he forced relocation, forcing Palestinians to use separate ID's, hell even Gaza City looks more like Warsaw circa 1941. you would think that if there was any country that would learn the value of tolerance and peace, it would be Israel, but it seems that once again the lessons of history are ignored and hindsight is left blind by xenophobia, the current ministration loves to remind the west of their persecution and pulls the victim card to guilt the UN into getting away with this bullshit.
though no side is clean in this,both are dicks and will continue to e dicks until some one forcibly intervenes, though it's hard not to see Israel as the bigger dicks when watching the way some of their supporters react, I've seen a Palestinian friend of mine get harassed because he as telling people about how he was treated like dirt by Israeli Security Forces, even though he lives in the States and has an American Passport, and the person who was harassing him wasn't even from Israel or Jewish, he just believed everything said by Israel without question, and he was rude to, to the point of racism, i was Disgusted by it.
though no side is clean in this,both are dicks and will continue to e dicks until some one forcibly intervenes, though it's hard not to see Israel as the bigger dicks when watching the way some of their supporters react, I've seen a Palestinian friend of mine get harassed because he as telling people about how he was treated like dirt by Israeli Security Forces, even though he lives in the States and has an American Passport, and the person who was harassing him wasn't even from Israel or Jewish, he just believed everything said by Israel without question, and he was rude to, to the point of racism, i was Disgusted by it.
No.
I've read too many newspapers and watched too many news broadcasts to ever view Israel with anything other than cold contempt.
The nicest thing I can say is that I respect them for having the strength to establish themselves and hold on like they have.
I've read too many newspapers and watched too many news broadcasts to ever view Israel with anything other than cold contempt.
The nicest thing I can say is that I respect them for having the strength to establish themselves and hold on like they have.
I'm not going to explain my dislike for Israel's Government, I do think it has some pretty places in it though.
Well, even though the Israelis sorta intruded in Palestina, they have done more than enough to earn their right to stay. They defeated all the muslim countries that attacked them, including Jordania, Egypt and Lybia. And not only did they defend their new country, they also conquered new land. That takes some effort, according to me.
Whilst I understand the premise of Israel's creation, the way they and other countries has gone about it has been, and is, appalling. I don't really care if some UN Resolution did decree that Israel could be a nation - accepting them as a member of the UN straight after the massacre of Deir Yassin and the dispossession of 900,000 Palestinians, who weren't allowed to safely return to their homes, is an abhorrent disregard for human rights, which the UN is supposedly meant to be protecting. And let's face it, the only reason they were accepted was because of their strategic position for western powers to gain an ally in the Middle East, and the West would have felt bad about the whole Holocaust. So their creation was flawed from the beginning.
Add to that their continued disregard for the Palestinians and other Arab nations (ie, the taking of more territory in 1967 and the destruction of Lebanon, just so they could push the PLO further from the area), as well as other horrible things, such as the Sabra Shatila massacre, I don't think that Israel has a right to exist in its current form. I'm not condoning the response of Arab nations (they really didn't give a shit about the Palestinians either), but they were so terrible at warfare, it wasn't funny. I understand that Israel was and is paranoid, being surrounded by enemy nations, but adding wood to a fire isn't going to help their 'plight'. And continually treating the Palestinians like refugees in their own land is so wrong it's not even funny. I'm not surprised the Palestinians and other sects turned to 'terrorism' to get their message across, and to be noticed, since many powers completely ignored them. Assassinating just about every mediator that tries to alleviate some of the tension and conflict doesn't help either.
As I said though, Israel isn't the only one that has been in the wrong, but I'd say that proportionately, they've done worse than any other nation in the area. So, I do think that Israel has some right to exist, but not in its current form.
As far as the culture, area and general people go, I'm sure it's all fine (don't really know much about any of these) - as is with any place.
EDIT: Since the big thing was the Jews going through the Holocaust, how is dispossessing an entire peoples showing any sense of development? You'd think that since they went through some horrible stuff, they'd at least be slightly understanding and cautious not to do the same to another group of people...
Add to that their continued disregard for the Palestinians and other Arab nations (ie, the taking of more territory in 1967 and the destruction of Lebanon, just so they could push the PLO further from the area), as well as other horrible things, such as the Sabra Shatila massacre, I don't think that Israel has a right to exist in its current form. I'm not condoning the response of Arab nations (they really didn't give a shit about the Palestinians either), but they were so terrible at warfare, it wasn't funny. I understand that Israel was and is paranoid, being surrounded by enemy nations, but adding wood to a fire isn't going to help their 'plight'. And continually treating the Palestinians like refugees in their own land is so wrong it's not even funny. I'm not surprised the Palestinians and other sects turned to 'terrorism' to get their message across, and to be noticed, since many powers completely ignored them. Assassinating just about every mediator that tries to alleviate some of the tension and conflict doesn't help either.
As I said though, Israel isn't the only one that has been in the wrong, but I'd say that proportionately, they've done worse than any other nation in the area. So, I do think that Israel has some right to exist, but not in its current form.
As far as the culture, area and general people go, I'm sure it's all fine (don't really know much about any of these) - as is with any place.
EDIT: Since the big thing was the Jews going through the Holocaust, how is dispossessing an entire peoples showing any sense of development? You'd think that since they went through some horrible stuff, they'd at least be slightly understanding and cautious not to do the same to another group of people...
short answer: No
long answer: Israel sucks, first of all they're milking the US hard, I mean ~114 billion dollars has been sent to Israel, that's waaay too much. Secondly Palestine. And thirdly I'm sick and tired of the jewish bullshit about oh the holocaust was so terrible, if anyone says anything bad about us he is a evil nazi etc yet when you look at History, specifically the bible and the genocides that the jewish people did that was all well and good and the people deserved it, I know the holocaust was more recent history but still how about jews SHUT THE FUCK UP for a change.
long answer: Israel sucks, first of all they're milking the US hard, I mean ~114 billion dollars has been sent to Israel, that's waaay too much. Secondly Palestine. And thirdly I'm sick and tired of the jewish bullshit about oh the holocaust was so terrible, if anyone says anything bad about us he is a evil nazi etc yet when you look at History, specifically the bible and the genocides that the jewish people did that was all well and good and the people deserved it, I know the holocaust was more recent history but still how about jews SHUT THE FUCK UP for a change.
Damn, stop making these posts without explaining yourself.cainx10a said:
Not only you but the others that think the same and are too lazy or don't even know how to discuss the manner, they just throw accusations.
Ha! Gotta love world news about Israel.Zhukov said:
Now consider I live in Israel I know so much I don't like whether it's political or otherwise but I'll keep it objective and I won't be mentioning certain irrelevant stuff.
No, there's nothing here to like. Israel doesn't offer anything to tourists (unless you're a religious fanatic) since pretty much all we got are 'holy' sites. Israel doesn't have any exclusive product or a certain specialty that you can't get the same or better in other countries.
Oh, the people are horrible. That's not just a stigma, they are just terrible, loud and obnoxious.
So I voted that I support it. In an ideal world, I wouldn't support it or any other country with a religious government but this isn't an ideal world, so I believe every religion should have a right to exist in it's own country.
I won't bother commenting on the "Let's hate on Israel because this is what I saw in the news" posts because this is quite pathetic. Go watch some real news. Watch a video of a Palestinian instructing kids to rub their faces with blood and lie on the floor while the 'reporter' films them and says that the IDF has killed dozens on children. This is the basic -fact- that the world is not aware of. There are many, many more. Some are even more shocking but you got Internet, look it up yourself.
God damn it, I wanted this to be a 2 lines post.
By that logic you the Americans shout SHUT THE FUCK UP since you massacred and killed thousands of native americans when you got here.6037084 said:
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That wasn't in the bible.
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Your post is ludicrous. You don't even explain the Palastain issue, talk about how srael is a money sink - You keep ARMY BASES IN TAJIKISTAN. You give money to LEBANON among other countries, not only Israel. You give money to Palestine too!
What about those? What about the military bases is Cuwait? You have plenty of expenses abroad, Israel isn't the only or the largest money sink you have. Damn it, stop listening without trying to learn the truth yourself.
I like Israel. Judea and Samaria, which Israel controls, I have the same opinion of as Apartheid South Africa. So just a little bit of tension there.
The Levant is one of those places that is too tangled up to have insane national and state borders imposed upon it. I'd like to visit the Holy Land, but all that barbed wire and military frontier really sucks.
The Levant is one of those places that is too tangled up to have insane national and state borders imposed upon it. I'd like to visit the Holy Land, but all that barbed wire and military frontier really sucks.
What about the fact that the refugee crisis came from the Arab leaders warning local Muslims to flee the country so that they wouldn't be caught in the cross-fire. When Israel WASN'T Destroyed as planned, they had only themselves to blame.Bunnymarn said: