Poll: Do you like Israel?
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To this day the Oslo treaties are a piece of paper. The only thing present from the piece of paper are the security arrangements.Bunnymarn said:
Why don't you support the founding of Israel?Gardenia said:
There was a nationalistic movement (Zionism) like any other that wanted for the Jews to be a nationality and have a home, a country.
In that case you shouldn't be supporting either side.stefanbertramlee said:
Whoever started it, nothing is going to be solved by either side firing missiles randomly into each others countries.
If Israel want's to act like the mature, cool headed seat of democracy of the Middle East they can start by only targeting Hamas militants and not the people of Palestine. Revenge attacks justified or not won't endear them towards anyone.
Walking out on peace talks also makes them look like dicks.
I don't support anyone who acts like a child. That seems to be everyone in the Middle East (including Israel) right now.
What also pisses me off is that every time someone says something against them it's all suddenly anti-semitic and we should be ashamed for picking on the Jews, remember that thing that happened when none of us were alive? Yeah!
Other than that I like a lot of Israeli people, they have a beautiful country and I refuse to get involved in the "right to exist" argument.
So solve your bullshit politics and I'm happy.
It;s not funny because you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the topic of Israel and "palestine".6037084 said:
The refugee was both the fault of the Arabs and Israel. The Israelis shouldn't have dispossessed them to such a large degree in the first place and the Arabs shouldn't have juggled the refugees around like a hot potato. Not allowing them to return to their homes was the fault of the Israelis.TheIronRuler said:
Do you know how f*cking difficult it is to spot a militant in a group of civilians?Bobzer77 said:
They use houses, hospitals and schools as launch sites for their rockets. They want us to not attack them. They dress like civis... how can you spot them?
They use their civilian population as cover.
Homes?Bunnymarn said:
Why do you think they wanted to return to the land of the Jews?
They tried AGAIN to take down Israel, three more wars to put it out. They failed.
The redugee problem grew.
Israel didn't want them because it was convenient. It couldn't provide for them all and it would have made the democratic voters balance a problem.
Do you think that at first they wanted to return to the land of the Jews? They were told horror stories about Israel killing and enslaving them all, making matzas out of their blood.
The Arabs that live here, about 1.25 million or so live here just fine. They benefit from living in a democratic country with welfare, while their brothers are stuck in Jordon, a monarchy, Lebanon - a giant clusterfuck, Egypt - which can't get on its feet and elect a leader since it's high on political rallies... the list goes on.
That's wrong too. You think that because of the number of casualties, but what other force had to deal with what the IDF is dealing right now?Bobzer77 said:
None of the points you just made, to me justify taking someone eles land. they chose someone elses land cause it had religious meaning to them. that land as far as i know has meaning to every major monotheistic religion in the world.TheIronRuler said:
the land may not have had any infastructure but it belonged to someone else. so can i go in and claim any empty land i want?
Anyway it jsut seems to me they could have been given a better homeland. i have no problem with them having a homeland but where they chose seems to ruffle to many feathers. couldnt they have been given an area in the UK or the US?
I know almost nothing about what's going on with Israel and Palestine, but the things I know about Israel and the people I've met from there are awesome. So yeah, I'm a fan.
I'd like to visit Jerusalem (being Christian and all) and just be there.
It's be crazy to be there I think. Similar to being in super historically significant buildings, of which I'm also a fan.
I'd like to visit Jerusalem (being Christian and all) and just be there.
It's be crazy to be there I think. Similar to being in super historically significant buildings, of which I'm also a fan.
in kindergarten if two kids can't a share a toy they take it away
so lets take the land they're fighting over and give it that nice
well mannered student north Korea I'm sure they'll make the
most of it -_-
so lets take the land they're fighting over and give it that nice
well mannered student north Korea I'm sure they'll make the
most of it -_-
I do want to say something about the Rabin assassination.Bunnymarn said:
The rabbies that incited the public against him were never judged.
Comparing that to how the police is over-compensating now and getting great rabbies locked up and questioned whenever the smallest thing arises, I think that it was intentional.
Disgusting, but it's here to show us that words can kill.
Israel has a memorial day for him every year.
I was talking about the Palestinian refugees. If there is another large group of Arab refugees, I can't comment on that, since I don't know anything about it.TheIronRuler said:
And in terms of your post to someone about nationalism - why on earth would you support nationalism? It's just a dangerous concept that is used to manipulate people. The only legitimate use for it is to inspire pride, but that invariably becomes excessive.
I'm of arabic origin but I'd like you to hear me out.
As a concept, I'm extremely against the idea of taking a chunk of land and giving it to a religious group. That's like if the USA game Mormons half of Norway; no way I would stand for that. They are welcome to travel to norway and become immigrants then later become a part of the norwegian society, but to simply take the land from the current rightful owners is something I'm against.
As for the people, they are people like everyone else. I cannot say I've ever met an Israeli, my mother used to work with one. She is from Iraq and so is her culture (unlike me) so I was both surprised and proud to hear that she actually got along with him pretty damn fine. As a conclusion for the people part; they're like everyone else. Flawd yet flawless in their own way.
I despise the government, though. With all the jews has gone through, you'd think they would treat others better than the way the Nazi treated them, but nooo~.
For me becoming friend with an Israeli would depend on his personality, like any other nationality. A good part of being a minority is realising how silly racism really is, lol.
As a concept, I'm extremely against the idea of taking a chunk of land and giving it to a religious group. That's like if the USA game Mormons half of Norway; no way I would stand for that. They are welcome to travel to norway and become immigrants then later become a part of the norwegian society, but to simply take the land from the current rightful owners is something I'm against.
As for the people, they are people like everyone else. I cannot say I've ever met an Israeli, my mother used to work with one. She is from Iraq and so is her culture (unlike me) so I was both surprised and proud to hear that she actually got along with him pretty damn fine. As a conclusion for the people part; they're like everyone else. Flawd yet flawless in their own way.
I despise the government, though. With all the jews has gone through, you'd think they would treat others better than the way the Nazi treated them, but nooo~.
For me becoming friend with an Israeli would depend on his personality, like any other nationality. A good part of being a minority is realising how silly racism really is, lol.
well as far as I know it, it went something like this, the land of current day israel was owned by the british but mostly palestinians lived there then came zionism and a jews started going there en masse later the british etc decided to divide the country between the jews and the palestinians, the jews quickly declared independence and started their own country while the palestinians were like "fuck that shit we've lived here for a long time what right do they have to start a country here", then things got complex and a bunch of wars were fought and israel won all of them, now palestinians do want their own country but the jews don't want them to have oneTheIronRuler said:
and thats what I learned in history class, ofcourse I could be 100% wrong and it could have all been a conspiracy by lizard people to start a bunch of wars and entertain themselves but I don't have time to look it up