Poll: Dog Torture vs. Rapist

[AgDr_ODST]

Yes he should be allowed to be on the cover, he's a great athlete and thats what this whole vote thing is about but in terms of Vick as a person and his actions....Hell No fuck that guy!!!

 

[BarbaricGoose]

Terrible people make it to the covers of these games, but it's not the content of their character that matters, it's their sports ability.

Let's say there was a game about managing a work force... would you put Hitler on the cover? Cause ya gotta admit, he did GREAT in that department. I mean, think of what he almost accomplished. Pretty incredible. His ability as a motivator and a leader are matched only by, say Alexander. Obviously, Alexander the Great would be on the first cover, but right behind him--Hitler.

I don't like comparing things to Hitler, but I just thought this was too good to pass up. And I just don't get how people can say things like:

None of those things should have any bearing AT ALL on his status as a sports player.

Does morality hold no value? Why reward an asshole undeserving of respect? If Vick committed only minor offences, I'd be fine with him on the cover. I could overlook little things like petty theft, pot possession, and maybe even assault and/or battery if the victim was alright. Take Michael Phelps, for instance. He seems like a good guy, and he's a damn good athlete. I don't think he deserved all the flak he got for the drug possession, and if there was a swimming franchise or something, I'd vote for him to be the cover athlete. If, however, he raped or murdered someone, there's no fucking way I'd want him rewarded for that.

I gotta go back to the Hitler thing again. If you truly believe what you say, then you should have no problem with Hitler being on the cover of, we'll say, Generic Sports-esque Game About Leadership 2k12. Based solely on his abilities as a leader he's an excellent candidate for the... cover commander. BUT, can you overlook the fact that he brutally massacred, you know, 6 million people? See, I couldn't do that. And I'm not willing to overlook the fact that Michael Vick is a total scumbag just because he's, as Bob said, "Pretty good at throwing and catching a ball."

This all turned out slightly more comedic than I'd anticipated, especially that last paragraph. But I implore you, read it in a serious voice, with a super-serious face.

 

[Grey_Focks]

Nope, totally serious.

Yeah, rape's bad, probably the most traumatic thing most people who experience have ever gone through.

They didn't die and weren't forced to kill other people.

...So then, I take it you consider a dog's life to be equal to that of a human's life? Alright, I give, this thread has me tired out. I won't try to convince you that a person's life is worth more, but I will say I personally believe (along with the majority of people on this planet) that a human life is the most precious thing there is, and that while I love dogs, and I would certainly be upset if my dog was brutally killed, I have no delusions that the two crimes are even in the same ballpark. I now bid you a good night.

 

[SageRuffin]

I say no.

Why? Because he was already on the cover of Madden once before. Why have him on the cover twice? I don't watch football unless it involves the Ravens, so I can't think of anyone else suitable for the cover.

Yes, I'm deliberately avoiding the core topic at hand. I'm not gonna get caught up in this maelstrom.

 

[gamer_parent]

Am I the only one who thinks that the person adorning the game cover should at least be known as an upstanding citizen first? I mean, yeah, I get it, if we make ethical character a standard the only people we'd have left from the roster to put on the cover would be the towel boy, but am I the only one who thinks this is part of the larger issue?

 

[AquaAscension]

None of those things should have any bearing AT ALL on his status as a sports player. Terrible people make it to the covers of these games, but it's not the content of their character that matters, it's their sports ability.

Yeah... uhhh, this...

Please, for the love of god, I hope you're being ironic/sarcastic here. Touche if yes. And, well... so many things wrong if no.

On topic: you're right, terrible things have been done by sports people/people in the sports world (as my grammar is slipping I notice I'm sleepy, withered). However, the devilishness of one act ought not to excuse the slightly lesser or worse acts of another. That's kind of like defending Stalin by saying, "Hey man, at least that douche wasn't Hitler." Or, slightly more analogous: "Hey man, you shouldn't hate so much on Hitler because he really only persecuted the Jews." Wrong, so very, very wrong on both counts. Granted, in this case one is dogs and one is people, and it is incredibly difficult to draw a line that will stay purely white or black, unspotted, so to speak, with the staining grey tones the world loves to throw. But I suppose here's one: According to our criminal justice system, the facts stacked up against Vick. He was convicted and sentenced for his crimes. He is guilty. Kobe was acquitted. Is the U.S. criminal justice system a good enough judge of right/wrong? Perhaps not, yet it is the one thing that seems to be different in these two cases.

Oh, sorry one last thing directed towards the original poster: I cannot stand when people try to answer an argument with a question that seems relevent but really, really isn't. So what are your reasons for Vick being Maddenized? This discussion cannot advance forward with only empty questions consisting of "Why did" or "Why didn'ts" - it can only be moved forward even the tiniest bit by examining our reasoning, assessing our biases, and attempting to discern a place from which we can settle, proud in our understanding of something close to truth.

 

[Hairetos]

Nope, totally serious.

Yeah, rape's bad, probably the most traumatic thing most people who experience have ever gone through.

They didn't die and weren't forced to kill other people.

...So then, I take it you consider a dog's life to be equal to that of a human's life? Alright, I give, this thread has me tired out. I won't try to convince you that a person's life is worth more, but I will say I personally believe (along with the majority of people on this planet) that a human life is the most precious thing there is, and that while I love dogs, and I would certainly be upset if my dog was brutally killed, I have no delusions that the two crimes are even in the same ballpark. I now bid you a good night.

Nice bias brah.

Life is life, why are we special? One carbon-based lifeform is more valuable than another?

Yeah, callin' bullshit there.

 

[Xan Krieger]

Forced someone to have sex with him

Fight dogs til they die.

Yeah, even if Kobe were convicted, the animal abuse here is much worse.

Please, PLEASE tell me that you're being sarcastic, or trolling, or whatever the kids call it these days. If not, then I'm sorry, but you have a fucked up set of ideals.

Nope, totally serious.

Yeah, rape's bad, probably the most traumatic thing most people who experience have ever gone through.

They didn't die and weren't forced to kill other people.

Agreed 100%
Can't understand how people consider rape worst than having gladitorial style battles to the death for your own entertainment.
And I know someone is gonna ask me if I'm serious, yes indeed I am and I would question if someone was serious if they said rape was worse.

 

[zehydra]

None of those things should have any bearing AT ALL on his status as a sports player. Terrible people make it to the covers of these games, but it's not the content of their character that matters, it's their sports ability.

Yeah... uhhh, this...

Please, for the love of god, I hope you're being ironic/sarcastic here. Touche if yes. And, well... so many things wrong if no.

On topic: you're right, terrible things have been done by sports people/people in the sports world (as my grammar is slipping I notice I'm sleepy, withered). However, the devilishness of one act ought not to excuse the slightly lesser or worse acts of another. That's kind of like defending Stalin by saying, "Hey man, at least that douche wasn't Hitler." Or, slightly more analogous: "Hey man, you shouldn't hate so much on Hitler because he really only persecuted the Jews." Wrong, so very, very wrong on both counts. Granted, in this case one is dogs and one is people, and it is incredibly difficult to draw a line that will stay purely white or black, unspotted, so to speak, with the staining grey tones the world loves to throw. But I suppose here's one: According to our criminal justice system, the facts stacked up against Vick. He was convicted and sentenced for his crimes. He is guilty. Kobe was acquitted. Is the U.S. criminal justice system a good enough judge of right/wrong? Perhaps not, yet it is the one thing that seems to be different in these two cases.

Oh, sorry one last thing directed towards the original poster: I cannot stand when people try to answer an argument with a question that seems relevent but really, really isn't. So what are your reasons for Vick being Maddenized? This discussion cannot advance forward with only empty questions consisting of "Why did" or "Why didn'ts" - it can only be moved forward even the tiniest bit by examining our reasoning, assessing our biases, and attempting to discern a place from which we can settle, proud in our understanding of something close to truth.

no, I wasn't being sarcastic. But when I said that "but it's not the content of their character that matters, it's their sports ability." I meant for the cover of the game's box, not for life in general.

 

[aashell13]

where I'm from, we used to hang rapists. if they didn't get shot first, that is.

both are really bad. I'm not fond of either of these guys, and people like them are a big part of the reason that I have no use for sports in general. Also, where was I when the Kobe case went down? playing KOTOR, most likely. love that series. Never played sports games, have no desire to start now, mostly for reasons very eloquently outlined by MovieBob earlier today.

 

[Grey_Focks]

Agreed 100%
Can't understand how people consider rape worst than having gladitorial style battles to the death for your own entertainment.
And I know someone is gonna ask me if I'm serious, yes indeed I am and I would question if someone was serious if they said rape was worse.

Nice bias brah.

Life is life, why are we special? One carbon-based lifeform is more valuable than another?

Yeah, callin' bullshit there.

Oh give it a rest. If you two can't tell the difference between a pet, and a person with hopes, dreams, aspirations and awareness of mortality, then this discussion is pointless, since there is just no conceivable way this will lead to anything but flaming and pointless bickering. Now I bid you both good night, and I'd thank you to not quote me and just drop it, as I really think there is just no point in this conversation, and I don't want to derail this thread anymore than we already have.

 

[Hairetos]

Agreed 100%
Can't understand how people consider rape worst than having gladitorial style battles to the death for your own entertainment.
And I know someone is gonna ask me if I'm serious, yes indeed I am and I would question if someone was serious if they said rape was worse.

Nice bias brah.

Life is life, why are we special? One carbon-based lifeform is more valuable than another?

Yeah, callin' bullshit there.

Oh give it a rest. If you two can't tell the difference between a pet, and a person with hopes, dreams, aspirations and awareness of mortality, then this discussion is pointless, since there is just no conceivable way this will lead to anything but flaming and pointless bickering. Now I bid you both good night, and I'd thank you to not quote me and just drop it, as I really think there is just no point in this conversation, and I don't want to derail this thread anymore than we already have.

First off, dogs have pretty much the same emotional gamut as people do, are definitely aware of mortality.

Second off, stop quoting me and then asking me not to quote you back. You pretty much say: "Ya, ur wrong, but I don't wanna talk about it anymore". If you want the conversation to end, you can stop talking. I have no issue continuing the argument, so I will.

 

[mikespoff]

What, apparently I'm not allowed to hate both those fuckers? :|

This.

The poll isn't about Dog Torture vs. Rape, it's actually saying:

"Since rape is OK, should we be happy with dog torture too?"

I disagree with the first part of that proposition, so the second part doesn't work.

 

[mikespoff]

First off, dogs have pretty much the same emotional gamut as people do, are definitely aware of mortality.

No, they don't.

And no, they aren't.

 

[Hairetos]

First off, dogs have pretty much the same emotional gamut as people do, are definitely aware of mortality.

No, they don't.

And no, they aren't.

Happiness, sadness, jealousy, self-preservation, desire, etc. Mostly the same shit.

And yes, dogs are aware that they can die, hence the whole "self-preservation" thing.

 

[Laxman9292]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers'

Please tell, how many rapists and chimos do you know?

OT: I think that it's EA's game, and they can put whoever they want on the cover. I think that if they decide to use purely their talent at the sport, then that's fine. I also think that if they take into account that person's character, then that's also fine. Personally, I don't care that he did that in regards to him being on the cover of a game that I will not buy. If people are so offended by him being on the cover, speak with your wallet and don't buy the game. I work in a retail store and every day I see customers speak with their wallet, either for or against a product. You would be surprised the message that can be received when we haven't sold a single pair of shoes for any given style.

Especially if they're Michael Vick shoes with a picture of a dog next to a boxing glove. Cause he likes boxing and.... uhh dogs?

http://i31.tinypic.com/14o86g.jpg (The image tag isn't working for some reason, anyone wanna tell me why?)

 

[Finebrew]

Vick is scum for what he did but too be fair he served his time.

 

[thedeathscythe]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers'

Please tell, how many rapists and chimos do you know?

OT: I think that it's EA's game, and they can put whoever they want on the cover. I think that if they decide to use purely their talent at the sport, then that's fine. I also think that if they take into account that person's character, then that's also fine. Personally, I don't care that he did that in regards to him being on the cover of a game that I will not buy. If people are so offended by him being on the cover, speak with your wallet and don't buy the game. I work in a retail store and every day I see customers speak with their wallet, either for or against a product. You would be surprised the message that can be received when we haven't sold a single pair of shoes for any given style.

Especially if they're Michael Vick shoes with a picture of a dog next to a boxing glove. Cause he likes boxing and.... uhh dogs?

http://i31.tinypic.com/14o86g.jpg (The image tag isn't working for some reason, anyone wanna tell me why?)

HOW DID YOU FIND THAT AND HOW DID YOU FIND MY POST AND MAKE IT FIT SO WELL?!?!

You sir, just blew my mind. Please, although I am male, let me bear your children.

 

[Laxman9292]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers'

Please tell, how many rapists and chimos do you know?

OT: I think that it's EA's game, and they can put whoever they want on the cover. I think that if they decide to use purely their talent at the sport, then that's fine. I also think that if they take into account that person's character, then that's also fine. Personally, I don't care that he did that in regards to him being on the cover of a game that I will not buy. If people are so offended by him being on the cover, speak with your wallet and don't buy the game. I work in a retail store and every day I see customers speak with their wallet, either for or against a product. You would be surprised the message that can be received when we haven't sold a single pair of shoes for any given style.

Especially if they're Michael Vick shoes with a picture of a dog next to a boxing glove. Cause he likes boxing and.... uhh dogs?

http://i31.tinypic.com/14o86g.jpg (The image tag isn't working for some reason, anyone wanna tell me why?)

HOW DID YOU FIND THAT AND HOW DID YOU FIND MY POST AND MAKE IT FIT SO WELL?!?!

You sir, just blew my mind. Please, although I am male, let me bear your children.

Hahaha glad to do my part. I saw it and just had to share that, it was too perfect.

 

[tjdavids]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers' Most of the people in prison/jail tend to not even consider animal abuse a 'crime' and think of it as a way for the 'man' to keep certain cultures down.

It's very weird. Every criminal thinks there is some other criminal worse than them.

Also most forms of sexual assault yield longer prison terms than most forms of animal abuse.

off topic maybe, but wouldn't the natural human response be to explain things that do not help him/herself as an action dis inclined. but an action previously committed as justifiable,
sorry I'm working off of animal behavior in conscious organisms rather than psych, but it's all I know.