Poll: East vs. West: RPGs
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Except that gameplay wise... JRPGs are even MORE number based, it's just hidden behind one big number... how many hours you're willing to grind.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:Much appreciated. Good choice of avatar by the way-Seraph- said:
I'd like to find where you are, carve the name "Namco: Tales studio" on a large piece of styrofoam, and throw it at you.Bullfrog1983 said:
...actually, that's really mean. I'd hand it to you, instead.
I'm glad someone more eloquent than me came along and said something like that.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
And because they're hidden, the numbers therefore don't get in the way.Archaeology Hat said:Except that gameplay wise... JRPGs are even MORE number based, it's just hidden behind one big number... how many hours you're willing to grind.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:Much appreciated. Good choice of avatar by the way-Seraph- said:
Nope, we're bias against bad stories, bad story telling, and rail-road gaming. No offence, I just get annoyed when people say Yahtzee's controlling our minds - holds about as much water as the 'games train us to murder' argument.Gladion said:I wouldn't be surprised if many people here were biased because of Yahtzee. Meh, I wouldn't ask that question here
Erm, man or woman?NeutralDrow said:mwmorph said:mwmorph said:[http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalfantasyviiadventchr.jpg]
^This is what's wrong with JRPGs
^This is what's right with JRPGs.
One of them, at least. <url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giA0h4OXT6g>This helps.
<url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtCiP8B2xpc&feature=related>Does it matter?Doug said:Erm, man or woman?NeutralDrow said:mwmorph said:mwmorph said:[http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalfantasyviiadventchr.jpg]
^This is what's wrong with JRPGs
^This is what's right with JRPGs.
One of them, at least. <url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giA0h4OXT6g>This helps.
Erm, yeah. Wasn't all that impressed with the video, to be honest.NeutralDrow said:<url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtCiP8B2xpc&feature=related>Does it matter?Doug said:Erm, man or woman?NeutralDrow said:mwmorph said:mwmorph said:[http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalfantasyviiadventchr.jpg]
^This is what's wrong with JRPGs
^This is what's right with JRPGs.
One of them, at least. <url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giA0h4OXT6g>This helps.
How more impressive? Just tells me the JRPG fans just like generic sexually ambigous characters. And meh, technically no, but its certainly something bizzare about JRPGs. Why the obsession with underage lady-boys? And come to look at the drawing again, what's he doing with his hand?!NeutralDrow said:
This has always bugged me for some reason. WHY is pokemon the exception to the whole turn based combat!? why is it acceptable for pokemon to be turn based but not other games!? It just doesnt make any sense and is just so hypocritical. Sorry I am not trying to be a jerk or anything, it just baffles me that there are some turn based haters out there, but tolerate pokemon for it.Puppet M. said:
I love RPGs, both west and east, but I'm trying to decide which I love more and why. And I do have problems considering some games as RPGs because they either focus too much on action (i.e. mindless clicking of Diablo, which is one of my favorite games by the way) or strategy (i.e. Ogre Tactics, another beloved game from my past.)
Over-all, there's been a lot of productive input for both sides, but there's also been a lot of ignorance portrayed. I think there's too many people who are too condemning of a game-type they haven't really tried. But there have also been a lot of negative things stated concerning the over-all of both sides I'd also have to agree with. Which just helps to make the original question more thought provoking.
Thank you to everyone who's given actual criticism and not just mindless crap.
Oh, and yeah I was just giving a "few" examples. I could have spent all day listing series but I didn't have all day so I just listed what popped in my head at the time. I did like KotOR and NWN and Fallout, though I do have to admit I haven't played Mass Effect yet. Waiting till I've finished Fallout 3 for the third time, this time as true-neutral (hard since you actually have to worry about Karma.)
Over-all, there's been a lot of productive input for both sides, but there's also been a lot of ignorance portrayed. I think there's too many people who are too condemning of a game-type they haven't really tried. But there have also been a lot of negative things stated concerning the over-all of both sides I'd also have to agree with. Which just helps to make the original question more thought provoking.
Thank you to everyone who's given actual criticism and not just mindless crap.
Oh, and yeah I was just giving a "few" examples. I could have spent all day listing series but I didn't have all day so I just listed what popped in my head at the time. I did like KotOR and NWN and Fallout, though I do have to admit I haven't played Mass Effect yet. Waiting till I've finished Fallout 3 for the third time, this time as true-neutral (hard since you actually have to worry about Karma.)
Yep. The androgynous middle-aged snarky badass is just so generic. He's just like that Cloud idiot from those other games! JRPGs, I tells ya...Doug said:
I'll grant the drawing isn't obvious on one thing, though: he's summoning a spear.
Because its something alot of people were into when they were kids, wee nippers of 10-14. Myself included. It has nostalgia value. Nostalgia can make even the most hateful members of one of the Western RPG or JRPG ships occasionally play something that they would otherwise hate. It is however the perfect example of everything thats wrong with JRPGs from a gameplay, perspective. The story is silly, and hardly the best, but its a kiddy game so we'll ignore it for now.-Seraph- said:
Pokemon has exactly the kind of Turn based system that riles up people who dislike JRPGs. The turn based system of Fallouts 1+2 or Civilization normally isnt that big an issue. The problem with the "Final Fantasy" combat system is that well... basically it's past its sell by date. It is boring. It was fun back in the late 90s and very early 00s... but now it is boring, you're limited for choice and turns the 90% of "trash" fights that most RPGs utilise into an awful bore.
Secondly, taking an old TV tropes example:
One Troper who owned both Ruby and Emerald played one legitimatly and played the other cheating using a cheat to rare-candy up their party rather than grind. The latter approach HALVED the time it took to complete the game. Which means they spent 20+ hours doing only grinding in the legitimate game, with the remaining 20 hours being taken to do things like... the story and various "sidequests".
Personally, I prefer Japanese RPGs. While I do like the fact that Western RPGs give you so much choice, most of the time the base gameplay is so boring that I find it extremely hard to care. I've only enjoyed 3 western RPGs so far since I had gotten into RPGs(about 6 months ago), yet in that same amount of time, I've enjoyed over 20 different JRPGs...and yet I have absolutely no idea what it is that I like about them.