Poll: Father in rural Germany finds his young son likes to wear dresses; does the same to show solidarity.
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Bottom line is, that boy wearing a dress doesn't hurt anyone and doesn't offend anyone so it's no one's business but his because whether or not he wears a dress because it's his life to live and no one else's. I congratulate the father for making the brave choice that will most likely get him socially ostracised.
I don't think I've commented on the actual subject yet so I will now:
The kid is 5 years old, it doesn't need to be making it's own decisions because 5 years olds are stupid. Like, more close to primate-intelligence than human-intelligence stupid. You let your 5 year old kid do what they want just because 'you don't want to suffocate his emotional growth'. Like someone else already said: this seems more about the father being more than happy to embrace his sons decision instead of being some actual revolutionary way of parenting. Kids need boundaries, kids need structure and kids need rules. When he's 16 (or 18, or 21 or moved out or whatever arbitrary standard applies) then by all means: if he wants to wear a dress let him. But he's fucking 5, the intricacies of tying shoelaces is probably the height of his intellectual capacity pertaining clothing. The kid will get bullied because he's dumb as fuck dad wanted 'to let his son express himself'. KIDS OF 5 YEARS OLD DO NOT EXPRESS THEMSELVES, THEY ONLY EMULATE. He could've seen a dress on a TV-show, he could've seen his mother wear one, he could've seen White Chicks and thought wearing dresses was hilarious (I think White Chicks was targeted for the 3-10 age category right? Certainly seemed that way). In any case, in 2 weeks he's probably bored of dresses and moves on to a complete adoration of swingsets or firetrucks or (more likely) playing CoD all day, learning even more profanities then he's learned on the playground after his brief encounter with the complex social and psychological and controversial topic of crossdressing.
Bottomline: as long as your kid's higher mental functioning going into full load makes it operate on the level of a smart chimp you do not let them make any of their own decisions. Not about their bedtime, not about their dinner and not about controversial social fucking issues. When their older, sure, IDGAF then it's their life but fuck you mister German for ruining your kids elementary (and possibly more) life because you had to make a political statement.
The kid is 5 years old, it doesn't need to be making it's own decisions because 5 years olds are stupid. Like, more close to primate-intelligence than human-intelligence stupid. You let your 5 year old kid do what they want just because 'you don't want to suffocate his emotional growth'. Like someone else already said: this seems more about the father being more than happy to embrace his sons decision instead of being some actual revolutionary way of parenting. Kids need boundaries, kids need structure and kids need rules. When he's 16 (or 18, or 21 or moved out or whatever arbitrary standard applies) then by all means: if he wants to wear a dress let him. But he's fucking 5, the intricacies of tying shoelaces is probably the height of his intellectual capacity pertaining clothing. The kid will get bullied because he's dumb as fuck dad wanted 'to let his son express himself'. KIDS OF 5 YEARS OLD DO NOT EXPRESS THEMSELVES, THEY ONLY EMULATE. He could've seen a dress on a TV-show, he could've seen his mother wear one, he could've seen White Chicks and thought wearing dresses was hilarious (I think White Chicks was targeted for the 3-10 age category right? Certainly seemed that way). In any case, in 2 weeks he's probably bored of dresses and moves on to a complete adoration of swingsets or firetrucks or (more likely) playing CoD all day, learning even more profanities then he's learned on the playground after his brief encounter with the complex social and psychological and controversial topic of crossdressing.
Bottomline: as long as your kid's higher mental functioning going into full load makes it operate on the level of a smart chimp you do not let them make any of their own decisions. Not about their bedtime, not about their dinner and not about controversial social fucking issues. When their older, sure, IDGAF then it's their life but fuck you mister German for ruining your kids elementary (and possibly more) life because you had to make a political statement.
the kid's only 5, he doesn't know the difference between women and men. he probably just thinks it's a fun novelty. i'm sure he'll grow out of it eventually, and if not, then i'm not really one to judge cos I've never worn one. maybe those dresses are really comfortable, and us guys just don't know it. i might have to try that hypothesis out...in private.
Hmm I think this story has more to do with a fathers role in a child's life rather than weather someone would support a 5 year old child's choice of clothing. If it was a fathers role to do nothing but sit by and openly support a child's decisions then all the father is really doing is sheltering the child from the reality of the real world. If he has an open dialog with his son about the different repercussions and society's views on deciding to wear a dress then it will allow the child to grow and learn but joining in seems more like blind support, he is making it seem way more accepted than the rest of the world views it and the boy is not going to have his father there forever and when the reality of it sets in its going to set in that much harder. As far as breaking down gender roles...I don't have a problem with it.
Also the boy is 5 and there is a lot that is not known from the article so we don't know why the boy made this decision and may just grow out of it...plus its just cloths anyway.
EDIT: As a side note, based on the fathers quote is he doing this for the child's benefit or forcing his own ideals to satisfy his politically correct ego? May be another case of "look at me"
Also the boy is 5 and there is a lot that is not known from the article so we don't know why the boy made this decision and may just grow out of it...plus its just cloths anyway.
EDIT: As a side note, based on the fathers quote is he doing this for the child's benefit or forcing his own ideals to satisfy his politically correct ego? May be another case of "look at me"
People who arent strong are not stupid. But then you claim not a single person with intellectual merit wouldnt be strong. Which is absurd. I could go down to the local hospital and university labs and find many specialists who are brilliant at the field they work in and save hundreds of lives. By your definition these people wouldnt have any intellectual merit. I mean by your logic if we lined up people in strength order we would find smartest on the left and least smart on the left in descending order. This is obviously untrue.JeffBergGold said:
While I agree a disciplined mind would usually speak of a well toned body i wouldnt say intelligence is even remotely linked to physical strength. Amazingly the amount of nobel prize body builders is rather low. A disciplined mind will want a good body. A brilliant mind wont care. One is far better in the field of science than the other. Also if youre working on perfection arrogance is most certainly a place to start. Also get yourself one of these using all that intellectual merit you have going.
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/all/
Have a google of the names. Most of them are of average build.
By your logic these people have little intellectual merit. Interesting. Id love to watch you destroy them in intellectual debate and show them how to cure cancer and sequence the human genome with your bulging muscles. I really would. I mean by your logic the strongest man on earth has the most intellectual merit because he can best anyone in a physical contest.
Do you have issue taking your doctor seriously if he couldnt beat you in a physical contest? Would you let a physically weaker surgeon treat you?
I think the woman/relationships/control thing was a misunderstanding. I agree with you there.
Many find arrogance (overwhelming arrogance) to be the greatest character flaw a person can have. A false sense of superiority makes someone almost unbearable to talk to and be around. Its as weird to look down on someone and lose respect for them due to a physical attribute like strength as it is to do so for pubic hair colour. If i lined up everyone ive ever known and assigned respect/friendship to the strongest id have VERY different inferior friends in my book. It would be sad to miss out on knowing such extraordinary people just because of my random physical preferences.
Part of me just thinks this is a waste of time. Youre not going to take my arguements seriously unless they are presented by someone who is physically strong. Since ive already told you this isnt the case you probably wont even consider thinking about the points im making. If i go down to the gym and get someone to write this for me will you pay attention?
I do find your outlook to constantly better yourself admirable though even if it does instill a false sense of superiority over your fellow man. Part of me has resolved to try this outlook myself and actually get down the gym to better myself. Ill avoid the arrogance though. My head will never be swollen enough to think that those who disagree with me on the state my body should be in are inherently inferior people. Ill resolve to be like you minus that huge flaw. Like a Jeff 2.0.
Father is a boss. The clothes that men and women wear are totally arbitrary, their's no reason to stop him from doing what he wants.
Anyone who'd hate on him for wearing it is wrong.
Anyone who'd hate on him for wearing it is wrong.
So it's okay for a father to let his 5 year old son wear dresses and not conform to society's views about what a man should be, and mostly everyone here is okay with it.
Yet an entire group of men watch a show (which shall not be mentioned to avoid thread derail but you know the one I mean) that goes against everything society says guys should watch, and half the internet hates us for it.
Yeah, I'm aware they aren't exactly the same thing, but they are similar.
Anyway, good for the father letting his son do that. We need less restrictions on gender roles, not more.
Yet an entire group of men watch a show (which shall not be mentioned to avoid thread derail but you know the one I mean) that goes against everything society says guys should watch, and half the internet hates us for it.
Yeah, I'm aware they aren't exactly the same thing, but they are similar.
Anyway, good for the father letting his son do that. We need less restrictions on gender roles, not more.
I'd certainly let my (incredibly unlikely) son wear dresses if he really wants to. I wouldn't wear them myself since I don't really like them, but whatever.
If he was very young then it's probably just a phase that he's going through. I wouldn't stop my son from wearing dresses if he really cared about it, but I wouldn't actively encourage it. Sorry if that would take me out of running for father of the year but if that continued into adolescence then he would experience seriously negative repercussions.
Besides, what rights do 5 year old's have? I'm sure a lot of kids would like walking around naked but that obviously doesn't fly. I figure kids are just weird bags of random until they start getting a bit older, so I'd keep him normalish until at least 10.
Besides, what rights do 5 year old's have? I'm sure a lot of kids would like walking around naked but that obviously doesn't fly. I figure kids are just weird bags of random until they start getting a bit older, so I'd keep him normalish until at least 10.
i understand little kids will be little kids, so i have nothing against this in an ironic way....
but what the fuck ever happened to masculine men who smoked pipes (hell they may not have even had tobacco) wore suits and fedoras even in 95 degree weather has hairy knuckles, muscles, and just didn't give a fuck?
also, a kilt isnt a dress, kilts kick ass and have uses in battle.
and for anyone about to ***** (i know you want to) about social construct and shit i literally dont care about....shut up. men shouldnt casually wear dresses.
but what the fuck ever happened to masculine men who smoked pipes (hell they may not have even had tobacco) wore suits and fedoras even in 95 degree weather has hairy knuckles, muscles, and just didn't give a fuck?
also, a kilt isnt a dress, kilts kick ass and have uses in battle.
and for anyone about to ***** (i know you want to) about social construct and shit i literally dont care about....shut up. men shouldnt casually wear dresses.
Aware enough to know that acting like a "******" would get the shit kicked out of you, that acting "girly" was about the same, and showing weakness was definitely bad.Abandon4093 said:
And really, that's the only awareness that matters here, as it's what people are talking about. You know, the heart of the matter. It doesn't take a genius to figure out "different=bad" at 5. I'm not sure why you're setting the bar so low.
Hyperbolic Zachary Amaranth is hyperbolic.gmaverick019 said:
Though there's still quite an emphasis on "traditional" gender roles. And while 70% is an exaggeration, it was more a notion of how bass ackwards we are compared to the rest of Western Civilisation.
I think if I wore a dress I'd be very self-concious about it. XD
(I mean, I might do it for fun privately to entertain a ladyfriend but in public? Nooooooooo....)
But I say let the kid have his fun. Nothing wrong with liking women's clothing. I personally like how simplistic yet bold it generally tends to be.
Me if I was the father? No
Kid? Whatever.
Props to the man for standing up for something he believes in. Change would never happen if no-one ever made a stand for it.
I'll stick to a pair of Jeans and a Mario T-shirt, thank you very much!
(I mean, I might do it for fun privately to entertain a ladyfriend but in public? Nooooooooo....)
But I say let the kid have his fun. Nothing wrong with liking women's clothing. I personally like how simplistic yet bold it generally tends to be.
Me if I was the father? No
Kid? Whatever.
Props to the man for standing up for something he believes in. Change would never happen if no-one ever made a stand for it.
I'll stick to a pair of Jeans and a Mario T-shirt, thank you very much!
I'm seriously amazed at all the people totally ignoring the fact that he will be ridiculed by his peers in school and that allowing a fucking five year old to make his own choices at such a ridiculously young age is somehow considered good parenting.
You're not going to emotionally damage the boy for making him not wear a dress for his own good.
You're not going to emotionally damage the boy for making him not wear a dress for his own good.