Poll: It's really time to stop supporting Blizzard

Atmos Duality

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Garak73 said:
What if the government told you that you had to volunteer to shovel snow or you would arrested. Would you have the same attitude "oh well, I have nothing to complain about since they did warn me first".
I actually have to shovel snow off my walkway and off the sidewalks (which I don't own) in front of my house, or pay a legal fine due a local ordinance. And they did warn everyone via mailed pamphlets and in the newspaper first.

No joke.

Garak73 said:
When my clients pay me it's because I have done a job for them. When people BUY a game they are paying the developer. DRM has nothing to do with a basic trade like that.
Your logic doesn't work here.
Why? Because your labor/work cannot be easily replicated and distributed. It can only come from you.
Don't mix up Labor with Capital/Property. They are entirely different animals.

I'm still waiting for you to prove what you claimed earlier; about the DRM being entirely on Blizzard's plate.
 

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another boycott huh, Of course it will work this time. Good luck, im going to go continue on the SC2 campaign now.
 

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People need to read the EULA... I have read the EULA of every game I have ever purchased (I skip the copy paste stuff that's in every single one). I have never once been banned or suspended from a game of any kind. I always make sure to follow the rules that I agreed to upon creation of an account in any service.

The day I stop supporting Blzzard is the day I stop eating and drinking. Blizzard had the legal right to ban the accounts of those who cheated. I do however feel bad for those who were hacked, as I know the pain of being a victim... although I came out ultimately richer after my battle.net account was hacked, so my pain is slightly reduced.
 

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Garak73 said:
DRM is there to put restrictions on you, the paying customer.

For example, if you want to play a multiplayer game against a family member in the same household, previously you could use on disc and play over LAN. Now, thanks to the new DRM each person must have their own copy and their own BNET 2.0 account.

Don't like SC2? Wanna sell it to someone else since you have no use for it? Nope, the restrictions are on you.

That's what DRM is for.
CD-key are DRM but it doesn't do what you say? Im really confused now...
Seriously, DRM is there to make pirate harder.
No you don't own the game content, because owning the game content means you have the right to distribute it, same household doesn't justify you to pirate the game. It is like renting house doesn't give you the right to re-rent the house. People are alien to that idea because they have been doing it for a long time. Selling game is basiclly a long term renting game service in term of law. It is called copyright.
 

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1) There are perfectly workable cheats in Starcraft 2. They disable achievements.
2)Achievements are not only a way to impress you fellow players, they are also the FIRST thing you see of your opponent, and thus can change your starting tactics. This means, that more impressive achievements have a function.
3)These people cheated JUST for the achievements, thus they broke the rules set by Blizzard.
End of story.
 

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Garak73 said:
faspxina said:
You can cheat all you want (the cheat codes are provided by the game developers) they just don't want you to use hacks.
Indeed, now be a good child and only use Blizzard approved cheats.
Thanks.

I just thought I should throw that out there, so people don't think that Blizzard is banning people just because they use normal cheats. I know I did (though it wouldn't make much sense). xD
 

Exort

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Garak73 said:
My labor and DRM are not comparable, take it up with Extort (or whatever) for even bringing that up.

Blizzard added the DRM, not the players. I thought this was a pretty simple concept. I know I didn't receive any survey asking for my opinion about their DRM before release, did you?
That was not me. Anyway Company except thier consumer knowing a little concept known as copyright. I admit copyright is quite complex, but I thought people actully know them these days.
 

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ummmm, I actually agree with Blizzard, I hate cheaters and Blizzard did make it clear that if you cheat you get banned, so how is that wrong? Are you saying that you endorse people getting an unfair advantage in any way shape or form when people who played it the legit way are stupid for not cheating?
 

Madara XIII

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NinjaTigerXIII said:
ummmm, I actually agree with Blizzard, I hate cheaters and Blizzard did make it clear that if you cheat you get banned, so how is that wrong? Are you saying that you endorse people getting an unfair advantage in any way shape or form when people who played it the legit way are stupid for not cheating?
^ THIS

Plus you get extra win for having XIII in ya name :D

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meh I have never been all that interested in any of blizzards games and i an glad,
Clearly they have let success get to their heads...

Some of my friends are saying that minecraft is gonna knock Wow off the most played web game slot and I have to say this behavior certainty isn't gonna help Wow keep its spot
 

Exort

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Garak73 said:
Exort said:
Garak73 said:
DRM is there to put restrictions on you, the paying customer.

For example, if you want to play a multiplayer game against a family member in the same household, previously you could use on disc and play over LAN. Now, thanks to the new DRM each person must have their own copy and their own BNET 2.0 account.

Don't like SC2? Wanna sell it to someone else since you have no use for it? Nope, the restrictions are on you.

That's what DRM is for.
CD-key are DRM but it doesn't do what you say? Im really confused now...
Seriously, DRM is there to make pirate harder.
No you don't own the game content, because owning the game content means you have the right to distribute it, same household doesn't justify you to pirate the game. It is like renting house doesn't give you the right to re-rent the house. People are alien to that idea because they have been doing it for a long time. Selling game is basiclly a long term renting game service in term of law. It is called copyright.
Wait, so you think that each person in a household should buy their own copy of a game?
You know when you rent a house on the agreement it clear say only who can live in it? it is just like that. No matter if someone is your parent as long their name is not on the agreement they can't live there. As long it is within copyright law Im ok. Im against thing like can only install 4 times for each CD or such (One person could need to install more than 4 times), but not to stop pirating. The Agreement in the game say only you an use the game like only you can rent this house.
 

Atmos Duality

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Garak73 said:
Blizzard added the DRM, not the players. I thought this was a pretty simple concept. I know I didn't receive any survey asking for my opinion about their DRM before release, did you?
You're dodging the point again.

I'm not contesting that Blizzard put the DRM in Starcraft 2. I never was.
I'm asking WHY they did it.
 

Exort

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Canid117 said:
Why would you cheat in single player? Are you really that bad at the game?
Achievements. They want online achievement and got banned......
There are build in cheat anyway (which disable achieveements)
 

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Garak73 said:
Exort said:
Garak73 said:
DRM is there to put restrictions on you, the paying customer.

For example, if you want to play a multiplayer game against a family member in the same household, previously you could use on disc and play over LAN. Now, thanks to the new DRM each person must have their own copy and their own BNET 2.0 account.

Don't like SC2? Wanna sell it to someone else since you have no use for it? Nope, the restrictions are on you.

That's what DRM is for.
CD-key are DRM but it doesn't do what you say? Im really confused now...
Seriously, DRM is there to make pirate harder.
No you don't own the game content, because owning the game content means you have the right to distribute it, same household doesn't justify you to pirate the game. It is like renting house doesn't give you the right to re-rent the house. People are alien to that idea because they have been doing it for a long time. Selling game is basiclly a long term renting game service in term of law. It is called copyright.
Wait, so you think that each person in a household should buy their own copy of a game?
I do. And it's not like they cant play on your account.

Then again I never saw anything moral about buying one copy of a game and then letting everyone you know put it on their computers.

Also, computer games have -never- been resellable. Without DRM everyone'd buy it, put it on their computers, and immediately sell the hard copy. Hell, that's what they -did- and that's why cd keys were made in the first place.
 

Exort

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Garak73 said:
To control how you play, to ensure that everyone has to buy their own copy, even within the same household and to ensure that you could not resell it.
Exactly like renting a house (except conturling how you play, which it doesn't avhieve at all.), are you agianst that as well? Last time I check million and million of people have no problem with it. It is called copy right.