manaman said:
Lexodus said:
Really? I find it's the other way around. I've had a lot of hassle in the past for using a Mac (until, of course, the day when those people come to my house and see how great my computer is), and I have to fight to make myself heard over the screaming Microsofters.
ANYWAY!
[1]I like Macs-
[2]They don't get viruses
[3]They can do everything a Windows does (boot camp & Intel engines come as standard)
[4](Vista. I don't need to say any more.)
[5]They are easy to use and more user-friendly
[6]THEY DON'T CRASH EVERY FIVE-TO-TEN SECONDS.
While it doesn't have an intel engine, because it is over six years old, I am still very happy with my old G4. It does everything I want, including WoW.
First: Macs are PC's. Plain and simple they are all computers, and now that Apple is using Intel processors and all the hardware that goes along with the only real difference is the operating system.
Why I quoted the above? Well I wanted to give a few answers to his blind devotion:
[1]I do not prefer mac's, will get to the reasons why shortly.
[2]Do you realize who wrong this statement is? There are many viruses floating around, and as the computers rise above the 10% market share they have they will see more and more exploits. There is nothing special about Mac OS that prevents people from finding an exploit, they just have to wonder why they want to take their time finding a mac exploit when they could realistically expect to only infect a few hundred computers. Where if they geared it towards a NT based Windows OS they could easily infect thousands to hundreds of thousands.
[3] Yeah because they are all PC's; Windows, Linux, Max OS are all just software running on hardware that is pretty much identical. The reason your older Mac does not run Windows is because they intentionally built the hardware out as incompatible. Since they had a lower market share you had to buy your parts from Apple, and all service work had to be done by Apple. Basically this was to make money off you from cradle to grave. At some point (probably as their share of market started to head south faster then a freight train full of fleeing Confederates. They realized they needed to start doing something different or shut down.
[4] Yes you do need to say more... I run a machine with Vista Ultimate 64 bit version. It has run flawlessly. Of course I did not install immediately and do from time to time have issues with a program that was made to run on XP, but this is to be expected. Also while those programs crash, the system does not. Not all programs conform to the developers guidelines Microsoft has and uses to try and ensure backwards compatibility. Many take shortcuts or use shoddy programing, leading to issues down the road and with updates not only from Microsoft but sometimes from other companies updating their software on your computer.
[5] This one is the reason I do not prefer macs, the other responses just put it on equal footing with all the other OS out there. They are not "user friendly," they are intuitive owing to a similarity of interface among programs. Basically once you learn how to operate one program everything will seem strangely familiar. Like learning to fly a small aircraft and then sitting in the cockpit of a 737, you might not be able to fly it well but everything will be familiar, and easier to learn. This happens because Mac has a much stricter developer program. Rather then just making information available (it is now, was not always the case) They restricted access to it, and would deny you access if they where working on an in house program to sell to customers. Something they still practice with the iPhone. This is why all mac software is overpriced. Why you can find a program for Windows that does the same thing for half the price sitting right there on a shelf with 8 other programs that have less of a scope but are free (and do basically what you wanted them to do anyway). Now allowing more access to developers has started to place in more equal footing with other OS's, which brings me to the next point.
[6]THEY DON'T CRASH EVERY FIVE-TO-TEN SECONDS. They may not, but it would take an especially inept person, or damaged hardware to make that happen on any type of system. My computer never crashes, occasionally a program will, but this is a big difference from the system failing. But then again I use compatible software, keep it free of malware, and from time to time run repair and diagnostics on the computer (which your are supposed to do with your mac). Simply if the "They just work" statement was correct there would not be a help desk forum plagued with white-screen-of-death questions, boot camp experiences that resulted in dead computers that Apple force people to send to their repair center. On and on. They have the same problems as any. And if you want a cruel joke even Apple developed programs have been known to cause a WSOD from time to time on a FRESH install of Mac OS.
Basically, it is a PC and the only positives you have that make your OS stand out from the pack is that not enough people use it for anyone to give it the attention Microsoft gets.
Oh and they are pretty. Look at the colors.... ohhh. Rainbow.
This post was brought to you by the Get Over Yourself Group, buying a product does not introduce you into a some elite culture. Linux does not make you "L337 UB3R |-|4><0R," Microsoft is not only good for games, and is the mainstay of offices around the world, which if it was as unstable and vulnerable to attack as you say, it would not be. They all have their strengths and their weaknesses, you just need to pick one based on personal preference, there are programs to do whatever you want with it on any OS.
So, in all of that long-winded insulting of my choice of hardware and general trolling against anyone who slipped and had the
audacity to refer to MACs and Windows in the way that the whole world does (i.e Macs and PCs), you have firstly argued a point that I didn't even mention and made careful to not mention, by referring to Mac and WINDOWS, not Mac and PC, secondly called me a fanboy without basis, as I am not one, and used to beg for a PC until I saw how generally bad they were. Maybe I was using it wrong, maybe I wasn't, but I DON'T CARE. I was STATING MY OPINION.
Now, as you deigned to number my points, I shall respond in kind.
1] Opinion. Not even a reason for my liking of Macs, just my stating that I do.
2] Well... shit. In all that dribble, you've managed to PROVE ME RIGHT. Perhaps I should have said 'have' rather than 'get', but, at the time being, they both mean the same thing. The fact remains; for whatever reason, I have never had a virus, nor has anybody I know with a Mac.
3] I was talking about SOFTWARE, hence I said Windows, not PC. I'm not going to go into depth about the rest of your statement, because a) I realise that it was a shitty move to pull and agree with you on certain points, and b) because if I said something correct and said 'That's called MARKETING, DUMBASS' or "CAPITALISM IN ACTION', you would immediately post back, calling me a fanboy and prattling on, and yet managing to avoid any sort of recognition of what I had said to provoke that reaction.
4] Vista is generally internet fodder, because, as an OS, it has had terrible press and thousands of problems. Even many Windows users try to pretend it never happened, to sweep it under the rug, as the expression goes. XP, however, is a solid system, although 2007 is an annoying, overcomplicated piece of crap (IN MY OPINION) with thousands of extra features that do fuck all and needless (and backwards) aesthetic changes, much like the new Sky layout.
5] I don't have an iPhone and wouldn't know about that, but actually Mac software goes for roughly the same price as most other stuff (I'm talking games and shit, please correct me if I'm wrong about the OS packages, but I just finished a software analysis including OS packages, and Windows was going for a lot of money, equally as much as Mac). And you have just shot yourself in the foot. Mac sells for a lot more than the free stuff, yes, but Windows
also sells for a lot more money than the free stuff, because... well, it's free stuff. Also, there must be a reason that the majority of people don't
use that free stuff. I don't know what it is, maybe because of the less of a scope that you mentioned, but that's beside the point. Taking that out of the equation, it's just either Windows software (which can run on both) or Mac software (which a lot of is generally produced by Microsoft ANYWAY, because they both have realised that there is NO point for two competing word programs, etc., when there can be
no difference at all and the common one, perfected over many attempts (and subsequently un-perfected in Windows 2007) would suffice, as having another would just add an extra extension and endless conversions between the two, which are bound to happen as peoples' preferences will mean that some will buy one, and some will by another), usually depending on what you already have and personal choice.
6] The software, the hardware; it all crashes on a PC. For example, I went on the Microsoft website once, and... it crashed. Every other page I went to remained functional, but that's really saying something in a semi-sarcastic anecdote-y kinda way. I've never had to worry about malware, never had to run repair and diagnostics, never had to debug, and only have to check for compatible software because I have a computer that's SIX YEARS OLD, which does not account for the major change between G4s and Intel engines, allowing you to run Windows software on a Mac. I also did not mention the 'They just work' quote, as that's kinda selling all the hard work put into making both systems run as well as they do (yes, even though I don't like it out of personal taste, I admit that Microsoft has done a good job so far, and the numbers of people with computers, whether Mac or Windows, is testament to that). I am also proud to say that I have NEVER had a WSOD, but I have had plenty of BSODs, all from Windows (obviously), and mostly at schools or other public places (which is excusable because you need to sacrifice quality for quantity, and things are bound to go wrong).
Yes, it is a PC. It is a
personal computer, as many, including yourself, have pointed out. I don't care about standing out from the crowd because of my computer, and I'm not a fanboy. I simply like Mac because it has never let me down, never run around and deserted me (sorry, just had to put that in), because it doesn't have viruses (which you have even ADMITTED), and because, as you have said,
"Plain and simple they are all computers, and now that Apple is using Intel processors and all the hardware that goes along with the only real difference is the operating system", which means that Macs do the same that Windows do, again, which you have said, but are better for
"art projects (Not by alot not relevant to any professional vocation), super duper easy to use (Like grandma level)", to quote one of the multitude of people that generally said the same thing, at the same time as removing the 'Windows have all the games and are therefore better for gaming' advantage that has also been stressed many, many times.
Oh, and there's no need to get sarcastic. The colours are preeeeettyyyyy...
I do agree with the last bit though. It all comes down to personal taste in the end, and what you decide is what you will live with until you get your
next computer. My choice was Mac, and I am HAPPY with that.
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