Poll: Metalcore Hate

[Blackdoom]

Never really been a fan of Metalcore as a whole I am not denying that there are some good songs in the genre but overall I just find a lot of the songs to be rather dull focusing on screaming as much as you can and breakdowns. I also find that there isn't much variation in the genre there are bands which definitely stand out and are good but the average song I just find to be lacking.

To me it just always felt like it was trying too hard to be Br00tal whilst completely failing to.

 

[SpAc3man]

I don't hate metalcore per say. Well, okay, I really don't like it, but if someone else does, hey, whatever floats your boat.

I just hate it when people call it metal. It is not metal, it is hardcore punk with metal influences. Last time I checked, hardcore punk =/= metal. So please, PLEASE don't bring up the latest metalcore sensation during a discussion about metal. Because it isn't metal. It's punk. I cannot overstate this.

Also the metalheads are just jelly that none of their bands came up with a music video as awesome as this:

Ummmm, that's just a bunch of bro-dudes rocking out on a beach then going surfing. Hate to break it to you, but it isn't all that amazing.

I think you miss the point.

They are taking the piss. The whole video is a piss-take on music videos, metalcore, genre boundaries and stereotypical ideas about music everywhere.

Seriously. A metalcore band playing metalcore on a beach, in the water and on surfboards.
Look at almost any other typical metalcore music video and you will see the band playing in a warehouse, in a train-yard, in a deserted house in the middle of fuck-knows-where.

Sorry if you feel stupid for missing the obvious joke.
I thought it was pretty clever of them.

 

[Rabish Bini]

I like Architects and Every Time I Die. Are they considered metalcore?

I like them.

 

[Antari]

Things were alot easier when I was young. There was just two kinds of Metal, good and bad. There wasn't any of this confusion.

 

[irequirefood]

Metalcore seems to get a lot of hate because it's new-ish and fairly popular, and it's just not 'true metal' or whatever shit some of the deluded wallies on the Metal Hammer Facebook page will attempt to claim. There is a lot of shit metalcore, because it's been fairly commercially successful, but that doesn't make the good metalcore bands any less awesome.

Spoiler

It took too long for Parkway Drive to be posted in this.

Yes, there is plenty of terrible metalcore, hell I'm exposed to it all the time because of the gigs I go to and friends I hang with, but there is a tonne of great stuff. Converge are major beasts at it, As I Lay Dying who have already been posted also are pretty awesome, and everyone look up The Ghost Inside if you want a really good band in the more modern take on metalcore.

 

[Mr.Squishy]

Black and Death Metal don't sound distinct enough to warrant two separate subgenres in my humble opinion; they both contain high-speed guitar, noisy drums, obnoxious and slightly incomprehensible vocals.

If we're going to be that shallow I'm pretty sure 99% of metal can be described as "fast guitars, noisy drums and slightly incomprehensible vocals".

Fucking christ, man, I did point out that it was my opinion, didn't I? But anywho, at least I can tell apart Slayer and Metallica, or Nightwish, as well as what the fuck they're singing. I find that hard with the majority of black metal and death metal; which to my ears blend together into a same-sounding goop with three chords, no rhythm and fuckall melody.

 

[mitchell271]

Anyway, you like core, whatever. Just as long as you don't go around saying it's any good, then whatever man. That kinda stuff can be a transition into heavier, actual metal, so hopefully that's where you're at.

That's actually the douchiest thing I've read since starting this thread. It's like saying Bella Bartok isn't part of the contemporary movement in Classical or that The Black Album wasn't thrash. Besides, some metalcore is harder than heavy metal (e.g. Parkway Drive is heavier than Iron Maiden).

 

[MisterGobbles]

But here's where things get important, and where you really have to be on the lookout. While the glut is writhing, festering, and fornicating with itself, out of it's very bowels may come a band who looks like all the rest, and in it's inexperience may even sound a little like the rest (at first) - but just a little off. Just a little different. Just a little better. You may be witnessing the birth of something new. Something shiny. Something as quiet as whisper which will echo into the valleys eternally until it has mustered an unholy avalanche. You may swear off a genre or a fashion or a scene, but when it emerges and stands utterly alone, sillhouetted against the shit-tornado that obscures so much of your vision, and spews fiery liquid gold at your face, you will know it's name is The Lord when it lays it's vengeance upon thee...



(lyrics relevant, actually)

God I love Protest the Hero. There's an obvious hardcore/punk influence, but you could never just mark them up as metalcore. You just can't. There's too much else there. And I seriously never even thought about the fact that they were forming amidst all this metalcore-getting-popular stuff.

What a perfect band.

 

[AnarchistFish]

Fuck metalsucks.

People who dismiss metalcore as a whole because of bands like Attack Attack! and Miss May I clearly know fuck all about the genre.

They just aren't good musicians. To elaborate, it sounds like they put their anger into the song without bothering to give it much compositional shape. It lacks character and thought.

This is just wrong
How do any of those lack character and thought?

Mathcore is probably the hardest subgenres of metal to play, and it's a subgenre of metalcore.

Metalcore seems to get a lot of hate because it's new-ish and fairly popular,

New?
It's been around almost 20 years.

I'd always kinda lumped it into the generic "screamo" category.

Yeah don't do that. Screamo isn't an umbrella term, it's a specific genre of music and it has nothing to do with metalcore.

I dislike the clean vocals in metalcore, because they sound whiny. The whiny-ness makes them not Metal.

A lot of metalcore doesn't have clean vocals. The old stuff especially.

I like Architects and Every Time I Die. Are they considered metalcore?

I like them.

Yeah, that's metalcore.

I dont even consider a metacore to be a genre. its just a label stupid people made up.

Korn started as nu-metal, went into emo-pop and now is doung dubstep (im not kidding, the latest album is cooperation with skrillex).

Jesus christ there is so much fucking wrong with this post.

Metalcore is a genre. It's hybrid genre. Of metal and hardcore. It exists. It's quite a broad term but it exists and it's distinguishable.

There's no such thing as "emo pop" and Korn were never emo, or pop.

And they're not doing dubstep either. Their latest album was largely electro. But they've never touched dubstep. Jonathan Davis apparently knows nothing about electronic music..

BUt thats the problem, its electronic music. and its the worst kind of electronic music. its almost like trance but more agressive.

and you clearly don't either. Don't go calling people "stupid" if you're ignorant yourself

merde les conneries ici

 

[thatonedude11]

I think you miss the point.

They are taking the piss. The whole video is a piss-take on music videos, metalcore, genre boundaries and stereotypical ideas about music everywhere.

Seriously. A metalcore band playing metalcore on a beach, in the water and on surfboards.
Look at almost any other typical metalcore music video and you will see the band playing in a warehouse, in a train-yard, in a deserted house in the middle of fuck-knows-where.

Sorry if you feel stupid for missing the obvious joke.
I thought it was pretty clever of them.

I really don't feel stupid, because most 'serious' metalcore/deathcore music videos i have seen (which admittedly isn't many; I just don't like music videos) look just like that(bro-dudes doing something so 'cool' that really has nothing to do with metal), so it can be difficult to tell if a band is doing it ironically or whatever.

 

[Phuctifyno]

God I love Protest the Hero. There's an obvious hardcore/punk influence, but you could never just mark them up as metalcore. You just can't. There's too much else there. And I seriously never even thought about the fact that they were forming amidst all this metalcore-getting-popular stuff.

What a perfect band.

Amen.

But yeah, even though they've always stood apart, it can't be said that they didn't come out of that scene. For most of their career, and even still to an extent, it's those kinds of bands that they've had to tour with... either metalcore or emo, since their sound seems to fall somewhere in between (though resembling neither and far superior to both - I'm talking strictly mechanical terms, like heaviness or melodic content). Nowadays though, they can be seen on the road alongside the likes of Black Label Society, or better yet, Propagandhi - so I don't think that's going to be a problem for them much longer. People know what the fuck is up.

Wow, that Defiler band was terrible. Laughed the whole time.

 

[Spinozaad]

I think it's utter shit; "kiddywink metal". No more, no less.

The keywords here being "I think." You like metalcore, nu-metal or whatever label you wanna give it? More power to you. I personally prefer the Great Genre Clusterfuck I'll lazily dub "stoner." To each his/her own, I'd say.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Metalcore seems to get a lot of hate because it's new-ish and fairly popular,

New?
It's been around almost 20 years.

I did know (although I'll admit that I haven't listened to much of the older stuff), I should have worded myself better. It's attracted a lot more attention in the last few years, and gotten a lot bigger.

They are taking the piss. The whole video is a piss-take on music videos, metalcore, genre boundaries and stereotypical ideas about music everywhere.

Seriously. A metalcore band playing metalcore on a beach, in the water and on surfboards.
Look at almost any other typical metalcore music video and you will see the band playing in a warehouse, in a train-yard, in a deserted house in the middle of fuck-knows-where.

Sorry if you feel stupid for missing the obvious joke.
I thought it was pretty clever of them.

Huh. I didn't realise it was a joke myself (mainly because I don't watch a lot of music videos). I know they're basically a bunch of surf dudes anyway, I thought it was a more sincere 'fuck you guys, this is who we are' type thing.

 

[Azaraxzealot]

I like what Metalcore was at FIRST, meaning hardcore thrashy type style and vocals with heavily distorted guitars and double bass thrown in.

Basically what suicidal tendencies is.

I don't like what metalcore has become:
SCREAM, whine, SCREAM, whine, SCREAM, whine, SCREEEEEEEAM/crabwalk, whine.

Bunch of skinny-jeans wearing, butt-rocking, ear-gauging poseurs is what that noise it.

 

[Wraith]

... with Disturbed (can be considered Nu Metal) .

why can disturbed fit under Nu-metal? theres no "rap" influence there

Admittedly, they have more of a hard rock style now, but in their earlier days they were regarded as Nu Metal, I guess because of their "softer" lyrical styling, while keeping the heaviness in their guitars. You can kind of get a taste of it in their first album, especially if you listen to it next to other nu metal bands.

But no, Disturbed is not, exclusively nu metal.

 

[Thyunda]

I dont even consider a metacore to be a genre. its just a label stupid people made up.

just what the hell is wrong with nu-metal anyway?

Korn arent bad...neither is linkin park...I also like linkin parks new stuff

Korn started as nu-metal, went into emo-pop and now is doung dubstep (im not kidding, the latest album is cooperation with skrillex). Korn is the perfect example of how a good band can go the worst possible way.
Linkin park started great, lately they were weering into pop as well.
you just had to pick the worst exmaples didnt you?

Dude. The Korn/Skrillex tunes are badass. Like. Seriously badass.

It is beyond my imagination why people liek you exist.

We exist so that awesome tunes may be appreciated.

 

[Thyunda]

And they're not doing dubstep either. Their latest album was largely electro. But they've never touched dubstep. Jonathan Davis apparently knows nothing about electronic music..

BUt thats the problem, its electronic music. and its the worst kind of electronic music. its almost like trance but more agressive.

and you clearly don't either. Don't go calling people "stupid" if you're ignorant yourself

merde les conneries ici

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR-ZBWzxfkI

That's dubstep.

 

[el_kabong]

I intensely dislike the kind of people who listen to only one genre of music and refuse to listen to anything else. I also feel sorry for them, as they are denying themselves so much potential pleasure to be had by branching out their tastes. My iPod is filled with a mixture of Punk, Alt Rock, Classic Metal, Epic Metal, Aggrotech, Acoustic Rock, and even Classical. I'm as likely to listen to Grendel as I am to Bad Religion, and if someone then tries to tell me that I'm somehow deficient for not having a fanatical devotion to the sound of people screaming their frigging lungs out, I can't help but think negatively toward them.

Totally agree with this guy. I listen to EVERY genre. Some genres have more crappy music per capita than others (pop music and country, I'm looking your way), but all genres have some artist I can enjoy.

OT: I don't like or dislike metalcore. Why? Because it's an ill-defined sub-genre (as most sub-genres are, either being a way for the band to look unique or by cultural gatekeepers to put an asterisk on what is or is not the genre) encompassing several very different bands.