Poll: Metalcore Hate

[Phuctifyno]

God I love Protest the Hero. There's an obvious hardcore/punk influence, but you could never just mark them up as metalcore. You just can't. There's too much else there. And I seriously never even thought about the fact that they were forming amidst all this metalcore-getting-popular stuff.

What a perfect band.

Amen.

But yeah, even though they've always stood apart, it can't be said that they didn't come out of that scene. For most of their career, and even still to an extent, it's those kinds of bands that they've had to tour with... either metalcore or emo, since their sound seems to fall somewhere in between (though resembling neither and far superior to both - I'm talking strictly mechanical terms, like heaviness or melodic content). Nowadays though, they can be seen on the road alongside the likes of Black Label Society, or better yet, Propagandhi - so I don't think that's going to be a problem for them much longer. People know what the fuck is up.

Wow, that Defiler band was terrible. Laughed the whole time.

 

[Spinozaad]

I think it's utter shit; "kiddywink metal". No more, no less.

The keywords here being "I think." You like metalcore, nu-metal or whatever label you wanna give it? More power to you. I personally prefer the Great Genre Clusterfuck I'll lazily dub "stoner." To each his/her own, I'd say.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Metalcore seems to get a lot of hate because it's new-ish and fairly popular,

New?
It's been around almost 20 years.

I did know (although I'll admit that I haven't listened to much of the older stuff), I should have worded myself better. It's attracted a lot more attention in the last few years, and gotten a lot bigger.

They are taking the piss. The whole video is a piss-take on music videos, metalcore, genre boundaries and stereotypical ideas about music everywhere.

Seriously. A metalcore band playing metalcore on a beach, in the water and on surfboards.
Look at almost any other typical metalcore music video and you will see the band playing in a warehouse, in a train-yard, in a deserted house in the middle of fuck-knows-where.

Sorry if you feel stupid for missing the obvious joke.
I thought it was pretty clever of them.

Huh. I didn't realise it was a joke myself (mainly because I don't watch a lot of music videos). I know they're basically a bunch of surf dudes anyway, I thought it was a more sincere 'fuck you guys, this is who we are' type thing.

 

[Azaraxzealot]

I like what Metalcore was at FIRST, meaning hardcore thrashy type style and vocals with heavily distorted guitars and double bass thrown in.

Basically what suicidal tendencies is.

I don't like what metalcore has become:
SCREAM, whine, SCREAM, whine, SCREAM, whine, SCREEEEEEEAM/crabwalk, whine.

Bunch of skinny-jeans wearing, butt-rocking, ear-gauging poseurs is what that noise it.

 

[Wraith]

... with Disturbed (can be considered Nu Metal) .

why can disturbed fit under Nu-metal? theres no "rap" influence there

Admittedly, they have more of a hard rock style now, but in their earlier days they were regarded as Nu Metal, I guess because of their "softer" lyrical styling, while keeping the heaviness in their guitars. You can kind of get a taste of it in their first album, especially if you listen to it next to other nu metal bands.

But no, Disturbed is not, exclusively nu metal.

 

[Thyunda]

I dont even consider a metacore to be a genre. its just a label stupid people made up.

just what the hell is wrong with nu-metal anyway?

Korn arent bad...neither is linkin park...I also like linkin parks new stuff

Korn started as nu-metal, went into emo-pop and now is doung dubstep (im not kidding, the latest album is cooperation with skrillex). Korn is the perfect example of how a good band can go the worst possible way.
Linkin park started great, lately they were weering into pop as well.
you just had to pick the worst exmaples didnt you?

Dude. The Korn/Skrillex tunes are badass. Like. Seriously badass.

It is beyond my imagination why people liek you exist.

We exist so that awesome tunes may be appreciated.

 

[Thyunda]

And they're not doing dubstep either. Their latest album was largely electro. But they've never touched dubstep. Jonathan Davis apparently knows nothing about electronic music..

BUt thats the problem, its electronic music. and its the worst kind of electronic music. its almost like trance but more agressive.

and you clearly don't either. Don't go calling people "stupid" if you're ignorant yourself

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR-ZBWzxfkI

That's dubstep.

 

[el_kabong]

I intensely dislike the kind of people who listen to only one genre of music and refuse to listen to anything else. I also feel sorry for them, as they are denying themselves so much potential pleasure to be had by branching out their tastes. My iPod is filled with a mixture of Punk, Alt Rock, Classic Metal, Epic Metal, Aggrotech, Acoustic Rock, and even Classical. I'm as likely to listen to Grendel as I am to Bad Religion, and if someone then tries to tell me that I'm somehow deficient for not having a fanatical devotion to the sound of people screaming their frigging lungs out, I can't help but think negatively toward them.

Totally agree with this guy. I listen to EVERY genre. Some genres have more crappy music per capita than others (pop music and country, I'm looking your way), but all genres have some artist I can enjoy.

OT: I don't like or dislike metalcore. Why? Because it's an ill-defined sub-genre (as most sub-genres are, either being a way for the band to look unique or by cultural gatekeepers to put an asterisk on what is or is not the genre) encompassing several very different bands.

 

[Karhukonna]

I'm a fan of metalcore, but I tend to be extremely picky about the vocalist. If the singer's voice does not please me, I cannot like the band. An example of this is Avenged Sevenfold. Shadows sounds like a whiny kid with a monotone style of singing. My favourite metalcore singer is Jesse Leach, mainly for his performance in early and current Killswitch Engage material.

About the only clean metalcore vocalist I can say I like, is Howard Jones. His cleans are very good.

I always felt that the band moved towards a more traditional style when Jones joined the band. I like his singing, and he even did a good job with "previous singer material", which is something one rarely sees when a band changes singers.

I also just realized what a great thread this is for picking up new bands.

I must say, I like a lot of different sub genres of metal, so I guess I could just say that I like metal in general. I'm particularly fond of guttural vocals, groovy guitars and down right pummeling on those drums. Mm-mmm. But to me, music has to have a melody. If it has melody and interesting themes, and somehow sounds a bit like metal, I'll like it. A lot of genres fit into my personal taste, including metalcore, grindcore, hatecore, groove, trash, melodeath, traditional, classical, power, folk and whatever the hell 3 Inches of Blood fits into.

To get more on topic, I've never personally seen any hate for metalcore, my friends all seem to like it. I guess some of the bands sound too soft, like later All That Remains, Atreyu and some others that don't spring to mind.

For example:
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Cheers, I really liked that stuff. Gonna have to look it up later.

Fuck metalsucks.

People who dismiss metalcore as a whole because of bands like Attack Attack! and Miss May I clearly know fuck all about the genre.

They just aren't good musicians. To elaborate, it sounds like they put their anger into the song without bothering to give it much compositional shape. It lacks character and thought.

This is just wrong
How do any of those lack character and thought?

Mathcore is probably the hardest subgenres of metal to play, and it's a subgenre of metalcore.

Metalcore seems to get a lot of hate because it's new-ish and fairly popular,

New?
It's been around almost 20 years.

I'd always kinda lumped it into the generic "screamo" category.

Yeah don't do that. Screamo isn't an umbrella term, it's a specific genre of music and it has nothing to do with metalcore.

I dislike the clean vocals in metalcore, because they sound whiny. The whiny-ness makes them not Metal.

A lot of metalcore doesn't have clean vocals. The old stuff especially.

I like Architects and Every Time I Die. Are they considered metalcore?

I like them.

Yeah, that's metalcore.

I dont even consider a metacore to be a genre. its just a label stupid people made up.

Korn started as nu-metal, went into emo-pop and now is doung dubstep (im not kidding, the latest album is cooperation with skrillex).

Jesus christ there is so much fucking wrong with this post.

Metalcore is a genre. It's hybrid genre. Of metal and hardcore. It exists. It's quite a broad term but it exists and it's distinguishable.

There's no such thing as "emo pop" and Korn were never emo, or pop.

And they're not doing dubstep either. Their latest album was largely electro. But they've never touched dubstep. Jonathan Davis apparently knows nothing about electronic music..

BUt thats the problem, its electronic music. and its the worst kind of electronic music. its almost like trance but more agressive.

and you clearly don't either. Don't go calling people "stupid" if you're ignorant yourself

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Pretty much this, 100%.

Also, a bit of an apology if any of you are having trouble following my train of thought. I'm tired and have trouble concentrating right now, so my writing is drifting quite a bit.

 

[AnarchistFish]

And they're not doing dubstep either. Their latest album was largely electro. But they've never touched dubstep. Jonathan Davis apparently knows nothing about electronic music..

BUt thats the problem, its electronic music. and its the worst kind of electronic music. its almost like trance but more agressive.

and you clearly don't either. Don't go calling people "stupid" if you're ignorant yourself

merde les conneries ici

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR-ZBWzxfkI

That's dubstep.

It's got vague dubstep elements. Actually there are better examples on the album of dubstep. Like I said, it's largely electro house.

And judging from what else he said he's calling it dubstep for the wrong reasons anyway.

 

[Thyunda]

And they're not doing dubstep either. Their latest album was largely electro. But they've never touched dubstep. Jonathan Davis apparently knows nothing about electronic music..

BUt thats the problem, its electronic music. and its the worst kind of electronic music. its almost like trance but more agressive.

and you clearly don't either. Don't go calling people "stupid" if you're ignorant yourself

merde les conneries ici

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR-ZBWzxfkI

That's dubstep.

It's got vague dubstep elements. Actually there are better examples on the album of dubstep. Like I said, it's largely electro house.

And judging from what else he said he's calling it dubstep for the wrong reasons anyway.

I really only linked that one because it has my favourite example of dubstep. Or...vague dubstep elements. I like the drive and the...it's not quite rhythm but it's close...of the electro following the guitar.

That sentence had vague dubstep elements.

 

[darthmj94]

I don't like metalcore, it is something that just never connected with me. I have more of a taste for Nu metal, gothic metal, and classic rock, which kind of makes it hard going to high school in Fort Myers. FL. because everywhere you look there is a metalcore band, and those bands have started there own "music revolution" actually stating that "Fort Myers Metalcore will spread all over the world,and sweep away the bullshit metal". I know that this attitude is not the case for everyone into the genera, but I can not sympathies with the lyrics these people bring up either, where I come from ALL of the metalcore bands are filled with rich white people with mommy issues who will belittle you for liking bands like SlipKnot, System Of A Down, Limp Bizkit, and Lacuna Coil(again I know this is not the case for everyone who is into the genera). I don't think screaming, and growling can make up the backbone of your vocals, I don't think a fast tempo is a substitute for a good drum beat, I think a bassist should be more then a guitarist that got stiffed into the position, and if you are going to have a bass, it has to play more then 3 notes. So I guess my distaste for metalcore comes from my experience with local bands.

 

[deathzero021]

I like very few bands with the Metalcore label, most of them not really sounding like your typical Metalcore. For example, Trivium is one of my favorite bands, they often get labeled as Metalcore but they really don't sound like most Metalcore bands at all. They're more a mix of thrash metal and other extreme metals.

However i can't stand bands like Bullet For My Valentine, which isn't even metalcore anymore but still fits the image of metalcore.

Some real metalcore bands i like would be I Killed The Prom Queen, As I Lay Dying and Parkway Drive. These are exceptions for me though, like i said earlier, i don't generally like Metalcore.

Death metal, black metal, symphonic metal and neo-classical metal are more interesting to me.

p.s. also i want to mention that i do like punk and hardcore as well. It's the metalcore group itself that i dont like. it's kinda like grindcore for me, i like the individual parts of it but i dont like it much when its combined for the sake of combining things. Only a few bands can really make good use of fusion genres.

 

[JaceArveduin]

Eh... I'll have to pass on it, nothing I've seen of it appeals to me, probably because I tend to prefer the themes and styles of Power Metal above everything.

 

[winginson]

I really can't get into the whole sub-sub-sub-sub-sub genre thing people do with music. I can barely work with 'Pop' 'Rock' 'Metal' 'Punk' and 'Classical'.

Also I didn't realize Linkin Park actual count as metal. Just seems really wrong.

 

[MisterGobbles]

God I love Protest the Hero. There's an obvious hardcore/punk influence, but you could never just mark them up as metalcore. You just can't. There's too much else there. And I seriously never even thought about the fact that they were forming amidst all this metalcore-getting-popular stuff.

What a perfect band.

Amen.

But yeah, even though they've always stood apart, it can't be said that they didn't come out of that scene. For most of their career, and even still to an extent, it's those kinds of bands that they've had to tour with... either metalcore or emo, since their sound seems to fall somewhere in between (though resembling neither and far superior to both - I'm talking strictly mechanical terms, like heaviness or melodic content). Nowadays though, they can be seen on the road alongside the likes of Black Label Society, or better yet, Propagandhi - so I don't think that's going to be a problem for them much longer. People know what the fuck is up.

Wow, that Defiler band was terrible. Laughed the whole time.

Oh yeah, they mostly tour with the prog metal crowd now, at least in the United States (I saw them with TesseracT, and they recently toured with The Safety Fire and Periphery), so people definitely know what the fuck is up.

Oh, and I've got more. Metalcore fans, defend this shit!




Just kidding, I love actually well done metalcore and obviously I recognize that this crap doesn't represent the whole genre.

But damn is it popular right now. Ugh.

 

[Artemis923]

I completely despise metalcore. As both a black/death metal fan and guitarist, the idea that simple breakdown chugs are "brewtal" is grossly offensive. There is absolutely no technical skill involved in the majority of the genre. In addition, SWEEPING ISN'T THE BE ALL, END ALL OF SOLOS. Sweeping is an effective technique when used correctly; I see a lot of these core guys sweeping their guitars randomly like janitors. There is barely any hint of chord progression or musical aptitude to be found in core.



Is musically inferior to

 

[Ishal]

I completely despise metalcore. As both a black/death metal fan and guitarist, the idea that simple breakdown chugs are "brewtal" is grossly offensive. There is absolutely no technical skill involved in the majority of the genre. In addition, SWEEPING ISN'T THE BE ALL, END ALL OF SOLOS. Sweeping is an effective technique when used correctly; I see a lot of these core guys sweeping their guitars randomly like janitors. There is barely any hint of chord progression or musical aptitude to be found in core.



Is musically inferior to

Well shit, and here I thought I was gonna have to come in here and post Arsis myself... I'm pleasantly surprised someone beat me to it.

I've found lots of black metal musicians to be somewhat sloppy when doing sweeps as well but I've always thought it blended with the scene and tones found in traditional blackmetal. Often they aren't looking for the best tonal quality when they record so it really doesn't matter. I know for a fact many like Ihsahn from Emperor certainly have the skill to tighten up their playing but I think the sloppy messy sound is what many of them are looking for. I could be off base there i dunno..

Edit: As much as I love James Malone I honestly think the drum tracks in any Arsis song are some of the best you'll ever hear in Tech-Death/Death Metal and that is the true awesomeness of Arsis. Its just amazing how well it jives with the rest of the band, it doesn't outpace them or eclipse them, it just fits right in. I see people here talking about mathcore... mathcore is technical deathmetal for dummies. People don't just want to hear full stops and time signature changes anywhere in the song, there is a proper way to do it...

..this is how...

 

[Phuctifyno]

"If you don't lyrics then go listen to Genesis. SEGA! We ain't playing games, *****!"

I'll just go face-palm myself to death. Thanks.

 

[gamernerdtg2]

I don't think screaming, and growling can make up the backbone of your vocals, I don't think a fast tempo is a substitute for a good drum beat, I think a bassist should be more then a guitarist that got stiffed into the position, and if you are going to have a bass, it has to play more then 3 notes. So I guess my distaste for metalcore comes from my experience with local bands.

What so does this mean your actually a musician or something?

So glad someone can articulate this as clearly as you have. Bassists often get the shaft for the exaxt reasons you've mentioned.