Poll: Mindless hatred for the Xbone?

[Gidiel167]

i was going to buy the new xbox before Microsoft started giving out details about it.I don't really share my games with anyone, and only rarely trade them in. Honestly the 24 hour check in and broadband requirements are what killed it for me. I will miss playing the next Halo game =/

 

[Zeckt]

You call 3 360 failures and 4 wireless controller failures mindless hate? no, I call it JUSTIFIED LOATHING! I hate microsoft so much that if I were at their press conference security would be escorting me out and banning me from E3.

 

[irok]

Its bad, I mean sure there are some redeeming features but the damning ones are numerous and huge, that and I hate it for what its trying to do , for what Microsoft thinks they can accomplish with it and for what it would say about consumers if it succeeds, no the bull shit box must die a horrible death.

Although , hate is a strong word, I have a mildly aggressive apathy for it.

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

The way I see it, the Xbone ban of used games is a plus for publishers. The boost from the sales could be used to prop up good discounts ( Similar to Steam , which i THINK does not support used games for the current generation of games at least [Dishonored and Bioshock Infinite come to mind] )

This is Microsoft we're taking about. They put advertisements on the Xbox dashboard which combined with Xbox Gold was a paid service. Their greed obviously knows no bounds and they don't have any incentive to give discounts. Even if they did, it would probably be more along the lines of keeping the status quo of $60 rather than pricing games to match inflation. You also seem to think that this will "boost sales" which would only be possible in magical infinite money land. People buy used games because they can't afford otherwise and cutting them out would only limit the number of people playing them. Besides, Steam has competition in terms of game download systems so their sales are a way to be competitive, and I don't care if I can't sell a game when I bought it for $5 in the first place (seriously, the Witcher 1 and 2 were in a bundle for $6 the other day)

Besides, we are the consumers. Gamers are literally the sole providence of the gaming industry ( Excluding bigger and wider conglomerates like microsoft and pointing towards more indie developers ). If we want to bypass the act of paying money but still play games , we are essentially sticking the finger to the gaming industry (which can't do a thing). I don't blame producers for sharing microsoft's view. Gaming is a consumer dominated industry which is (sort of) calling the shots. Producers just churn out relevant content and hope people buy it.

Same with every creative industry. Ever bought a book at a yard sale? Well good job, because the author of the Nancy Drew didn't get any money from that sale. Used games are a bigger market in the vidya industry but the developers own doing. Like Nintendo and the Just Cause 2 guy said, stop making shitty games with 8 hour campains and people won't sell them in the first place. Think of how many games could have had 25-30 hour campaigns if they'd stop ham-fisting multiplayer into them. I won't trade my right to ownership because publishers forgot how control their budgets and make games people want to buy and not Frankenstein's monster levels of sewn together mechanics features that people don't want

If the producers are able to earn more money, they have more funding to produce more projects. Right now game developing is delicate ( Heck THQ, after a long and illustrious career in the game industry, pretty much went bust after Homefront ). You cant really blame the producers for this, since they are getting the short end of the stick.

All opinions are more or less unique. There is no "better" opinion because all of them are still valuable.

Just to reiterate, its not my problem if they refuse to take the steps necessary to make money like undercutting retail prices on digital games so people can't resell them. Day one price of $40 for new CoD? Well that'll certainly limit the number of people selling it and buying it used

There "opinions" that fuck the customers in the ass and there are ones that don't. I'm a consumer so I know who's side I'm on

Also that entire post reeks of bias. And bias = unreliable.

#dealwithit

As you can see, my bias against Microsoft isn't hard to justify

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

You can tell this thread is written by a teen. There's nothing "mindless" about the anger directed at MS for the XB3. And it's anger, not hatred. Anger, maybe disappointment. Like hatred, I'm sure they both lead to the dark side, but there's a difference. Anyone who has genuine hatred for the company or its forthcoming new console has issues that ought to be discussed with a mental health professional.

That was my thought when I first read this. Assuming that there has to be some kind of silver lining to anything without understanding that some things just suck screams high schooler logic

 

[Taurus Vis]

That is precisely what I am trying to say. People should at least bother to argue the merits of the Xbone, if nothing else but to prove it sucks in comparison with the other consoles out there. The situation right now is pretty much a one-sided argument, anyone with the balls or the GALL to consider buying the Xbone is literally being thrown on the proverbial pyre with the Xbone itself on the stake.

Wow, you make it sound like you're a hero for considering the Xbone. Here's the deal. Xbone has no merits. PS4 has marginally better hardware, better consumer policy, better used game policy (Example: You can actually have used games), a lower price point and has exclusives that match or exceed what Microsoft is bringing to the table (And I'm a Halo fan). These are the reasons that I'm jumping ship and buying the PS4 instead of a Xbone. Why search for silver linings when the grass on the other side of the hill is already greener? It seems like your having trouble justifying buying one for yourself, which may be the reason you made this post in the first place.

Also, it's not only the obvious positives that the PS4 brings to the table. It's about setting a precedent. We need to make it clear that game companies need to cater to us, not the other way around. We gave them the power by voting with our wallets on the OG Xbox and Xbox 360. However, if they abuse said power, we can so quickly take it away. I already have TWENTY friends I know that have put in their pre-order for a PS4, all of whom had previously owned Xbox 360. That is huge! I suppose if it is your prerogative to spend extra money on a very limiting console than it is what it is. But don't come here and berate us for raising legitimate concerns. Seriously, what if this backlash results in the abolishment of the DRM or used game policy? Than it wouldn't seem so mindless me thinks.

 

[Savagezion]

Yeah sure, the inability to share games IS bad. The possibility of the "big brother is watching you" scenario IS bad. The constant internet requirements IS a low blow.

Gonna stop you right there. Why in the world would I bother to look for a silver lining? You can share games you buy though, you just don't get to own them which is worse. I don't support paying retail price to borrow something.

 

[RogueportJack]

The Xbone isn't just bad, it's fucking dangerous. If the Xbone succeeds, then it sets a precedent that this anti-consumer DRM bullshit WORKS and that we're willing to put up with it. The only ways to fight this disturbing trend is to vote with our wallets and, more importantly, to keep reiterating how unacceptable their policies are.

 

[Something Amyss]

mindless hatred

I disagree with the premise that it is mindless. It's not just like we all decided "haters gonna hate." The outrage comes from Microsoft creating a console we don't like with features we dont'want and being utter douchebags about it. They've gone so far as to insult and alienate their base, and the backlash from that is completely understandable.

That being said, yes. It can go too far. However, Microsoft deserves most of what it's getting. The memes are an outcropping of this. The tweets and whatever else.

Microsoft is the puppy who just peed on the carpet. If we don't rub their nose in it now, they'll never learn.

 

[DracoSuave]

So thats it then? The Xbone is COMPLETELY worthless and not worth the metal its made with? Is that the whole point of the possibly hundreds of hate-threads on the internet? That....is disturbing. So far nothing in creation has ever been wholly negative. Even the Nazis, for all the abominations they have done, did contribute to the development of the first space rockets and their deeds formed the basis of the international war crime court.

I just refuse to believe that there is nothing good about it. There is ALWAYS a silver lining regardless how horrible the situation.

You seem to misunderstand the basic dynamics that are at play here. I am a potential customer and Microsoft wants my business. It is not my job to find a silver lining, it is their job to convince me that their product is worth my money. And all they've done so far is alienating customers, taking customer rights away, telling customers they're backwards for not wanting the product as it is, pretty much telling customers who complain that they're just to stupid to understand how awesome the product is. Newsflash: it is not the job of a customer to make an effort to like the product. It is the job of the business to offer a product that the customer actually wants. So it doesn't matter if there's any redeeming qualities of the Xbone and it's not our job to look for them. That's Microsoft's job, and they're not doing it well.

This guy, he nailed it.

I don't hate the Xbone. I just don't want it. They have given me no reason to want it. They've given me multiple reasons NOT to want it. More importantly, they've expressed no desire whatsoever to send the message to me that they even want me to want it.

Their entire PR so far has been 'This is the console, this is the rules for using it, and that's what you do for Microsoft next generation.' Meanwhile Sony's message has been 'Here's a bunch of reasons why you actually want to own this black slanted thing.'

Simply put, Microsoft wants me to know the rules I have to follow to use their device, but Sony actually wants my god damn money. They've been trying to persuade me to hand them my money. They have proven that my money--and how I feel about giving them money--is valuable and desirable to them. They've shown that they're actually interested in getting their box in my room.

Microsoft has not, in any way, attempted to actually convince me to install their machine. I don't hate them, but when a corporation does not express interest in your custom, does not express respect for your custom, and has even said that if you can't handle rules they have yet to properly justify, that they don't want your custom... well... people are going to feel insulted.

They are right to.

Because... they HAVE been insulted. And that is why the hate.

 

[AngloDoom]

I think if you're struggling to find something good about a product, to the point that you enlist the help of strangers, then chances are that product isn't good.

I've not even been following the upcoming consoles due to just having bought my first gaming PC and being tight-fisted, but that seems solid enough advice in general.

 

[shrekfan246]

I guess...you can play Blu-Rays and watch Netflix? But you need a smart TV to play it anyway, all Smart TVs already come equipped with the ability to surf the Internet and watch Netflix and such. And you can get a Blu-Ray player for a hell of a lot less than the x-bone.

Does the entire console require a Smart TV to function, or is that only for the extra TV features? (And not that I don't believe/trust you, but I'd love seeing a source for it too, if just to laugh even more at the ridiculousness of their decisions.)

If the entire console requires a Smart TV, that's even more people they've alienated... I for one only just got an HD TV last year, and it's certainly not a Smart TV (I wouldn't even know what those were if it weren't for people like Jim Sterling bringing them up every so often).

 

[TheCommanders]

For me, the biggest problem is a problem I've had with a lot of games and related services: they're holding features I want behind things they want. Example. Origin. There are a lot of game I really like (like DA:O) that requires you to get an origin account to play it (it used to be an EA account, but it got converted, I believe). As such, EA frequently boasts that millions of people are using and loving origin. No... actually you held the game I bought to ransom until I got an origin account. This does not mean I support origin. Unfortunately, there's no option to add subtext saying you are buying or using something under duress.

Getting back to the point of the thread, I feel like microsoft is doing the same thing. There are some things about it I like/want, like the voice control for, say, netflix, or the nice simple controller, or any of the exclusive titles. But if I buy it, my purchase will not indicate to them that I object to all the many stupid and blatantly anti-consumer policies that are being implemented with it. Instead, it will be used to validate them in the future. And I'm sick and tired of validating things I don't agree with.

 

[Lictor Face]

Hating anti-consumer policies is mindless hate now, really?
I know hate sometimes becomes a trend, but really?

 

[Wolfe M. Howler]

You know, I haven't heard a single "silver lining" from you, either.


To me, the entire Xbone is one mess of anti-consumer ideals, with a Orwellian bow wrapped on top.
I will never get the console, so why exactly should I be trying to find a good point to it?


Regarding the Nazi argument, the V2 rocket system was a mistake made during the middle of the war, only being truly used by the soviets AFTER the war.
A more apt parallel would the debate for the Nazi's horrific experiments on Concentration Camp Prisoners. There were many new discoveries made, but in the end they decided to destroy the paperwork, believing that "It justified the means."

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

So thats it then? The Xbone is COMPLETELY worthless and not worth the metal its made with? Is that the whole point of the possibly hundreds of hate-threads on the internet? That....is disturbing. So far nothing in creation has ever been wholly negative. Even the Nazis, for all the abominations they have done, did contribute to the development of the first space rockets and their deeds formed the basis of the international war crime court.

I just refuse to believe that there is nothing good about it. There is ALWAYS a silver lining regardless how horrible the situation.

I like how you started a thread to discuss rational reasons for not liking a console rather than crucifying it with mindless hyperbole, and then hit Godwin's law yourself, seven posts in.