Poll: Mindless hatred for the Xbone?

[TrulyBritish]

Oh no, a company goofed and some people aren't happy. We should do Microsofts marketing for them due to that because....

...because!

Even the Nazis, for all the abominations they have done

You know the defenders are desperate when they try to use Nazi comparisons to pretend Microsoft is unfairly treated.

I wouldn't mind, but his example didn't even serve the point he was making. It was "Sure the Nazis were pretty evil, but we got some good stuff!".
And then I'm just sat there going "Ok, doesn't mean I want the Nazis back though, and it doesn't excuse them of genocide and war crimes".
Similarly, I think the family sharing system sounds pretty neat, I like the idea of being able to share games over great distances but it doesn't mean I'm going to get it in the face of the rest of the anti-consumer policies.

 

[Abomination]

I don't like any consoles because they have exclusives that would run fine on my PC. I do not know how they go about getting exclusives exactly but I imagine it involves some form of back-room deals and money going from a corporate account into somebody's PRIVATE account. A device that controls what programs are put on it and can only be purchased through ONE company? No thanks, I'll stick with a system that allows me to do whatever the hell I want to it.

 

[WildFire15]

I'm wondering how well the whole thing would been taken if Don Mattrick was kept locked in a cupboard somewhere.

Also, if they want to emulate Steam more (which seems to be their ultimate goal, coupled with the possibility of maybe being able to trade in a couple of your Xbox One games) then they could let more indies in, which they don't really seem to be doing (not as well as Sony and Nintendo are, at any rate).

Seeing as the only game that's really grabbed me for next gen systems so far is The Crew, I'm sitting back and watching for now.

 

[Lictor Face]

Yawn now this is getting tiring.

To the chain of people whose reply is pretty much summarized with LOL UR OPINION IZH NAWT NEEDED CUZ U R NAWT TEH MAJORITEH.

This is a bloody forum for god's sake. And I believe this is the THIRD time i have said, if you cannot handle a new opinion on a topic, by all means pack up and leave the thread so i can have an easier time looking through the posts of the OTHER people who actually bothered to give me some material to look through and conclude my final opinion on this matter.

Your behavior DOES prove that at least SOME of you have the aforementioned mindless hatred.
If you are so incapable of recognising a different opinion, you are mindless or at least not capable of higher order thinking.

Take this joker for example.

Just because your opinion is the same as almost everyone else's, it doesn't mean you haven't made your own opinion. No one likes hipsters.

This isn't really about bias. I'm sure there's a lot of people who hate the Xbone because that's what everyone else does, but the Xbone really is genuinely bad. It's objectively worse for the consumer in virtually every possible way compared to the PS4. And aside from the launch exclusives, this will undoubtedly also impact the future game library for the console, unless they pull some miraculous recovery. Which is unlikely. There's just no good reason to have anything but contempt for the Xbone, because whatever positive qualities it has is so eclipsed by an avalanche of shit that they're barely even worth notice.

1.Oh damn you mean someone with a different opinion is a hipster? That is definitely news to me. Thank goodness everyone in the world holds the same opinion yeah? Oh wait...

2."But the Xbone really is genuinely bad" Back it up.Cite.Explain.

3. " Its OBJECTIVELY worse " Better google-fu the word objectively. It clashes heavily with your "hipster" point and "avalanche of shit"

I can count six un-cited and unproven and not even explained points. Pointless, worthless, go away.

Right, generally speaking , from reading all the other posts, people dislike the Xbone due to personal preferences and while there are positive points to the Xbone, the cons far outweigh pros, and until then, Xbone will remain an inferior hunk of metal to the other consoles out there. The hatred isn't mindless because everyone has their own reasons, they just happen to be common reasons.

Yes I think I understand. Thank you.

 

[Arcane Azmadi]

There's something wrong with that idea, that there can be "too much hate" for something that truly deserves it. As if there's a maximum quote of criticism that is allowed to be made about something and once it's met everyone has to just pipe down and keep their opinions to themselves. The thing is, Microsoft's initial Xbox One reveal was a fiasco, an embarassment, one of the biggest bungles in the history of gaming consoles and a quite offensive attack on the very people who made the Xbox a viable property. It deserves every single ounce of hate that it gets.

 

[Drops a Sweet Katana]

I don't hate it, mindlessly or otherwise.

I just don't want to buy it.

Dump me in this camp as well. I'd only be pissed if I was planning on getting it. It seems as though all the dumb shit they're doing is biting them in the ass anyways.

 

[NKRevan]

Even Ubisoft and EA have changed their stance on used games at this stage. EA by stopping it's online passes and Ubisoft basically said the used game market is a good thing.

Yeah...because we all know they will obviously never change their tune again when it suits their needs, right?

Except make games we want to buy at launch, offer good DLC and expansions and as Nintendo put it make games people want to keep. Instead they keep getting criticised for making every game ape Call of Duty and then sell nowhere near as much. They want to earn money? Actually listen to customers and give them what they want. Stop thinking games need such ridiculous budgets and stop thinking 6 million units is a failure. If 6 million new copies sold in the launch window is a failure then they made the game wrong.

Yes. Better budgeting needs to happen. Got nothing to do with "listening" to consumers. I won't even try to explain this here. It would take too long. Summary: Just because they don't always hit the nerve, doesn't mean they don't try their damn best to do so and there is as yet no formulaic design that can guarantee you success.

Well that's not true and if it were it'd be a good thing.

How is it not consumer dominated? Millions and millions each year buy CoD despite the loud forums claiming the game is a piece of trash. Who would you listen to? A bunch of angry guys on a forum, or the tens of millions who spend money on a product?

Without actually bothering to check if it's what people want then ignoring it when they find out it isn't and then sinking millions making it. Anything that makes the industry less bloated and retarded is a good thing.

This is so far from the truth it isn't even funny. I won't say that they always draw the right conclusions, but to say they don't bother to check is just ridiculous.

Then they should hurry up and make stuff people are excited for.

People seem to be quite excited about a lot of games coming out of E3. The market is growing. It seems like people are still kinda enjoying a large part of what this industry pumps out.

Haha yeah, games earn millions, even after used game sales you have to account for DLC and expansions. I'm going to throw my lot in with the consumer cheers.

Games also cost millions. And that is even if you budget correctly and don't overspend and everything. Gamers still get an unparalleled amount of entertainment for a ridiculously cheap price when they buy a game the majority of times.

That's actually just a lie people tell their kids. Informed, reasoned opinions are always better. "Tea is better than coffee" is equal. "I'm not getting my kids vaccinated because it causes autism" is fucking retarded.

It's not just the features that are the issue with the xbox. The real issue is their attitude to the consumer that has outraged people. "You're really backwards", "We're over-delivering on value", "we have an offline console, it's called xbox 360" constantly assuring us we'll understand when we try it, rather than trying to make it clear before I give them 500 bucks. Their attitude is fucking disgusting and that's why I won't support them.

Microsoft is evolving their console in a way that a lot of people find undesireable right now. Personally, I can't be bothered to have an opinion, because I am a PC gamer. Point is, you really can't know if it will work out for them right now. Sony is doing nothing. They do the same thing they have done for the past 8 years, no innovation, no change. Some people say that's good and that is their right.

But things change. And MS is betting on an internet based future for consoles. Is that the right way to go? Don't know. Are they communicating it right? Heck no.

Also that entire post reeks of bias. And bias = unreliable.

And you are completely unbiased, right?

 

[lacktheknack]

So thats it then? The Xbone is COMPLETELY worthless and not worth the metal its made with? Is that the whole point of the possibly hundreds of hate-threads on the internet? That....is disturbing. So far nothing in creation has ever been wholly negative. Even the Nazis, for all the abominations they have done, did contribute to the development of the first space rockets and their deeds formed the basis of the international war crime court.

I just refuse to believe that there is nothing good about it. There is ALWAYS a silver lining regardless how horrible the situation.

OK: It does in fact play games and probably doesn't commit suicide or actively injure the player, making it better than the Virtual Boy.

But your Nazi comparison is a bit too apt: Just because a few completely expected good things came along with the awful doesn't excuse a damn thing. There's a reason we don't celebrate Nazi rocket technology nowadays.

OT: If you read ANY threads on used games, internet requirements, Kinect or console prices from the last few years, the response to the Xbox One is so expected I could set my watch to it. It assaults literally EVERY consensus we've reached here that it touches.

 

[jnixon]

The xbox takes away almost all our rights as a consumer but OH GOODY A NEW CONTROLLER, are you stupid? this isn't mindless hate for no reason this is hundreds of reasons why microsoft are fucking you over it isn't mindless everyone has thought about how shit it is and is obviously annoyed...

 

[Gidiel167]

i was going to buy the new xbox before Microsoft started giving out details about it.I don't really share my games with anyone, and only rarely trade them in. Honestly the 24 hour check in and broadband requirements are what killed it for me. I will miss playing the next Halo game =/

 

[Zeckt]

You call 3 360 failures and 4 wireless controller failures mindless hate? no, I call it JUSTIFIED LOATHING! I hate microsoft so much that if I were at their press conference security would be escorting me out and banning me from E3.

 

[irok]

Its bad, I mean sure there are some redeeming features but the damning ones are numerous and huge, that and I hate it for what its trying to do , for what Microsoft thinks they can accomplish with it and for what it would say about consumers if it succeeds, no the bull shit box must die a horrible death.

Although , hate is a strong word, I have a mildly aggressive apathy for it.

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

The way I see it, the Xbone ban of used games is a plus for publishers. The boost from the sales could be used to prop up good discounts ( Similar to Steam , which i THINK does not support used games for the current generation of games at least [Dishonored and Bioshock Infinite come to mind] )

This is Microsoft we're taking about. They put advertisements on the Xbox dashboard which combined with Xbox Gold was a paid service. Their greed obviously knows no bounds and they don't have any incentive to give discounts. Even if they did, it would probably be more along the lines of keeping the status quo of $60 rather than pricing games to match inflation. You also seem to think that this will "boost sales" which would only be possible in magical infinite money land. People buy used games because they can't afford otherwise and cutting them out would only limit the number of people playing them. Besides, Steam has competition in terms of game download systems so their sales are a way to be competitive, and I don't care if I can't sell a game when I bought it for $5 in the first place (seriously, the Witcher 1 and 2 were in a bundle for $6 the other day)

Besides, we are the consumers. Gamers are literally the sole providence of the gaming industry ( Excluding bigger and wider conglomerates like microsoft and pointing towards more indie developers ). If we want to bypass the act of paying money but still play games , we are essentially sticking the finger to the gaming industry (which can't do a thing). I don't blame producers for sharing microsoft's view. Gaming is a consumer dominated industry which is (sort of) calling the shots. Producers just churn out relevant content and hope people buy it.

Same with every creative industry. Ever bought a book at a yard sale? Well good job, because the author of the Nancy Drew didn't get any money from that sale. Used games are a bigger market in the vidya industry but the developers own doing. Like Nintendo and the Just Cause 2 guy said, stop making shitty games with 8 hour campains and people won't sell them in the first place. Think of how many games could have had 25-30 hour campaigns if they'd stop ham-fisting multiplayer into them. I won't trade my right to ownership because publishers forgot how control their budgets and make games people want to buy and not Frankenstein's monster levels of sewn together mechanics features that people don't want

If the producers are able to earn more money, they have more funding to produce more projects. Right now game developing is delicate ( Heck THQ, after a long and illustrious career in the game industry, pretty much went bust after Homefront ). You cant really blame the producers for this, since they are getting the short end of the stick.

All opinions are more or less unique. There is no "better" opinion because all of them are still valuable.

Just to reiterate, its not my problem if they refuse to take the steps necessary to make money like undercutting retail prices on digital games so people can't resell them. Day one price of $40 for new CoD? Well that'll certainly limit the number of people selling it and buying it used

There "opinions" that fuck the customers in the ass and there are ones that don't. I'm a consumer so I know who's side I'm on

Also that entire post reeks of bias. And bias = unreliable.

#dealwithit

As you can see, my bias against Microsoft isn't hard to justify

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

You can tell this thread is written by a teen. There's nothing "mindless" about the anger directed at MS for the XB3. And it's anger, not hatred. Anger, maybe disappointment. Like hatred, I'm sure they both lead to the dark side, but there's a difference. Anyone who has genuine hatred for the company or its forthcoming new console has issues that ought to be discussed with a mental health professional.

That was my thought when I first read this. Assuming that there has to be some kind of silver lining to anything without understanding that some things just suck screams high schooler logic

 

[Taurus Vis]

That is precisely what I am trying to say. People should at least bother to argue the merits of the Xbone, if nothing else but to prove it sucks in comparison with the other consoles out there. The situation right now is pretty much a one-sided argument, anyone with the balls or the GALL to consider buying the Xbone is literally being thrown on the proverbial pyre with the Xbone itself on the stake.

Wow, you make it sound like you're a hero for considering the Xbone. Here's the deal. Xbone has no merits. PS4 has marginally better hardware, better consumer policy, better used game policy (Example: You can actually have used games), a lower price point and has exclusives that match or exceed what Microsoft is bringing to the table (And I'm a Halo fan). These are the reasons that I'm jumping ship and buying the PS4 instead of a Xbone. Why search for silver linings when the grass on the other side of the hill is already greener? It seems like your having trouble justifying buying one for yourself, which may be the reason you made this post in the first place.

Also, it's not only the obvious positives that the PS4 brings to the table. It's about setting a precedent. We need to make it clear that game companies need to cater to us, not the other way around. We gave them the power by voting with our wallets on the OG Xbox and Xbox 360. However, if they abuse said power, we can so quickly take it away. I already have TWENTY friends I know that have put in their pre-order for a PS4, all of whom had previously owned Xbox 360. That is huge! I suppose if it is your prerogative to spend extra money on a very limiting console than it is what it is. But don't come here and berate us for raising legitimate concerns. Seriously, what if this backlash results in the abolishment of the DRM or used game policy? Than it wouldn't seem so mindless me thinks.

 

[Savagezion]

Yeah sure, the inability to share games IS bad. The possibility of the "big brother is watching you" scenario IS bad. The constant internet requirements IS a low blow.

Gonna stop you right there. Why in the world would I bother to look for a silver lining? You can share games you buy though, you just don't get to own them which is worse. I don't support paying retail price to borrow something.

 

[RogueportJack]

The Xbone isn't just bad, it's fucking dangerous. If the Xbone succeeds, then it sets a precedent that this anti-consumer DRM bullshit WORKS and that we're willing to put up with it. The only ways to fight this disturbing trend is to vote with our wallets and, more importantly, to keep reiterating how unacceptable their policies are.

 

[Something Amyss]

mindless hatred

I disagree with the premise that it is mindless. It's not just like we all decided "haters gonna hate." The outrage comes from Microsoft creating a console we don't like with features we dont'want and being utter douchebags about it. They've gone so far as to insult and alienate their base, and the backlash from that is completely understandable.

That being said, yes. It can go too far. However, Microsoft deserves most of what it's getting. The memes are an outcropping of this. The tweets and whatever else.

Microsoft is the puppy who just peed on the carpet. If we don't rub their nose in it now, they'll never learn.

 

[DracoSuave]

So thats it then? The Xbone is COMPLETELY worthless and not worth the metal its made with? Is that the whole point of the possibly hundreds of hate-threads on the internet? That....is disturbing. So far nothing in creation has ever been wholly negative. Even the Nazis, for all the abominations they have done, did contribute to the development of the first space rockets and their deeds formed the basis of the international war crime court.

I just refuse to believe that there is nothing good about it. There is ALWAYS a silver lining regardless how horrible the situation.

You seem to misunderstand the basic dynamics that are at play here. I am a potential customer and Microsoft wants my business. It is not my job to find a silver lining, it is their job to convince me that their product is worth my money. And all they've done so far is alienating customers, taking customer rights away, telling customers they're backwards for not wanting the product as it is, pretty much telling customers who complain that they're just to stupid to understand how awesome the product is. Newsflash: it is not the job of a customer to make an effort to like the product. It is the job of the business to offer a product that the customer actually wants. So it doesn't matter if there's any redeeming qualities of the Xbone and it's not our job to look for them. That's Microsoft's job, and they're not doing it well.

This guy, he nailed it.

I don't hate the Xbone. I just don't want it. They have given me no reason to want it. They've given me multiple reasons NOT to want it. More importantly, they've expressed no desire whatsoever to send the message to me that they even want me to want it.

Their entire PR so far has been 'This is the console, this is the rules for using it, and that's what you do for Microsoft next generation.' Meanwhile Sony's message has been 'Here's a bunch of reasons why you actually want to own this black slanted thing.'

Simply put, Microsoft wants me to know the rules I have to follow to use their device, but Sony actually wants my god damn money. They've been trying to persuade me to hand them my money. They have proven that my money--and how I feel about giving them money--is valuable and desirable to them. They've shown that they're actually interested in getting their box in my room.

Microsoft has not, in any way, attempted to actually convince me to install their machine. I don't hate them, but when a corporation does not express interest in your custom, does not express respect for your custom, and has even said that if you can't handle rules they have yet to properly justify, that they don't want your custom... well... people are going to feel insulted.

They are right to.

Because... they HAVE been insulted. And that is why the hate.

 

[AngloDoom]

I think if you're struggling to find something good about a product, to the point that you enlist the help of strangers, then chances are that product isn't good.

I've not even been following the upcoming consoles due to just having bought my first gaming PC and being tight-fisted, but that seems solid enough advice in general.