Poll: Miscarriage: A capital offense?

[sheah1]

Blaming a grieving mother for something she had no control over and probably feels near suicidal about. Perfect!
Holy Sweet Jesus that dude must be mentally ill.

 

[Divine Miss Bee]

women have miscarriages for reasons they can't control all the time. it could never be punishable by law, because it's so common that said law could never be enforced.

 

[8bitlove2a03]

Where do you draw the line though, what if someone didn't know they were pregnant for, say 14 weeks, (this is more commen than you think) and got so drunk every weekend she lost the baby?

Two things.

First, I'd like you to site your statistic about how many women go 14 weeks before realizing they're pregnant.

Secondly, while it would certainly be tragic I don't think the potential-mother would be at fault. I'm sure that in some states you may get a manslaughter charge, but I don't know how many jurists would convict a woman who unknowingly killed her would-be child (particularly if she's all broken up about it).

 

[Macgyvercas]

General Sherman! Burn these bastards! You didn't do a good enough job last time!

OT: Oh, real smart, Georgia. Like it makes ANY sense to punish someone for some thing that they have absolutely no control over. Miscarriages are a spontaneous event, not one you can premeditate.

 

[Drummie666]

How many pregnancies end in miscarriage? 1 in 4? Yes, let's kill close to one fourth of the female population.

 

[WorldCritic]

What the fuck? Even in the U.S. this is a ridiculous idea. This makes me think even less of Georgia.

 

[eljawa]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/antiabortion-georgia-lawm_n_827340.html this site explains the law better. Essentially it is an anti abortion law...but it is too vaguely worded to be a good law. Granted im still against it because im pro choice. Huzzah

 

[TheTygerfire]

Forcing a miscarriage should be illegal, but not miscarriages in general. That's silly.

And yes, Georgia is nothing but a redneck hick state that us classy people in Washington look down on. We gave the world Grunge, they gave us gingivitis.

Sorry bout your home state, AJ Styles.

You must not have heard AJ's promos in the indies, from what I've seen he fits right in with the majority of the state.

On topic. Miscarriages that are your own damned fault and could have been avoided are wrong and you should be punished for being so stupid as to cause it (edit: just to be clearer I mean ones the mothers bring on themselves with drugs, etc), but making them ALL illegal? Really? REALLY? /miz

Both my mother and grandmother had miscarriages in there last pregnancies, and having them both go on trial for something they didn't cause or want to happen would have devastated our family if it weren't for the prospect of the death penalty.

 

[FamoFunk]

Where do you draw the line though, what if someone didn't know they were pregnant for, say 14 weeks, (this is more commen than you think) and got so drunk every weekend she lost the baby?

Two things.

First, I'd like you to site your statistic about how many women go 14 weeks before realizing they're pregnant.

Secondly, while it would certainly be tragic I don't think the potential-mother would be at fault. I'm sure that in some states you may get a manslaughter charge, but I don't know how many jurists would convict a woman who unknowingly killed her would-be child (particularly if she's all broken up about it).

Just do a quick Google search and go onto baby sites and baby forums.

Not every woman's period stop straight away and not all get the symptons, when I was pregnant I had no symptons and no bump until about 28 weeks. Luckly, my periods stopped which told me to take a test.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

It would most likely be used to punish mothers who miscarry through drug or alcohol abuse.

Now THAT sounds like a crime.

Yeah I'd personally say that recklessly endangering your baby's life for hedonistic purposes is a crime, a pretty nasty one at that.

But my main point is that people really need a checklist before they start bashing a law, something like:

1. Do I actually understand this law?
2. Am I living in a comic book? (seriously)
3. What is this law designed to do?
4. Is my source lying? (in this case incidentally it's 'yes'. Well, it's a lie by omission)
5. Do I actually have the political and legal knowledge I need?

Not meaning to be offensive but most people on here simply do not have the training to understand legal thought. That's evident by the fact that the OP doesn't get the difference between one guy proposing a badly worded law and a huge conspiracy to kill women.

Just thought I'd quote this so more people would see it and maybe THINK for 5 seconds before deciding that the US wants to kill 1/4 of the female population.

Seriously, guys. Use some common fucking sense here.

 

[Lord Kloo]

Sorry for my language but who the fuck came up with this one..

Its not even like women miscarry on purpose its not their choice and rarely, if at all, their fault..
Its punishing people for losing a game of chance when the punishment was already loss..

If they implement this law then I will seriously consider doing something really... really stupid

Isn't this also really really stupid because the idea of using death as a punishment was to deter people from higher crimes and also to remove the incurable sections, this won't help if we kill the mother as well..
Secondly, even jail will be pointless as the idea of jail is to again deter and serve as retribution, now as I'm sure the dead fetus doesn't really need retribution then the whole idea of punishment for this is pointless..
Now, a pregnancy course and how to act whilst pregers might be necessary a few months down the line and only if the woman did something that could have caused the miscarriage..

 

[Nurb]

If abortion is legal then a murder charge would set precedent to make abortion illegal.

 

[Madara XIII]

Tragedy becoming an offence is a sickening thought.

That's the times now a days. It's sad to see it like it is though. Honestly sometimes you can't control whether or not the baby lives or dies while giving birth.

Then again reading this article I suddenly remember that it's Georgia.....nuff said.

 

[slightly evil]

-.- it's a lump of fucking cells, unless it can think, it doesn't count as a human

 

[icame]

Wait...what? If this is true that is completely retarded. But as others have said, it probably is a means to punish mothers who purposefully or unintentionally have a miscarriage by means of say, doing heroin.

That I could see, but the punishment couldn't be death. Maybe some jail time but not death...

 

[Madara XIII]

It would most likely be used to punish mothers who miscarry through drug or alcohol abuse.

Now THAT sounds like a crime.

^ This.

If you're pregnant then you should be held responsible for any damage you do to the unborn child by consuming alcohol or other harmful drugs. Or even trying to force one for that matter.

 

[Madara XIII]

-.- it's a lump of fucking cells, unless it can think, it doesn't count as a human

Well here I thought I was the evil ass. It's the principle of the matter. I think it means that if a woman is intentionally miscarriaging her child then it's a punishable offense or unintentionally by consuming harmful substances.

Either way it's still a potential life and removing it in such a barbaric fashion truly shows their stupidity.

Not saying that abortion isn't an option but honestly nothing good can come from forcing a miscarriage.

Now the penalty for such a crime, I really don't think it should be death. That's a tad extreme

 

[pubbing]

I will say this, I am a christian and I do believe in the bible as God's word and even I think this is the stupidest thing that I have ever heard.

 

[Haydyn]

Forcing a miscarriage should be illegal, but not miscarriages in general. That's silly.

And yes, Georgia is nothing but a redneck hick state that us classy people in Washington look down on. We gave the world Grunge, they gave us gingivitis.

Sorry bout your home state, AJ Styles.

You must not have heard AJ's promos in the indies, from what I've seen he fits right in with the majority of the state.

On topic. Miscarriages that are your own damned fault and could have been avoided are wrong and you should be punished for being so stupid as to cause it (edit: just to be clearer I mean ones the mothers bring on themselves with drugs, etc), but making them ALL illegal? Really? REALLY? /miz

Both my mother and grandmother had miscarriages in there last pregnancies, and having them both go on trial for something they didn't cause or want to happen would have devastated our family if it weren't for the prospect of the death penalty.

Has seen AJ Styles' indy promos, referenced The Miz, *checks name* Yay! It's TheTygerfire! (Haven't seen too much of AJ's indy promos, but he does have the accent.)

OT: Causing a miscarriage in a barbaric way such as alcohol abuse or falling down stairs should be illegal. However most, if not almost all miscarriages are accidents, and very tramatic. Any kind of penalty seems irrational, let alone being sentenced to death.

What gets me about this is that about 10% of this bill makes sense, the other 90% being insane. I'm wondering as to what the intentions of this man who conceived this are. Does he want to stop barbaric miscarriges, or is he just against anything that prevents the fetus from being born? People like this need to realize that they hurt their cause. Reminds me of my beliefs that Sarah Palin is actually a liberal impersonating a crazy person on the Republican side.

 

[SirDoom]

Just another outspoken politician trying to push through some random bill that will likely never even be voted on anyway. This sort of thing happens all the time. Nothing to see here.

Although the wording of this legislation is just horrible. particularly this part...

... so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event.

Technically, under this wording, there could be some insane restrictions placed on pregnant women. In addition to the no smoking/drinking/drugs thing, anything else that could be seen as harmful to the baby could also be prohibited. Things like coffee, herbal tea, potato chips, excessive exercising, going to places where you could likely be exposed to bacteria and diseases, getting in a car (which could be in a crash), etc...

In extreme cases, you would basically be stripping away all rights of the woman involved under threat of being charged with murder of her child should something happen.