Poll: New forum rules - Yay or Nay?

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subtlefuge

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HG131 said:
subtlefuge said:
I find it a little disappointing and almost humorous that people assume this is sort of a rules "beta." I know for a fact that there was a lot of thought put into this system, and that the staff and mods have been discussing it for quite some time. Don't assume that things will radically change, or change at all.
Enough outcry, and maybe they will.
I'm sure things will eventually change, but that would be despite the outcry and not because of it.

Tons of people are perfectly content with the new system, they just are being quiet about it. The only ones making a fuss about this are the ones who are angry. You see a massive angry mob where there are really just a few people shouting really loud.
 

Kurokami

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awesomeClaw said:
So, there´s been an update to the rules. If you haven´t seen it, it´ll come up when you try to post.

So anyway, what does the Escapist think of this new set of rules? Yay? Nay? Don´t care?!

Personally, i think the rules are just as good as usual, but the whole forum health meter thing sounds a little unfair. I mean, you can NEVER get strikes back? That sounds kinda impractical.

Let´s be hypothetical here: Let´s say a poster reaches the last zone before a ban, but decides he/she doesn´t like to be banned and stops acting like a twat. 9 months pass with plenty of posts and not a single infraction, but then, this poster makes one post that could be classified as offensive/jerkish etc. And they´re banned. I dunno. Just doesn´t sound fair to me.

I voted "Some yay". If they got rid of the "Forum health meter" i´d be good. I don´t think infractions should be measured in this way.
Can always make a new account, and let's face it, you would have had to have been a jerk to get to that point in the first place.
 

Loop Stricken

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Kurokami said:
Can always make a new account, and let's face it, you would have had to have been a jerk to get to that point in the first place.
No, because that's against the rules.
 

Lancer723

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I lurk too heavily for this to really be a major concern.

Basically if you act like a dick you get banned.

Don't act like a dick, don't get banned.

Same as always.
 

Jaime_Wolf

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The lack of a term on punishments seems a bit gratuitous, why not just make the period exceedingly long? Every year without an infraction, kick people down a level. Surely that wouldn't be too bad. That said, moderation here is pretty good, so I don't expect to ever be on the wrong end of the rules, even if I do think they're too harsh.

The part I just don't understand, however, is how ad-blockers got lumped into "illegal or adult material". They are very definitely neither. I'd be okay with them saying that we shouldn't advocate for them or link to them because obviously it's best for the Escapist if people aren't using them, but lumping them in with "illegal or adult material" seems pretty hamfisted.
 

Therumancer

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awesomeClaw said:
So, there´s been an update to the rules. If you haven´t seen it, it´ll come up when you try to post.

So anyway, what does the Escapist think of this new set of rules? Yay? Nay? Don´t care?!

Personally, i think the rules are just as good as usual, but the whole forum health meter thing sounds a little unfair. I mean, you can NEVER get strikes back? That sounds kinda impractical.

Let´s be hypothetical here: Let´s say a poster reaches the last zone before a ban, but decides he/she doesn´t like to be banned and stops acting like a twat. 9 months pass with plenty of posts and not a single infraction, but then, this poster makes one post that could be classified as offensive/jerkish etc. And they´re banned. I dunno. Just doesn´t sound fair to me.

I voted "Some yay". If they got rid of the "Forum health meter" i´d be good. I don´t think infractions should be measured in this way.
The forum rules are fine, it's all common sense stuff you'd find anywhere from what I read.

I had an issue with the "health meter" this morning when I found out I was in the yellow right from the start, and spoke to Spinwhiz and got it straightened out, so they are being quite reasonable about it.

As far as not getting "strikes" back, well you'll find that most places with moderation keep track of your behavior, and act off the cuff. At least they're tracking this and creating a non-subjective standard instead of "some mod decided you needed a permaban".

I would like to see a system where strikes would erode after a period of time, especially seeing as you can't get badges when you hit yellow apparently, but I can also see how that could be abused. If it was a system like an employer used and your "points" disappeared after so long, then you might very well see users being obnoxious, waiting for a strike to come off, and then doing it again, and then if questioned about their routine behavior pointing to the health bar and go "har har, you can't ban me without making a joke out of your whole system" assuming the guy hadn't done something undeniably worth an insta-ban.

I try hard to be on my best behavior, so despite some initial alarm (which I won't go into detail on) I don't imagine having many problems under the current system.

Removing strikes would be a nice idea, but it would be tricky to implement in order to avoid abuse. I can't see a way to make it work. I don't plan to have any problems here, but with the time I put in on this site, I do admit the mere thought of getting irreversible marks and getting banned disturbs me... but what alternative is there if your going to keep order on the forums? I mean you have to do something, and if people don't take the moderation seriously, you might as well not have it, and I don't think anyone wants that kind of chaos.
 

Geo Da Sponge

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Jaime_Wolf said:
The lack of a term on punishments seems a bit gratuitous, why not just make the period exceedingly long? Every year without an infraction, kick people down a level. Surely that wouldn't be too bad. That said, moderation here is pretty good, so I don't expect to ever be on the wrong end of the rules, even if I do think they're too harsh.
Yeah, I wouldn't even mind having to wait a year to go down a single warning level. It's not that people really need to lower the level, I just don't much like the idea that the moderators never forgive anything.
 
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Kwaren said:
I vote nay.
Don't you mean neigh



Did you see what I did there?


(This is a joke, the person I quoted has a MLP avatar, and I am merely pointing out that his/her response being 'neigh' instead of 'nay' would have been a humourous pun. No offence was intended, any offence incurred is purely coincidental.)
 

Ilikemilkshake

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I dont really care, i don't plan on breaking the rules anyway so.
Although i found it funny that in the first set of rules under flaming, calling someone a troll will get you banned.
Yet the next rule is no trolling...
 

Small Waves

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I forgot to say this a dozen pages back, but I really do not like how your health bar is out in the out for all to see, or even visible for the user to see. I would rather not know how close I am to being permabanned and having to dumb down or even avoid posting my opinion just because I could suffer the wrath of some mod who is having a bad day.

A message board should be a place to share opinions, NOT a minefield.
 

RedEyesBlackGamer

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Spinwhiz said:
The new rules are created based on a lot of feedback from the community over a large amount of time. They actually haven't changed as much as updated as per members' request. Now we just give examples which again, members asked for.

As for seeing warnings and probations get erased, currently it's not going to happen. We are holding people accountable for their actions and we feel 8 strikes is more than enough. 99.9% of the forum members don't have more than 2 warnings (if I'm not mistaken, 82% don't have any infractions). If people can't learn how to be respectful towards others and follow very simple rules, they won't be here for long. Everyone has a bad day but even off of the internet, if you do something stupid on that bad day, you are held accountable. The same goes for The Escapist forums.

As for the forum health bars, we were tired of hearing "why did this person only get a warning and this other person get a suspension?" Well, now you can tell because we've laid it out for you.

I'm not saying there won't be changes in the future but at this time this is what we are sticking with.
We both know that statistic is largely inflated by inactive posters/accounts. The new rules seem to discourage discussion because, now, a mistake is there forever.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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Daystar Clarion said:
Kwaren said:
I vote nay.
Don't you mean neigh



Did you see what I did there?


(This is a joke, the person I quoted has a MLP avatar, and I am merely pointing out that his/her response being 'neigh' instead of 'nay' would have been a humourous pun. No offence was intended, any offence incurred is purely coincidental.)
Sir, I am OFFENDED by such a remark! *Takes off gloves and smacks you in the face* A duel, good sir!

OT: Don't really mind them. I don?t use adblock (nor do I want to), I don?t pirate things, use drugs, or own CP, so I think I am safe thus far. I have not gotten a warning yet, and I really want the Neo badge, so I think I will be a good little boy.
 
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CM156 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Kwaren said:
I vote nay.
Don't you mean neigh



Did you see what I did there?


(This is a joke, the person I quoted has a MLP avatar, and I am merely pointing out that his/her response being 'neigh' instead of 'nay' would have been a humourous pun. No offence was intended, any offence incurred is purely coincidental.)
Sir, I am OFFENDED by such a remark! *Takes off gloves and smacks you in the face* A duel, good sir!

OT: Don't really mind them. I don?t use adblock (nor do I want to), I don?t pirate things, use drugs, or own CP, so I think I am safe thus far. I have not gotten a warning yet, and I really want the Neo badge, so I think I will be a good little boy.
I am offended by your offence at my offending you.

Reported!

(This is a joke, no offence is intended. Any offence incurred is purely coincidental.)
 

Epic Fail 1977

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The first rule - don't be a dick - has priority over all other rules and is vague to the point of making all other rules redundant. Given that this has not changed, I don't see how anything else has changed either. The mods can still classify anything they want as "being a dick" and doll out whatever punishment they feel like. Having a health meter just tells us that they do keep track of repeat offenders, nothing more.
 

Naheal

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Sevre said:
The moderation on this site is for the benefit of the users, site statistics show almost 90% of you have never gotten more than a few warnings, as a result you shouldn't have any trouble.

The 8 strike system is to make it easier for trolls to be banned, however the system won't be used against normal users in the same way. If you're on level 5 because you were a naughty child two years ago, we'll take the 2 years of quality posting into account.

Ultimately this system is new and we'll tweak it as necessary, it shouldn't stop you from enjoying everything this site has to offer, so don't worry about it.
You say that, but I hope you'll forgive me if I take a "wait an see" approach to this. This isn't the first forum that I've been on that has taken this approach to moderation and it resulted in killing the community, not nurturing it.

The rules themselves aren't bad. I'll give you that. Having the ability to view your own warnings/probations is nice, but the permanency of said infractions bothers me.
 

Bon_Clay

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Spinwhiz said:
That is why we give 7 chances. Don't think I'm trying to push you, or anyone else, off either. I completely understand where you are coming from as we've had this discussion internally before we could even think about launching the new penalty system and updated rules (which has been months now). We just feel that we do give chances, 8 of them, and those who can not hold it together for The Escapist to have to tell someone 8 times that isn't how you behave is more than enough.
My problem with that is I've had half of those chances skipped over. I'm in the yellow and I've only ever had one post break the rules. Never got any warnings, it was straight to probation the first time. So now anything I do is automatically a suspension, and even though that was quite a long time ago I'm 3 away from a permanent ban.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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Daystar Clarion said:
CM156 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Kwaren said:
I vote nay.
Don't you mean neigh



Did you see what I did there?


(This is a joke, the person I quoted has a MLP avatar, and I am merely pointing out that his/her response being 'neigh' instead of 'nay' would have been a humourous pun. No offence was intended, any offence incurred is purely coincidental.)
Sir, I am OFFENDED by such a remark! *Takes off gloves and smacks you in the face* A duel, good sir!

OT: Don't really mind them. I don?t use adblock (nor do I want to), I don?t pirate things, use drugs, or own CP, so I think I am safe thus far. I have not gotten a warning yet, and I really want the Neo badge, so I think I will be a good little boy.
I am offended by your offence at my offending you.

Reported!

(This is a joke, no offence is intended. Any offence incurred is purely coincidental.)
And I'm offended by your offense at my offense at your offense.
I... I think we just pulled an Inception...

OT:?
Offensive Posts
Please read what you wrote before you post it and think if anyone else could find it offensive
Just wondering: If I were to post something offensive, like ?All kittens should be banned?, but can back it up with fact, does it still count? Small question, but likely I can find someone to be offended by anything