Poll: Physical Punishment Towards Children, Yay or Nay?
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Like almost ANYTHING else, people can take it too far. But I think that discipline is something that is sorely lacking in our society. Children are generally obnoxious, entitled twats nowadays because there are so few consequences for their actions, especially at school. The US is dropping quickly in education, and it's not entirely because of a lack of funding (I could make the argument that the schools get quite enough, but just spend it on stupid crap like "smart" boards, but that's another argument), it's also because they have absolutely no power over the students. I went to a private school, and the principal was allowed to paddle students who acted up. As you can imagine, it didn't happen often. No one wanted the paddling or the ultimate shame that came with it. Public punishment is a heck of a tool.
Return the power of just punishment to the schools, and our education system will improve in no time. Return it to parents, without fear of idiotic lawsuits or bogus assault charges, and maybe kids will stop being such insufferable jerks.
Return the power of just punishment to the schools, and our education system will improve in no time. Return it to parents, without fear of idiotic lawsuits or bogus assault charges, and maybe kids will stop being such insufferable jerks.
Pretty much this.unoleian said:
/Mind you, i dont like children, so i dont think the foul creature should have been spawned anyway.
I can see that, too. However, I believe it all boils down to the child themselves. My parents spanked me when I was little and deserved it and most of my friends were never physically punished. We all turned out alright. We go to a good school, aren't in trouble with the law, don't do drugs. Since my parents disciplined me and I couldn't walk all over them, I turned out better for it and was able to associate with the friends I have now (and I guess my friends are just inherently better people xD). My point is, we should discipline the children that need it and not treat them all as some collectively good or bad entity. Each child reacts differently to physical discipline. Also that some children DO need physical discipline to learn.orangeban said:
Though, I can see your logic and it does make sense.
Well I never got a smack as a child, and I'm pretty sure I turned out fine so...
Really though, it's less about the punishment, more about how the parent initially teaches the child right from wrong, and how well they are raised. My parents were never a bad influence to me, my dad used to smoke out the door (we have a 2-part door) so I never noticed, and none of the fumes got into the house, and my mum has always let me have the freedom of making my own choices, without being too lenient.
Really though, it's less about the punishment, more about how the parent initially teaches the child right from wrong, and how well they are raised. My parents were never a bad influence to me, my dad used to smoke out the door (we have a 2-part door) so I never noticed, and none of the fumes got into the house, and my mum has always let me have the freedom of making my own choices, without being too lenient.
I'm just trying to not be a hypocrite. I think it's a parent's responsibility to say whether a child can play a video game or see a movie, not the Supreme Court's, and I think it should apply to disciplining a child as well.
There is a very specific group in society that I feel is in need of physical punishment. First, let me make a few things clear about my point of view.
1. Physical punishment should never be used on a child under the age of 10, regardless of circumstance. Studies have shown that violent discipline against very young children can be seriously damaging to their mental development. They need coaxing to help them understand why what they are doing is wrong.
2. It should not be used all the time. Punishing something like a teenager forgetting their homework with violence is pointless. This is often from genuine forgetfulness or rushing to leave the house and forgetting their work. This does not need physical punishment to correct.
Now to the point. The group referenced above is, of course, chavs. To anyone outside the UK who does not know what a chav is, I'll take a moment to explain. A chav is the kind of teenager who skives school to hang around bus stops smoking in a shell suit and swearing at everyone who passes by. They generally grow up in poorer communities, with parents who simply do not give a fuck. They are usually uneducated due to the fact that they attend school about once a year.
Despite this, most chavs believe that they are the single most amazing person on the planet, and that everyone else is so inferior that they should feel graced to be in their presence. They act like this because, now that using violence to discipline children has been made illegal in Britain, they believe that nothing can touch them. This illusion is ended when their parents kick them out, and they find themselves either unemployed or in prison.
What they need, more than anything, is a good smack to let them know that people aren't going to take their bullshit.
1. Physical punishment should never be used on a child under the age of 10, regardless of circumstance. Studies have shown that violent discipline against very young children can be seriously damaging to their mental development. They need coaxing to help them understand why what they are doing is wrong.
2. It should not be used all the time. Punishing something like a teenager forgetting their homework with violence is pointless. This is often from genuine forgetfulness or rushing to leave the house and forgetting their work. This does not need physical punishment to correct.
Now to the point. The group referenced above is, of course, chavs. To anyone outside the UK who does not know what a chav is, I'll take a moment to explain. A chav is the kind of teenager who skives school to hang around bus stops smoking in a shell suit and swearing at everyone who passes by. They generally grow up in poorer communities, with parents who simply do not give a fuck. They are usually uneducated due to the fact that they attend school about once a year.
Despite this, most chavs believe that they are the single most amazing person on the planet, and that everyone else is so inferior that they should feel graced to be in their presence. They act like this because, now that using violence to discipline children has been made illegal in Britain, they believe that nothing can touch them. This illusion is ended when their parents kick them out, and they find themselves either unemployed or in prison.
What they need, more than anything, is a good smack to let them know that people aren't going to take their bullshit.
I don't see what harm a smack could cause, but it should be open palm on the bum or thigh, nowhere else. It should also be the very last resort.
My mum probably smacked me about 10 times as a kid, but all I really remember is the threat of it. As a kid I viewed smacking as the Ultimate Punishment, and I knew the warning signs and treated them as boundaries that indicated when I needed to stop my bad behaviour. In the end she didn't need to actually physically smack me, the threat of it kept me in line most of the time and taught me when enough was enough.
The older I got obviously the less she did it, and the less she needed to because I was old enough to feel that I'd be punished in subtler ways; making her sad, seeing that she was disappointed. I wouldn't have understood that stuff at 5, so a smack on the arse was justified.
My mum probably smacked me about 10 times as a kid, but all I really remember is the threat of it. As a kid I viewed smacking as the Ultimate Punishment, and I knew the warning signs and treated them as boundaries that indicated when I needed to stop my bad behaviour. In the end she didn't need to actually physically smack me, the threat of it kept me in line most of the time and taught me when enough was enough.
The older I got obviously the less she did it, and the less she needed to because I was old enough to feel that I'd be punished in subtler ways; making her sad, seeing that she was disappointed. I wouldn't have understood that stuff at 5, so a smack on the arse was justified.
Allow me to say that punishment is how my entire family was raised, and both me, my parents, my sisters, my cousins, my uncles, aunts, grandparents, and In laws of all varieties are all smart, fairly talented, and are, will be, or have been, active and productive members of society, simply because we all went through our childhood under the fear of being smacked sidelong. Meanwhile there are people I know who steep themselves in weed everymorning and don't give a shit about anything or anyone, including their parents.
oh hell yeah, its worked great for past generations, until no body did it anymore then you got us.
im not saying permanently hurt the kid but let the little fucker know who's boss....and keep him quiet in the grocery store damn it!
im not saying permanently hurt the kid but let the little fucker know who's boss....and keep him quiet in the grocery store damn it!
really? you never trained many dogs have you? when the little thing wets the carpet and stick his nose in it, if that doesn't work, spank him with a news paper.Nachtmahr said:
Ehmm I wonder is strict simple rules and the word "No" so bloody hard to use? If you manage to teach that no is really no and not "if you wine enough, yes...." And starting early is very clever makes it easier later on...anthony87 said:
Sure I were not an angel but when mum said no, well you learned that you might argue but saying "please" 50 times just made sure she would not change her mind.
Instead of hitting you make sure the kid understand what it can loose (the vegs you left for dinner you could get as breakfast, it is not very tasty, or sitting by the table for not eating them for 3 hours. It takes some time and effort but that was it, always ate my veg...). Scream in the store yea she would leave me there (still kept a close eye on me but I didn't know that)...
But I reserve, not the right, but the possibility of having to show force by a slap (not bruising or use of tool..) as the last thing.
But if you (as parent) step over that line you must be sure to face the consequences and making sure the kid understands the seriousness in what happened (and not just "don't do it again" more of "don't because you might kill yourself/other people and that is really wrong...")
you assume i'm breaking his back, you dont hit it hard. DUURRR!!Nachtmahr said:
all you need is one whack every time he messes up and he'll learn quick enough.