Poll: Really though... EA? Why?

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Sketchy

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I think the problem that people have with EA making the same game is that they could be concentrating on making new, original IPs, rather then the same game. However, EA is rich enough to afford all their sports games and new games.

I don't have a problem with EA at all. In fact, I made a thread a while back about how EA was just getting better.

P.S: Sorry about the shameless self-promotion.
 

Kontar

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I hate the unskippable EA logo at the beginning of all their PC games. It infuriates me.
 

DrunkenKitty

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ike_luv said:
sheic99 said:
olaffub42 said:
I completely agree with you, sure they have some bad games, but doesn't every developer?
They are actually a publisher.

The hate manly comes from their ungodly number of releases for sport franchises sucking people's money away from better titles.
Not to be a smartass, but EA are the kings of Sports games. Fair enough looking at ALL sports games, there is a tight competition, but EA have been doing for 15 years? It's the genre that has kept them alive!
He's not being a smartass. There's a huge difference between a developer and a publisher. EA doesn't develop many games at all, but they publish lots of them.

Developers develop games. They design them, code them, create art for them.

Publishers pay the developers wages while the game is being made and distribute the game once it's complete.

Mass Effect was developed by Bioware. Sims and Spore were developed by Maxis. EA publishes games for lots of studios:
* EA Redwood Shores
* EA Los Angeles
* EA Montreal
* BioWare
* EA Digital Illusions CE
* Pandemic Studios
* EA Black Box
* Maxis
* EA Phenomic
* Criterion Games
* Mythic Entertainment

You should know stuff like this if you want to get into the industry.
 

ike_luv

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Broloth said:
apsham said:
PersianLlama said:
Random argument man said:
olaffub42 said:
I completely agree with you, sure they have some bad games, but doesn't every developer?
What about Valve...?
I thought the exact same thing.
I think the bigger problem is people blowing Valve. A lot of what Valve has comes from the development community around them or the community around it. Being a smaller development group from the start allowed them to do this... and frankly I don't see what the big deal is with HALF their releases.

Sure, bravo to them for opening up doors and such... but Valve can succeed off making one product and supporting it forever. Larger companies can't.
As a World of Warcraft fanboy I'd say that Blizzard could continue to thrive for eternity on the Warcraft franchise alone.
See now, not to get at Blizzard, but how come no one's hating on them?! They're making more money than a country would know what to do with (I know, OTT) and yet STILL EA are being scrutinized...
 

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ike_luv said:
Random argument man said:
olaffub42 said:
I completely agree with you, sure they have some bad games, but doesn't every developer?
What about Valve...?
Ah Valve the Patron Saint of games. I guess looking into it, it is hard to find one they haven't done well, but... looking back passed Half-Life track record wasn't amazing. And history does in fact tell us, that when Steam was first developed... Gamers bitched hardcore about it! So then ANOTHER question would be, do we need to time to get over EA...?
-Ok, why is steam loved these days?

Besides, look at my previous post. Activision is the bad company in the mix.
 

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Indigo_Dingo said:
As I recall, they're also Valves publisher
Holy crap. Wikipedia says they entered a contract together in 2005, but I can't find any games that EA produced. Left 4 Dead was developed by a small studio that Valve bought and self-published by Valve. EA is listed as a distributer for HL2, but Vivendi/Seirra is listed as a publisher.

If you're looking for a horrible Valve game see Richochet [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricochet_(2000_video_game)].

Steam is awesome because they so frequently have good deals. I just got DoW Soulstorm for $7.50 and it's $29.99 retail. The games are linked to your account forever. You can delete and download again whenever you want. So you don't have to keep track of a disk or worry about it getting damaged.
 

PersianLlama

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DrunkenKitty said:
Indigo_Dingo said:
As I recall, they're also Valves publisher
Holy crap. Wikipedia says they entered a contract together in 2005, but I can't find any games that EA produced. Left 4 Dead was developed by a small studio that Valve bought and self-published by Valve. EA is listed as a distributer for HL2, but Vivendi/Seirra is listed as a publisher.

EA publishes Valve's console games I believe.

ike_luv said:
sheic99 said:
olaffub42 said:
I completely agree with you, sure they have some bad games, but doesn't every developer?
They are actually a publisher.

The hate manly comes from their ungodly number of releases for sport franchises sucking people's money away from better titles.
Not to be a smartass, but EA are the kings of Sports games. Fair enough looking at ALL sports games, there is a tight competition, but EA have been doing for 15 years? It's the genre that has kept them alive!

Who cares about sports games? They release the same game every year with minor tweaks. Tough work.


Edit: To the above person: I liked Ricochet.
 

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Blizzard and Valve are the best gaming companies.

EA is good however, they realease alot of generic games, I mean dead space, and the like are great games, Dead Space for its equation on how to make a scary game. I identified with, you are never safe....never!....

but compared to real people

Blizzard- Winston Chuchill
Valve- FDR
EA- Stalin
 

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PersianLlama said:
Random argument man said:
olaffub42 said:
I completely agree with you, sure they have some bad games, but doesn't every developer?
What about Valve...?
I thought the exact same thing.
What about Ricochet? I remember that being fairly lame. And yep, I had to stretch and try really hard to come up with a game.

EDIT: Darn, somebody already mentioned it.
 

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PersianLlama said:
Edit: To the above person: I liked Ricochet.
Really? I love Valve and can't think of another game I didn't like, but that really wasn't a very good game, in my opinion. Oh well, .
 

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Personally I have nothing really against EA (I'm a bit out of the loop on this though, I admit) aside from their god damned sports games. Madden 2010 will be the same as the original Madden for all intents and purposes, it will just look shinier and you'll get called something different while playing. Yet it will still be "best game of the year" or one of the best sellers or some crap like that. It's like Yahtzee's comment about how Mario/Zelda is the same game over and over and over except this time there's basically no error at all in saying all the Madden games are pretty much the same game.
 

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ike_luv said:
Knight Templar said:
They think its a good idea to charge us extra for parts of the game that are on the disk on release.
Microsoft, one of THE biggest businesses ever, thinks it's a good idea to charge us for EVERYTHING on the 360... no one complained.
Not sure what you're getting at, but I'm talking about when EA had extra guns on the disk for a game, but you couldn't use them untill you payed 10 bucks extra. Doing so would give you an edge over other players online.
Its just wrong, when I pay full price give me a full game.
 

ike_luv

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Knight Templar said:
ike_luv said:
Knight Templar said:
They think its a good idea to charge us extra for parts of the game that are on the disk on release.
Microsoft, one of THE biggest businesses ever, thinks it's a good idea to charge us for EVERYTHING on the 360... no one complained.
Not sure what you're getting at, but I'm talking about when EA had extra guns on the disk for a game, but you couldn't use them untill you payed 10 bucks extra. Doing so would give you an edge over other players online.
Its just wrong, when I pay full price give me a full game.
Ah ok, I guess what I mean is, Microsoft ask for money for the internet, when the modem's already there, and if you want wireless, which is pretty much standard nowadays, it'll set you back £60! Basically a lot of money goes into a 360, as much as EA's extras, but somehow no one found that enough grounds to boycott the console.
 

Knight Templar

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ike_luv said:
Ah ok, I guess what I mean is, Microsoft ask for money for the internet, when the modem's already there, and if you want wireless, which is pretty much standard nowadays, it'll set you back £60! Basically a lot of money goes into a 360, as much as EA's extras, but somehow no one found that enough grounds to boycott the console.
Well they have the right to ask for money for something they provide, but you've got a point. I don't totally agree but I don't dissagree.
 

ike_luv

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PersianLlama said:
Who cares about sports games? They release the same game every year with minor tweaks. Tough work.


Edit: To the above person: I liked Ricochet.
I am unfortunately gonna have to call you out on that one and say a HUUUGE number of people care about sports games. Not far off the same number of people who care about sports! And EA do them WELL, each year updating the roster and ensuring the players/clubs/teams are all included!

It matters as much to THOSE players as levelling up does to WoW players. It may not be RIDICULOUSLY hard to develop once the engine's built and the game's got it's general look in place. But it is still hard work staying on top of each sport they cover, ensuring that they're always entertaining their players!
 

ike_luv

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Ok, then here's a CRAZY theory for everyone.

Let's say EA, although a games company, don't ACTUALLY make games for gamers. They make games for the general public, who don't really mind how they are made and how they are published. So they made these games under the full knowledge that the gaming community would get pissed for making "shit" when in fact all they've done is market for the "regular folk" thus a) making shit loads from people who just want to be entertained and/or b) putting the quality of game in where it matters to their bulk consumer, not us, the gaming community.

This is only something that I have realised from reading through all of the responses. So please, if you disagree I am honestly open to discuss!
 

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apsham said:
I never get the EA hate.

Especially on games like Madden and their other sports series. What does someone get from bitching about that? I mean really, there IS a market for these games and there are people who are going to buy them all the time... the updates and small tweaks are welcomed to these people. I know them.. and for the NHL series, I am one of them. If you don't like it, then you're not going to buy the game.. and frankly, I don't see how its mere existence hurts you? Seriously, if it wasn't EA doing it.. someone else would be. There is a market, a huge one, for sports games.

And as far as other things go... who the hell cares? They put out QUALITY games, and a lot of them. If there are a few buggy releases from the start, that's only odds... it's going to happen. And as far as their business practices go... it works for them. I'm never going to condemn them for offering DLC... people are going to buy it, and for the most part... it's not going to hurt you if they do.
A few?
Of the minority of games that are released under an EA label that interest me, I find that every single one is bugged beyond the point where I can play it before it has had several hundred megabytes of patches.

-Command and Conquer 3: While it was an all round terrible game, I was still motivated enough to play through the single player campagn...Of course after completing the GDI campagn and most of the NOD campagn, after having multiple restarts due to random game crashes I decided it was time to put it away. Fixed after applying one of the patches that was released a few months after the game (also fixed several other problems)....NOT impressed.

-Mirrors edge, the physics is broken and the game regularly crashes, has not been fixed yet, although I haven't actively been trying to fix it.

-Crysis, various visual bugs, horrendus performance, broken textures and various glitches with AI and weapons passing through walls/falling through the map. Even with various patches it still didn't have multi GPU support, I had to use a third party mod. That's pretty piss poor.

EA may not directly make all that many games in house, but they largely own the companies that make the EA branded games they publish. They are responsible for rushing games to the finish, as well as money whoring expansions for games like the sims, even spore as extra content you can now purchase...why can they not finish the games to the standard they want it to be played before release? Do they really need to withhold things they see as necissary enough to introduce later? I'm sure nobody cares if they have to wait a few more weeks for a game, especially if it is working out of the box.

The comparison between Activision an EA is completely beyond me, the main man over at activision may not seem to care about games, but I'm yet to be disapointed by a broken Call of Duty game that I put in my machine. I still haven't seen them implement seperate (better) weapons for people who bought the special edition over the regular edition, and there still hasn't been a "Tony Hawks pro skater: Hot Date". I haven't been hit in the teeth by DRM so secure it literally stops me from playing the game I purchased, as I was with crysis, CnC3, RA3 etc.

Sure they do occasionally make a good game, but they seem to hate their customers. When they start finishing games before release I will consider retracting my hatred, however until then, death to EA