Poll: Security Guards V.S. 12-year old punk

[Agayek]

Beyond the "simple" degrading aspects of spanking, the practice of corporal punishment is more and more often linked to psychological disorders and aggressive behaviour manifesting later in life. This perverse perception of it as a legitimate means of discipline is little more than the product of people ill-fitted for the role of parenthood terrorising their children into a state of submissiveness.

I've heard people claim this all the time, and now I'm curious. Are there any actual studies to prove it? It wouldn't really surprise me, but I haven't seen any evidence to support it.

That said, if it really is true, it's far more likely that whoever was administering said punishment was an idiot and/or doing it wrong. Any sort of real damage is not the point, regardless of what people seem to believe. Sharp, short pains are incredibly effective at getting children to focus. Corporal punishment isn't "beat the lesson into them", it's "get their attention so they learn the lesson". The only proper way to do it is explain what they did wrong, administer the punishment and go over why it was wrong. Anything else is just bullying and abuse. It's just unfortunate that most of humanity seems to forget steps 1 and 3.

 

[Phantom Echo]

Did he do the right thing?

Hell no!


Why? Because this isn't about right or wrong. This is about a guy doing his job. His job is to keep things peaceful and orderly, like any good security guard. That means that punk-ass kids who walk up shouting and yelling and generally disturbing that comfortable peace need to get their asses knocked the hell down a peg.

He didn't do the right thing. He did his job.


That's his sole purpose for being there.

This isn't a moral issue. That the kids parents have somehow turned it into one is just a testament to how completely separated from reality the vast majority of the human species has become.

There was a time we were made of tougher stuff.

 

[Kingpopadopalus]

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He's twelve, guys. TWELVE! Twelve. Years. Old. I get it, children are often annoying online and it's fun seeing the assholes who ruin your multiplayer gaming experience get a beating but that still doesn't change the fact that we're talking about a child here, not an adult.

You two keep talking about common sense and how at your age you understood bla and bla but did you really? I mean here you are, at an age when you're supposed to have "common sense", condoning violence against children and you have the audacity to claim you "understand" what common sense is? Really?

A child will still grow to be an adult and the fear that is instilled in him will last with him forever, that said, fear is a much better preventative then some slack jawed parent who thinks their kid is perfect, I believe RWJ said it best "I don't know if you're aware but your kids suck ass..."

Also I've seen the product of dumb parents who won't crack their kid, its called a child named blade and he was expelled from school for violence.

An entire generation was raised upon "If you did something that made you deserve an ass whooping you deserve it." They turned out fine and are adults today, hell I wish I was one of them but unfortunately we've become so much of a nanny state that we believe age determines ability to punish, I say good on ya security guard, you have done the right thing by making sure that kid grows up with fear of doing stupid shit. I support the whopping of misbehaving child asses. My name is KingPopadopalus and I approve of this security guard.

 

[JMeganSnow]

I'm sorry but last time I checked, 12 year old's aren't adults and treating them like adults is fucking stupid and borders on actual abuse.

And what if the kid is violent?... Like in this case?...

He's 12. Think about that for a moment.

Getting taught to not be a prick is best taught at an early age.

If you actually believe violence is the proper tool for instilling certain values in children then congratulations, you're going to be an unfit parent.

And if you believe that the security guard should've just stood there, waggled his finger and said "Ah now, enough of that" then congratulations, your child is probably going to end up being a criminal.

If children are initiating the use of force against others, adults have the right (and responsible adults have the obligation) to use force to stop them. In general it's not necessary to use *violence*, because the adults are bigger, stronger, and more capable. Still, you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind. Don't like it? Don't be a pissant.

 

[UrieHusky]

Good on him, the guard was doing his job, the kid was being disruptive and the kid was trying to assault the guard.
So sick of people getting all PC and crying about adults teaching kids to respect elders and authority.
That kid and his friends won't be pulling that again any time soon.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

If the parents won't discipline them, someone has to.

 

[Nopenahnuhuh]

It's a stupid ass country then. It isn't abuse. It hurts certainly but hell even if you draw blood( and that is heavily over doing it and does in fact border on abuse) it wouldn't really do damage because of the way the ass is made. Lots of fat, no major blood vessels, or organs of any kind. I have in fact read multiple places where being shot in the ass is preferable to being shot anywhere else because almost all of the times an ass shot will just really hurt whereas even a shot in the shoulder has a reasonable chance of being lethal.


A smack to the ass with : hand, small implement like a leather belt, wooden paddle, things like that if used when deserved for anti-social and particularly disagreeable behavior when being told to stop fails to work. Is not child abuse. If anyone, be they: individual, organisation, or nation says otherwise they are both wrong, stupid, and contributing to the anti-social, hateful delinquency problem of much of the developed world's youth.

You can argue with me if you want but you are wasting your time as you will never convince me otherwise. Largely due to me seeing that children used to, on average, behave a great deal better decades ago than they do now. The main thing I noticed removed was physical punishment. Also it's parents not trying. You don't need to discipline your children if they behave to begin with or cease upon being told, doing so otherwise is abuse. However using it in proper cases seems to be one of the most reliable ways to both get a child to behave properly and respect authority.

Beyond the "simple" degrading aspects of spanking, the practice of corporal punishment is more and more often linked to psychological disorders and aggressive behaviour manifesting later in life. This perverse perception of it as a legitimate means of discipline is little more than the product of people ill-fitted for the role of parenthood terrorising their children into a state of submissiveness.

In my childhood years I (along with my brother and two sisters) was spanked silly whenever I pulled any sort of crap that utterly pissed my parents off. They aren't psychologically disturbed in any way shape or form and to this day have been very good parents in all, strict when they have to and lenient when it calls for it, and you bet your ass I'll do the same to my kids when they deserve it.

 

[Nouw]

This is what a security guard is supposed to. Stop trouble before it becomes worse. This works in both the short and long-term. I hope this taught the kid a lesson, so he doesn't do anything like that when he becomes older and is 'released from the protection of age.'

Also, a 12 year-old should know not to harass or verbally abuse the authority. The kid has some anger issues, I hope they're resolved. If he learns that he was in the right and can act like that whenever and wherever he wants, he doesn't have a positive future ahead of him. It reminds me of an incident I read in a fictional book. In the book, the authority failed to stop someone from doing something stupid. That someone got corporal punishment and was forced to leave the military he was training in. It's good to see that in this case, the authority did stop that someone from doing something worse.

 

[Xannieros]

@2:00 Kid struggled and kicked the guard. Guard took him down, and you couldn't see how hard. But he can't struggle as much on the ground, sounds like a reasonable action. Another kid moves forward. Guard takes out baton, and keeps the kid down.

Only thing I see wrong is that the guard may have taken the kid down too hard. What we didn't see is how they restrained him in the first place. Or what the kid did in the first place. I can't defend the kid. Kid was resisting, the guard was being harassed by another kid. It was an adequate solution.

To the people saying he's only 12 and defending him. PLEASE tell me you're not serious. You have common sense, use it. At that age you know how to act. If you don't, well you'll end up like him.

 

[Shycte]

I'm a bit shocked that people are for corporal beatings. A good parent never needs to beat their child.

Anyway, I'm off to bed, I'll look at this thread in the morning.

This attitude, right here, is the problem. So many people have a difficult time seeing the difference between simple spanking (and other forms of physical discipline) and beatings.

Spanking a child is not the same as beating them. Get it through your heads, please.

If you tell a child to go to their room (or stand in the corner or some other passive-aggressive nonsense) and think about what they've done, they're only going to think about how unfair you are and how they might avoid getting in trouble next time. Only a few children respond to this treatment, the rest end up like the kid in the video: self-important twerps with no respect for authority or consequences.

Funny thing is that you are wrong. Plain and simple. It is very possible to raise childs without ever laying a hard hand on them. Obviously you have to use force sometimes, but I can tell you that I know so many people in all ages, many of them around 12, that never ever been hit by their parents, and guess what? They aren't assholes.

What you are saying, "Only a few children respond to this treatment, the rest end up like the kid in the video: self-important twerps with no respect for authority or consequences", is a lie. It's not harder than that.

 

[Mekado]

Oh, the poor little unique snowflake, product-of-his-environment angry little unloved precious children, the world has failed you! ...so it gives you a complete license to be a dipshit to the world without consequences ?

Yeah, i don't think so.

You act like an ass, you get treated like an ass, end of story.The security guard did his job, and did it well imo.

P.S. Your mom lied, you're not special to anyone but her

 

[Shycte]

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I totally agree with that a parent you never ever hit their child. Again, sweden was the first country in the world to ban corporal beatings in the home. But! These aren't the kids parents, they are security guards doing their job and here's a shocker, you are supposed to obey security guards. If they jump you ask how high. Holding him against the wall simply didn't work as he countinued to resist, so he put him on the ground. As I wrote in the OP, the police investigated and found that they did nothing wrong.

 

[Skiisk]

Considering how I would have instantly punched the kid in the face, yeah I'd say the guard did the right thing and didn't go too far. If you're man enough to start sh*t then be man enough to finish it as well. And if the mother wasn't a good enough mother to teach this much then the kid is going to be in an awful lot of trouble when he grows up a little.

Your mommy ain't always going to be there to wipe your ass, punk. Stop being a pathetic snot nosed brat and deal with it.

 

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

Seems legit.

The guards did nothing wrong, assuming they had a lawful reason to take the kid into custody in the first place. They seemed quite relaxed and restrained actually. The second guard should have arrested the other youth who threatened to attack him.

So what I'm saying is the guards should have both done a coup de grace. Leaping 220+ lbs foot stomp. Rape via wiimote before or after is subject to discretion.

 

[Shycte]

http://playrapport.se/#/video/2558686
Justice preserved, thank fucking god. Would been so sad if the kid got anything out from this.

Hadn't seen that one, thanks for sharing.

 

[Yopaz]

Honestly there's not enough proof in that video to say if what the guard did was right or wrong.

 

[thedeathscythe]

...Mm, I saw actually nothing wrong with what the guard did. The kid was unsettling, kept giving him serious issues. It's one thing to taunt and mess with a guard, but when you're held by a guard acting up- you will be put down. He didn't beat nor use extreme force, he just seemed like to make sure the kid understood the situation he was in.

Even when the kid was in serious trouble, he kept struggling and dragged his feet when carried away. Obviously deserved it, not just because but failing to corporate through the whole thing. Also find it funny that the other kid kept messing with them, obviously thinking he'd get somewhere until going to far thus made him get into trouble too.

I agree. I always say "If you can't take it, don't dish it." If someone talks down to me, they can expect me to respond in kind. Treat others how you want to be treated, right? Respect is a two way street, and I think the guy handled it very well. What is he supposed to do, just stand there and take it? No, it's not his job to be a verbal punching bag. The guard responded well to a situation where the kid was unruly. Now, I don't speak swedish, so please don't quote me saying "I speak swedish and the kid in the video was only complimenting the guard" because then I will just look silly.

 

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

In the grim future, there is only war.

 

[AzureRaven]

I agree. I always say "If you can't take it, don't dish it." If someone talks down to me, they can expect me to respond in kind. Treat others how you want to be treated, right? Respect is a two way street, and I think the guy handled it very well. What is he supposed to do, just stand there and take it? No, it's not his job to be a verbal punching bag. The guard responded well to a situation where the kid was unruly. Now, I don't speak swedish, so please don't quote me saying "I speak swedish and the kid in the video was only complimenting the guard" because then I will just look silly.

Not sure if you caught the translation earlier in the thread, but the kids were using a lot of profanity and making quite a few death threats.

I watched it again...and seriously. That's standard routine. They're job is to prevent problems. If the kid was so uncomfortable then he should've stopped squirming and politely apologized and asked if they could restrain him in a gentle fashion. But if they had the respect to do that, then they wouldn't BE in this whole mess I suppose. I once again applaud the guy for doing his job so well without incident. Especially given the circumstances.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

My favorite part is when the guards bust out the asps, all of those teenage tough guys suddenly evaporated like a fart in a wind tunnel.

Sorry, but as a black kid growing up in America we learned real quick that cops can be your friends if you're in trouble, and your enemy if you ARE trouble. Either way, polite manners and an obedient attitude are far better methods of avoiding beatdowns and getting let off with a warning than running your mouth and being resistant. The majority of cops I ever met aren't actual 100% dicks 100% of the time.. just people with a stressful, thankless job. Either way, no sense in getting your ass kicked for youtube entertainment purposes.. if a cop is hassling you, my suggestion is just to remain as calm and polite as possible. If he's gonna arrest you, then let him. It's much easier to explain things to a judge later that night or the next morning after a bit of inconvenience than explaining it to him after a bit of inconvenience and a trip to the hospital for stitches.

And for all you tough guys out there that will immediately call me some sort of coward, I'll go ahead and pre-emptively laugh at you because you've either never really had a run in with the law or you enjoy doing EVERYTHING the hard way.

Either way, that's not the road for me, but thanks.