Poll: Security Guards V.S. 12-year old punk

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Arsen

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The fact that this kid is twelve doesn't matter. I was twelve once. I didn't do stupid shit like he did. Some kids at that age just want to act tough, are hitting puberty, aren't in control of themselves, etc. Some act better than others...

However, if there is one thing I want to point out...is that...well...

Where is the part when the security guard abuses the kid?
 

Grant Hobba

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The kid obviously was causing trouble, it doesn't matter is he is 8 or 80 if you did something wrong you are punished, trying to escape leads you to getting restrained. Kid these days have no respect for authority and I personally think more guards should crack down like this. They were threatened and acted correctly with professionalism.
 

SilentCom

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evilneko said:
Shycte said:
AndyFromMonday said:
I'm sorry but last time I checked, 12 year old's aren't adults and treating them like adults is fucking stupid and borders on actual abuse.
And what if the kid is violent?... Like in this case?...
Where was the violence from the kid?
He was kicking the back of the guards leg, given he was already being held. Of course, here's the opportunity for the little punk to be taught a little respect and humility. Maybe now he will grow up instead of acting like an immature brat.
 

Zhukov

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So what did the kid do exactly? That video starts after he's already been caught and cuffed. Saying, "He had it coming" is downright stupid if we don't know what he did in the first place.

As for what the video does show, I'd say the guard was being reasonable. He didn't hurt the kid or use excessive force. Although if he hit him with the baton (hard to tell from the video) then he should lose his job, that's a step too far.
 

Westerschwelle

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The kid got what was coming to him.
I swear people these days have no respect for authority whatsoever!
Not sure if it was entirely necessary but that's what you get for picking a fight with security personal.
He can blame no one but himself for this.
 

BarbaricGoose

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JdaS said:
My opinion: Kid had it coming, security used more force than necessary.
More force than necessary? The kid wasn't hurt--just humiliated. He got thrown (and I use the word lightly) to the ground, and he was being a little bastard. When I was a kid I got into much worse scrapes than that on my bike. His parents obviously failed to teach him respect, so he's gotta learn it somehow.

It's not like he was tazed or beaten with a nightstick; he was restrained after kicking & screaming at the guard. I hope the little shit learned a lesson, but somehow I doubt he did.
 

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AndyFromMonday said:
Shycte said:
AndyFromMonday said:
I'm sorry but last time I checked, 12 year old's aren't adults and treating them like adults is fucking stupid and borders on actual abuse.
And what if the kid is violent?... Like in this case?...
He's 12. Think about that for a moment.
Three years ago, at the campground my family used to camp at, a 13 year old threatened my little brother (6) with a bowie knife because my brother had the nerve to stick up for a little girl (5) that the kid was bullying, and I beat him up and down the campground for it(I was 16 at the time). Kids these days can be just as fucked up as adults, and I, for one, believe this kid deserved what he got. The security guard didn't lay into him, I doubt he was even hurting the kid much, he just had him in an uncomfortable position he couldn't get out of, to show him that being a little prick has consequences.
 

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fix-the-spade said:
Begs the question, why did they grab the kid in the first place, vandalism, shoplifting abusive behaviour?

They don't really do anything until he starts trying to lever off the guy's kneecap, which the guard is having none of (and good on 'im, getting kicked in the kneecap hurts).

That's kind of hilarious, dumb kid picks fight with security guards, gets ass kicked, world keeps turning.
From the looks of it...something bad enough to get him in handcuffs.. so chances are quite a number of things. Probably robbery. That kicking part is assulting an officer....soo GG on that dumb kid
 

major_chaos

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AndyFromMonday said:
Shycte said:
Sweden was the first country in the world to ban corporal punishment in the home. It is never acceptable to beat a child instead of proper raising. But, if someone acts violent against a security guard, they have to act.
I find it funny you're actually considering twelve year old's a threat to your physical well being.
a 12 year old sharpened a pencil, stabbed me with it hard enough to go deep and then pulled straight down opening a fairly large gash in my arm, and then then proudly declared "I wanna kill sumbody" so yes I would say that they can cause harm

OT: that guard deserves a medal, i,m so sick of kid running around public places and acting like disruptive little ass-hats and getting away with because if anyone tries to stop them the kid's parents (who up till this point couldn't be bothered to care about their kid) will flip out and call the cops
 

LiquidGrape

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It's a stupid ass country then. It isn't abuse. It hurts certainly but hell even if you draw blood( and that is heavily over doing it and does in fact border on abuse) it wouldn't really do damage because of the way the ass is made. Lots of fat, no major blood vessels, or organs of any kind. I have in fact read multiple places where being shot in the ass is preferable to being shot anywhere else because almost all of the times an ass shot will just really hurt whereas even a shot in the shoulder has a reasonable chance of being lethal.


A smack to the ass with : hand, small implement like a leather belt, wooden paddle, things like that if used when deserved for anti-social and particularly disagreeable behavior when being told to stop fails to work. Is not child abuse. If anyone, be they: individual, organisation, or nation says otherwise they are both wrong, stupid, and contributing to the anti-social, hateful delinquency problem of much of the developed world's youth.

You can argue with me if you want but you are wasting your time as you will never convince me otherwise. Largely due to me seeing that children used to, on average, behave a great deal better decades ago than they do now. The main thing I noticed removed was physical punishment. Also it's parents not trying. You don't need to discipline your children if they behave to begin with or cease upon being told, doing so otherwise is abuse. However using it in proper cases seems to be one of the most reliable ways to both get a child to behave properly and respect authority.
Beyond the "simple" degrading aspects of spanking, the practice of corporal punishment is more and more often linked to psychological disorders and aggressive behaviour manifesting later in life. This perverse perception of it as a legitimate means of discipline is little more than the product of people ill-fitted for the role of parenthood terrorising their children into a state of submissiveness.
 

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http://playrapport.se/#/video/2558686
Justice preserved, thank fucking god. Would been so sad if the kid got anything out from this.
 

Wolfwind

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Guard did nothing wrong as far as I'm concerned. He acted like a tool and started kicking at the guard, he was put on the ground. If people are actually going to be up in arms about him having to lay there on his stomach for a few minutes because he decided to be uncooperative, then they really need to stop coddling kids.
 

NezumiiroKitsune

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They were very professional about the whole thing, and I see no grounds for any further action to be taken against the security staff. The subduing was very expertly done, the guard was in control the entire time, and when the boy made contact with the floor, impact was negligible. It was his ego that was most severely hurt.

I don't know what he did of course, but the security staffs response wasn't beyond what I think their jurisdiction calls for.

The guards seem to maintain quite a steadfast and professional composure when being belittled and aggrieved by the other adolescents, so it seems reasonable to assume they have quite a tolerance for harassment against themselves (which is admirable strength of character). This would leave me to deduce the boy had caused grievance to other members of the public, unrelentingly, or, he'd been involved in vandal activity.

It appears he wasn't moved until replacement security could take over their post, while they took the boy into detention.
 

thirion1850

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So a retard kid decided to be a moron and the guard did his job. Probably. What was he held to the wall for to begin with?
 

Master_Fubar23

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AndyFromMonday said:
Shycte said:
AndyFromMonday said:
I'm sorry but last time I checked, 12 year old's aren't adults and treating them like adults is fucking stupid and borders on actual abuse.
And what if the kid is violent?... Like in this case?...
He's 12. Think about that for a moment.
Think about it.

http://www.coloradoconnection.com/news/story.aspx?id=588396
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=79583
http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-child-shoots-parents-070610,0,117319.story
http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-news-12-year-old-kills-mother-story,0,2148188.story

You must be insane since you obviously live in your own little world where everything is perfect or you?re trolling. Age doesn't mean shit unless you?re a victim. Don't like it? To bad. This is the world we live in. The security guard is in the right and anyone who doesn?t agree are rightfully so insane or trolling. The 12 year old wasn?t beaten like this person was below

http://www.policebrutality.info/2009/03/15-year-old-girl-brutally-beat-by-cops.html

Kudos to the security guard keeping his cool while being harassed by the prick who DID SOMETINHG WRONG to warrant being arrested, while being harassed by his friends who were probably just as guilty as he was, and not beating the shit out of the kids. All he did was restrain the criminal.
 

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kinggamecat said:
DarkRyter said:
Well at least that kid didn't get raped with a wiimote.
A bit too soon, but funny nevertheless, I tip my hat to you.
lol, nice.

OP: I'm curious what the first kid did, but he probably deserved it too.
Kids these days have no fucking respect for authority. I've had 8 graders tell me to fuck off.
When I was in school, I respected the grade above me, and that respect was heightened for each grade above them. You just didn't fuck with them, because they were bigger than you, knew more, and because you just didn't fuck with them.
They never gave me a reason to fear them, and I didn't, I just respected them because that was what you did.
But now kids have their mommies and daddies fight their battles for them, so they can be little shits.
Fucking kids >=/
 

Sparkytheyetti

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Bullshit, that little shit wanted to resist, he got what he deserved. A cop would do the same thing to someone trying to resist. People think that just because a cop throws someone down on the ground when their being unruly but not physical is bad. Total bull, someone mouthing off to a Leo just gave away the cops discretion to be nice. Best advice, you may not agree with it but shut your mouth and take it or you'll be in the ground too. Being tolerant will help you in the long run.
 

AzureRaven

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the guard did. Yea, he's 12. Well, better he learns the lesson now than later in life in a much tougher manner. Many of you seem to think he was being treated violently. They had him in handcuffs. He resisted, so they restrained him. The whip was a deterrent to let him know they weren't messing around. And as others have stated, 12 year olds are fully capable of using weapons.

I actually feel really bad for the guard. He did his job to the letter. But he now receives a shitstorm because this time the troublemaker was a poorly raised minor. Hope everything works out okay for the guy.
 

Agayek

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Zhukov said:
So what did the kid do exactly? That video starts after he's already been caught and cuffed. Saying, "He had it coming" is downright stupid if we don't know what he did in the first place.

As for what the video does show, I'd say the guard was being reasonable. He didn't hurt the kid or use excessive force. Although if he hit him with the baton (hard to tell from the video) then he should lose his job, that's a step too far.
The group of kids were found climbing around the outside of train cars in the metro I believe. Either in between cars or hanging off the side, and the guard told them off. They left and came back shortly thereafter and so the guards pulled them off and restrained the kid in the video when he got mouthy.