Poll: Security Guards V.S. 12-year old punk

[Liquid Paradox]

The only way I could see this being a problem is if the kid had literally done nothing to warrant the guard's attention, and frankly, that seems rather unlikely, given his behavior during the video. What I saw was a dumb-ass kid putting up a fight with a security guard while his dumb-ass friends called the guards on. Whatever the reason for the arrest, the kid was acting inappropriately, and the guard acted according to his training (that was a fairly gentile take-down, and the kid wasn't hurt) and his job. The guard did nothing wrong.

Meanwhile, the kid was probably crying about how he did nothing and whining like that so as to gain support from the pedestrians walking by... and it didn't work, because they could see that nothing was all that off about the situation.

As for people complaining about the baton lash... the guard did not hit the kid, he simply whipped it into the ground as a warning to the friends, who were moving in as if to help the kid. That was also part of his training, by the way.

So: the kid was squirming and kicking/pushing in attempt to defy the guard. The guard took him down with as little violence as his training allowed for (and indeed, that was a standard take-down), and only used his baton as a warning to the other punks. Why you mad, interwebz?

Oh, right: because children are above the law, and are allowed to do whatever they want with no real fear of reprisal.

Edit: After reading the comments, I now know more about the situation, and it's clear that the guard was only doing his job. Resisting arrest, several threats against a security officer, and finally, a violent attempt at escape. Sorry, but that kid is CLEARLY in the wrong. hopefully, any lawsuit goes through and the kid is made to suffer the punishment for his actions. Probably a fine. Unfortunately, his parents seem like morons, so he won't likely learn his lesson.

 

[Agayek]

Um, up until 2:20 I saw one guard holding some kid pinned against a wall for some reason I don't yet know. Then outta nowhere pins him to the ground. What in the fuck is going on here? Looks a lot like oppression to me, some kid being pinned to a wall by a guard and when the kid complains about it gets pinned to the ground for a couple minutes, his backpack searched, and then hauled off. I'd be pretty pissed too if that was my kid.

The kid was kicking at the guard holding him. It's not fully clear whether or not the kid was aiming to injure or just ease the pressure on his shoulder (my money's on both), but even a small amount of force can dislocate/break a grown adult's knee. It wouldn't have taken much to seriously injure the guard, so he swung the kid onto the ground.

Also, I didn't see anyone search his bag. The guard unzips it, puts a hat or other article of cloth into it, then zips it back up. No searching was done.

 

[Dracowrath]

Um, up until 2:20 I saw one guard holding some kid pinned against a wall for some reason I don't yet know. Then outta nowhere pins him to the ground. What in the fuck is going on here? Looks a lot like oppression to me, some kid being pinned to a wall by a guard and when the kid complains about it gets pinned to the ground for a couple minutes, his backpack searched, and then hauled off. I'd be pretty pissed too if that was my kid.

At two minutes or so the kid starts kicking him after making several death threats against the security guard, so the guard stopped him.

Didn't notice the kicking, and I don't speak swedish so I had no idea what was being said.

 

[Dracowrath]

Um, up until 2:20 I saw one guard holding some kid pinned against a wall for some reason I don't yet know. Then outta nowhere pins him to the ground. What in the fuck is going on here? Looks a lot like oppression to me, some kid being pinned to a wall by a guard and when the kid complains about it gets pinned to the ground for a couple minutes, his backpack searched, and then hauled off. I'd be pretty pissed too if that was my kid.

Except that they were stopped by guards since they were riding trains, and they resisted arrest. So I guess that is why the guard is holding him, then the minor starts to scream that he will fucking murder the guard and that the guard is a whore and more. At around 2min mark the minor decides it would be a smart idea to kick at the guard legs, so therefor the guard throws him down. Awesome that you would be mad at guards for possibly saving your kids life..

So, it's saving his life by arresting him for riding a train? Good thing I don't live in sweden then.

 

[Terminate421]

What is it with Children attacking adults all of the sudden?

What is this Children of the corn?

 

[joshthor]

No, the guard did not do the right thing. There was no reason to throw the kid down like that. Also was there no place they could've taken him, away from the public? Holding him there in the first place was a confrontation waiting to happen. Take him to the security office, or something and have his parent/guardian pick him up there.

if you watched the video it looked like there were about 5 kids circling the 2 security guards. they were clearly waiting for backup, which is why when the other security guards came they left.

also, while the kid may have been 12, 12 year olds kick hard. he clearly kicked the dude in the knee. he got what was coming to him.

 

[MrTub]

Um, up until 2:20 I saw one guard holding some kid pinned against a wall for some reason I don't yet know. Then outta nowhere pins him to the ground. What in the fuck is going on here? Looks a lot like oppression to me, some kid being pinned to a wall by a guard and when the kid complains about it gets pinned to the ground for a couple minutes, his backpack searched, and then hauled off. I'd be pretty pissed too if that was my kid.

Except that they were stopped by guards since they were riding trains, and they resisted arrest. So I guess that is why the guard is holding him, then the minor starts to scream that he will fucking murder the guard and that the guard is a whore and more. At around 2min mark the minor decides it would be a smart idea to kick at the guard legs, so therefor the guard throws him down. Awesome that you would be mad at guards for possibly saving your kids life..

So, it's saving his life by arresting him for riding a train? Good thing I don't live in sweden then.

Maybe a poor choice of words but they were going between the rail cars which is very dangerous.

http://www.thelocal.se/36574/20111006/

If you want to read a bit more.

"The incident took place last summer at the Slussen metro station after guards were called to deal with youngsters who were reportedly riding between the rail cars of the Saltsjöbanan tram line.

When the guards met up with the 12-year-old and his friends, the situation quickly turned heated.

?I climbed between the cars, and then went in again. Then they came up and said, 'follow us, don't resist',? the boy told Sveriges Television (SVT)."

 

[Agayek]

So, it's saving his life by arresting him for riding a train? Good thing I don't live in sweden then.

I'm not fully clear on the connotations here, but they were basically hitching a ride on the outside of the train. I believe they were in between cars, but I could be wrong.

Essentially, in such a position, all it would take is a single slip and the kid would be dead and the train would be at a serious risk of derailment, putting dozens if not hundreds more at risk. The guard was acting to protect the train, the other passengers, and the kid himself.

 

[Radoh]

Um, up until 2:20 I saw one guard holding some kid pinned against a wall for some reason I don't yet know. Then outta nowhere pins him to the ground. What in the fuck is going on here? Looks a lot like oppression to me, some kid being pinned to a wall by a guard and when the kid complains about it gets pinned to the ground for a couple minutes, his backpack searched, and then hauled off. I'd be pretty pissed too if that was my kid.

At two minutes or so the kid starts kicking him after making several death threats against the security guard, so the guard stopped him.

Didn't notice the kicking, and I don't speak swedish so I had no idea what was being said.

Hence my explaining the situation.
And to further explain, he was riding between train cars, he wasn't inside of it.

 

[BlazeRaider]

I think by riding a train he meant the vagrant style riding a train, where your holding on to the train from the outside holding on for dear life while it reaches ungodly speeds, very dangerous if its that method of riding a train.

 

[Jadak]

So...I watched the entire video waiting for the object of the post to actually happen, and didn't even notice anything that seemed to merit a discussion. Now, given that there was nothing else I can only assume the part where the kid starts acting up and gets moves from standing to being on his chest was the issue, in which case...what? Big deal? Nothing to see here at all, was expecting one of those mouthy kids around the scene to suddenly get face fucked by one of those stick things or something, what actually happened was nothing.

 

[Dracowrath]

So, it's saving his life by arresting him for riding a train? Good thing I don't live in sweden then.

I'm not fully clear on the connotations here, but they were basically hitching a ride on the outside of the train. I believe they were in between cars, but I could be wrong.

Essentially, in such a position, all it would take is a single slip and the kid would be dead and the train would be at a serious risk of derailment, putting dozens if not hundreds more at risk. The guard was acting to protect the train, the other passengers, and the kid himself.

I didn't know that beforehand, all I knew was this was a case of some kid supposedly being oppressed by some guards. I don't speak swedish, so I had to go simply by the actions taken. Perhaps the OP should have provided a little more backstory to this, such as WHY this was happening? Now that I know why they were doing this, it makes a lot more sense and those kids are lucky their parents didn't smack em upside their heads for being stupid little shits.

 

[Benny Blanco]

Kinda hard to know the context as we don't really know what he was being held for but it didn't look like particularly excessive force to me.

I'll presume the little shit was trying to steal something and security were keeping him in place until the real police turn up then they can drive him home to his parents and no salty liquorice for a fortnight. (or whatever it is Swedish parents do to punish kids)

The security guy is pretty calm, but once the kid starts kicking at his leg in an attempt to escape (which is just about the only way a child that size is going to cause real damage to a large man without targeting his eyes throat or groin) the guard takes him to the ground pretty gently and draws his baton to stop the kid's friends getting any ideas.

OP, is this about right?

 

[Agayek]

I didn't know that beforehand, all I knew was this was a case of some kid supposedly being oppressed by some guards. I don't speak swedish, so I had to go simply by the actions taken. Perhaps the OP should have provided a little more backstory to this, such as WHY this was happening? Now that I know why they were doing this, it makes a lot more sense and those kids are lucky their parents didn't smack em upside their heads for being stupid little shits.

Actually, the kid who started the whole mess has a mom who's defending his right to be a complete douche. It's really kinda silly.

 

[2733]

Take it from someone who has had to stop and calm people of the boy's size, the guard was way to rough, but it seems (now that I've re-watched the video) rather then being malicious the guard just doesn't know what he is doing.

Certainly possible. I've never been in the unenviable position of having to restrain someone of that size. It's come close a couple of times, but I'm 6'8" and built like a brick shithouse, so the few times it's come up, I can quell them with a hard look.

That said, I still think the guard didn't do anything unreasonable, especially in light of the fact that the kid and his posse were giving him death threats. He wasn't nice about it, but he stayed well within the bounds of acceptable behavior.

having read what the kid did to get in trouble and what was said between the combatants, the young man has lost the sympathy I had for him. But I still can't find myself siding with the guard and I think both parties need some lessons in restraint.

 

[Blimey]

Kid deserved it. Guard didn't even do anything. Fucking stupid kids and stupid sensationalist newspapers. Someday I'll pass on from this world, and it's stupid fucking overreactions to innocuous situations like this that will make me not regret I'm leaving.

 

[JdaS]

I'm sure the kid in question is a snot nosed little runt who thought he'd score some "badass points" by sticking it up to "The Man". It's the same here in Finland.

Then again, fat underpaid police academy drop-outs who're spoiling for a chance to use the submission moves they learned and to wave their little batons around, be it a little kid or a drunk old man, are also something Finland has in common with Sweden.

Having respect for people and the proper authorities is one thing, getting thrown around by an overzealous mallcop is another.

My opinion: Kid had it coming, security used more force than necessary.

 

[imperialwar]

As a former security guard I see nothing wrong in this action.
As a Security Guard you are legally allowed the "one up" rule.
Here are the basics:
There is no-one around but the client hires a Security Guard to Keep it that way. (Presence)
Someone Turns up that shouldn't be there, so the Security Guard tells them to go away. ( Voice)
The person tells them Fuck off, so the guard goes over and grabs the person to drag them away ( open hand ).
The person struggles / wrestles with the guard, guard takes out Baton ( closed hand ) or in this case handcuffs.
Person picks up a piece of wood, Guard shoots them, typically in the leg. ( non lethal Force )
Person shoots at guard, guard shoots them dead ( lethal force )

at least that is the law here in Australia.

 

[Dogstile]

People are arguing if they were heavy handed in putting a kid to the floor and drawing a stick so the rest of them backed the fuck off?

What exactly is wrong with that? He didn't hit him as far as I could see, he didn't hurt him and the kid was being an absolute twat, what with the kicking and the death threats.

So yes, this guard did the right thing.

 

[Heracles]

As far as i can tell, this is completely reasonable behavior from the guard. see what that kid does there with his knee against the wall and his foot against the guards knee? that right there is leverage, and can easily multiply the strength of even the smallest child to knee breaking force. go ahead, try doing that same thing with your own knee against, say, your computer desk. you will find that shoving the desk from against the wall moves it a lot quicker and easier than if you just tried to push it.

People also seem to underestimate the strength of a 12 year old. kids are tough, and they don't have a firm grasp on muscle restraint.

edit: i'm 19 now, and in grade 7 could bench about 90-100 lbs. in gym class when i was about 100 lbs. myself.