Poll: Tali Reveal
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There isn't a mystery. That's what I'm trying to tell everyone. It was in detail explained why Quarians wear full-body suits. So the fact that they are wearing it now is a technicality, not a mystery. I'll tell you what was mysterious; that short moment in the first Lord of the Ring film when we met Aragorn. Before we knew who he was he is only introduced as the Strider, and we briefly see his face partially lit by his own tobacco glow. Soon afterwards he removes his hood to reveal his identity (to the extent he himself identifies with) and the mystery is solved.Radoh said:
That we don't see a quarians face - ever - and that it isn't even explained is a dick move. From a game that places so much emphasis on explaining how things work in and are in this universe, even down to how Asari reproduce, that they don't even drop us a hint on what the general facial make-up is. Do they have two eyes? Four? Do they have Eye-lids?
Then close your eyes. I choose to know the truth, not sit in wonder because I might not like it.[/quote]
normally i would agree but in this case its more about entertianment then real life facts. i think i would prefer them not to reveal her but if they did it would not stop me enjoying the game.
normally i would agree but in this case its more about entertianment then real life facts. i think i would prefer them not to reveal her but if they did it would not stop me enjoying the game.
If they do show her face, there are some good concept art floating around that I kinda like and so wouldn't mind if she looked like these. I won't complain if they don't show it though, I'm used to it by now.
There's also some pretty scary shit too...
There's also some pretty scary shit too...
No, leave the mask on, I thought she needed it for life support anyway.chronicfc said:
Also, Darth Vader I feel, doesn't really apply to this, he's virtually 'the' main character of Star Wars, it could even be argued the six movies are the story of him / Anikan Skywalker.
So anyway, she could never possibly meet expectations unless she was super hot, like scoldingly beautiful, so why bother? You can't win, shes either average in which case 'aww man, what have I gotten myself into here?' or she's awesomely attractive, and the someone will complain 'err, sexist, err!' or something. Just leave it Bioware, why are you wasting time on things like this? Just hurry up and make the game already, stop wasting time on nonsense like this.
Well I'm generally on the side of taking off the masks. There is definitely a point where them keeping on their masks would simply be counter-intuitive to their situationchronicfc said:
there will definitely be an outcome where the Quarians get their home-world back, and at that point if they keep their masks on, it simply wouldn't make sense because that's they've been fighting about for 300 years. To be able to not wear a mask, to not be stuck in a suit "separated" from everyone else. It would simply be weird for them not to.
And I definitely am curious to see what the Quarians look like under the suits. (I've always been overtly curious about things)
As for what Tali looks like, I generally envisioned a kind of spritely girl (a la Merill from DA2) with that short feathered pixie hair style (a la singer Pink)
A) Because that's a look I find aesthetically nice
and
B) Because it would match the general form and situation of the Quarians. They're stuck in the suits, so long hair is is impractical, and since most accounts of the Quarians' looks say they're like humans, combine that with their small features and I see something that looks mighty familiar to an elf.
They never had a reason to reveal the Quarian face when they made Mass Effect. Quarians were in their suits for a reason, and there was no logical reason to remove the suits. All of the character design went into the suit, including the basic "face" that is beneath the mask is meant to highlight the mask through the translucence.KaizokuouHasu said:
When Mass Effect 2 was being developed, BioWare quickly realized that the character and race were insanely popular, and that, while there were tons of people who wanted the reveal, there was no way they could do a reveal and meet any of the fan's expectations.
That's why there is no concept art of it, because it was never an issue. There was no reason to develop one in ME, Quarians were just a race, and the suit was what the player saw, and therefore where the development was. And in ME2, it was already too late to do a reveal that would please the Tali fans.
It's not laziness. Why don't you sit down and try to make a Quarian under the mask that will please the Tali fanbase?
some characters dont need to be unmasked, not for any reason other than covering a face allows an odd connection to the character that helps you imagine yourself as said character.
example: Master chiefs face is never shown as is part of his character, Gordon Freeman never talks either and makes him more interesting.
not saying this applies to all (darth vader being an exception) but some are actually better when left to the imagination.
example: Master chiefs face is never shown as is part of his character, Gordon Freeman never talks either and makes him more interesting.
not saying this applies to all (darth vader being an exception) but some are actually better when left to the imagination.
True, but a few important points...ChupathingyX said:
- He has the personality of a grape.
- We never hear much on his back story in the game.
- Again, "pale white skin" in the novel.
To 99% of the fanbase, he is "a blank slate "insertyourselfhere" protagonist".
Kinda like the Star Wars novels/expanded universe, I ignore it. It's the games/movies/core medium that matters if you ask me.
But, off topic now. Derailing thread over
Yes, they should.
I would laugh my ass off if it turns out she looks like Zoidberg in that suit.
Exotic is the word im looking for.
I would laugh my ass off if it turns out she looks like Zoidberg in that suit.
I think those look a bit too human for my taste. I'm hoping for a pretty alien but not to much like they made the Asari look like blue humans with weird scalp implants.-Dragmire- said:If they do show her face, there are some good concept art floating around that I kinda like and so wouldn't mind if she looked like these. I won't complain if they don't show it though, I'm used to it by now.
There's also some pretty scary shit too...
Exotic is the word im looking for.
She adds a segment of mystery to Mass Effect. Plus, if they remove the mask she will never look as good or bad as we imagine she will. SPeculation is a strong mechanism of gaming or media manipulation. Keep her in the jar. I like Tali, I can see why she has been under fanboy speculation for so long, but Tali needs to stay in her jar and out of view ASAP,
And that is also what I'm getting at. That shouldn't be a mystery! There are billions of Quarians in the ME universe, and many of them have shown their faces, and bodies to non-Quarians, Shepard included if you're into that sort of thing. The only people who aren't let in on what Quarians look is the player. And I paid for this?Radoh said:
It's stupid. I can't see why you'd defend something like this. It's just unreasonable. It's is comparable to systematically tearing out the last 3 chapters out of every book you buy so that the ending will remain a mystery. ¬_¬
I think they should but only for characters who romanced her and chose the right options. Make the player work for it. Make it something you can miss on your first play-through. Also, make it optional. Even if the player answers all the questions correctly and earns Tali's love and trust enough for her to offer to take the mask off, let the player decide. It's a great option because it presents another moral choice (with actual moral consequences, not just a typical good bad blah blah) because they could turn it around and have her get infected if you chose to reveal her, and you'd have to live with the fact that you killed your characters lover with your curiosity.
Well there's a significant difference. Master chief is a very impersonal character; he has no relations outside Cortana, an AI construct.Arehexes said:
I feel that it somewhat wrecks the immersion of being Shepherd when secrets he/she knows are kept from the player.
Shepherd and Tali are close friends, and if you go the relationship storyline, in love. Master Chief is a "lone wolf" in official documentation. Absolutely no one is close to him.
This answer. I'd even say there should be a few things you have to do if you are going to romance her to get her to show her face just in case people do want to romance her but dont want the mystery ruined.spartan231490 said:
1st Paragraph) That was only because Tali was not a romantic interest in the first game, not was any other Quarian.Skyblade12 said:
2nd Paragraph) Bioware doesn't owe to it's audience a design of Tali that pleases EVERY member of their target demographic. If they did they wouldn't be able to make the game to begin with since the same thing would have to apply to all other characters in the game. Duh.
3rd Paragraph) Again, it's lazy to design a race with the criteria 'no face, no features beyond fewer fingers and toes and backwards pointing knees, and a Baltic European accent' It's like George Lucas when he designed an alien race that was entirely criminal. Way to put pencil to paper, Georgie. Wait. Bioware did that too! The Batarians! And The Krogans too, entirely Mercenary. And the Asari (almost) entirely stripper! And the Volus and the Salarians. Almost entirely shopkeepers and floor space fillers!
4th Paragraph) Because I'm a paying costumer, not a designer on salary. It's not my job to design their game. Don't be silly.
Now, why are you defending Bioware so eagerly. I'm sure they make enough money to ignore an almost fan like me (They've yet to release something at Jade Empire standard again /sadface), and not care for your support. So far they've not cared too much about their fans, and I think that's a trend they'll go with for some time.
Hard question to answer, but on the other hand a lot of you have made good points in this thread.
Now in my opinion I'd like to keep it optional. For example: When you finish her story-arc and have her romanced, she turns around and starts undressing or something, and you get a renegade/paragon-interrupt to have Shepard take her by the arm en swing her around or something. Build it into the game, no DLC or anything, but have it in a small scene at the end of her arc, but only if you choose to.
Heck... I dunno. I'm just sad I can't have my male-Shep romance Wrex or Grunt.
Now in my opinion I'd like to keep it optional. For example: When you finish her story-arc and have her romanced, she turns around and starts undressing or something, and you get a renegade/paragon-interrupt to have Shepard take her by the arm en swing her around or something. Build it into the game, no DLC or anything, but have it in a small scene at the end of her arc, but only if you choose to.
Heck... I dunno. I'm just sad I can't have my male-Shep romance Wrex or Grunt.
Oh, you joker. Actually I paid for a game that would be a better game than the first one, but instead got a shitty over-shoulder shooter pretending to be an RPG with crap mini games and less than half of the content that I was presented with on the first game. ON TWO CDs!Radoh said:
For some reason technology got worse in the 2-4 years that spanned between the two games. Guns now need ammo (or thermal clips that for some arbitrary reason have to be thrown away when lukewarm, instead of, say... placed aside until cool), and techs/biotis that are roughly half as effective. There was also the annoying addition of being made to have to switch between weapons to kill enemies effectively, lest you wanted to waste time and ammo. This got annoying on higher difficulties since you usually fight against more than one enemy and they for some reason have access to better armour than you do - much appreciated Cerberus.