Poll: The Manliness Conundrum
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A REAL MAN FOLLOWS HIS BURNING SPIRIT AND GOES BEYOND THE IMPOSSIBLE!
I roll my eyes whenever I hear guys talking about manliness. It just comes across as a glorified pissing match to me.
A real man does the right thing not because it's his duty as a man, but because it's the right thing to do.
I roll my eyes whenever I hear guys talking about manliness. It just comes across as a glorified pissing match to me.
A real man does the right thing not because it's his duty as a man, but because it's the right thing to do.
I'm thinking the guy that insisted on "Man Rules" is either a bit insecure, or is looking for justification for putting down those that don't adhere to his idea of what's right.
I believe that I am not manly, for I am not really adherent to any gender generalizations, and I don't really care either way about how masculine others believe me to be.
But I don't really know myself very well anyway, interactive personalities prevent all kinds of things from working and all kinds of introspection from being useful.
(DAMN YOU SCHIZOID PERSONALITY DISORDER!)
But I don't really know myself very well anyway, interactive personalities prevent all kinds of things from working and all kinds of introspection from being useful.
(DAMN YOU SCHIZOID PERSONALITY DISORDER!)
I think I have an answer that differs somewhat to other posts here: I think being "a real man" is about having dignity. If said "Man's laws" are about different ways to show dignity in different situations, I can get where they are coming from, although a moral question rarely fits into a simple "golden rule".
I think that doing absolutely everything you want without care isn't being a man, as showing no restraint is a proof that you are the slave of your own desires.
On the other hand, following a code strictly because it "makes you a man" means that you might be doing the good thing for a bad reason (or the bad thing for a bad reason!), which means you're being a tool, not a man.
I think that the point here is that "being a man", in the debate they were having, probably had nothing to do with "having a penis". It was more about meeting a common ground of expectations to be a fitting "comrade in arms", so to speak.
I think that doing absolutely everything you want without care isn't being a man, as showing no restraint is a proof that you are the slave of your own desires.
On the other hand, following a code strictly because it "makes you a man" means that you might be doing the good thing for a bad reason (or the bad thing for a bad reason!), which means you're being a tool, not a man.
I think that the point here is that "being a man", in the debate they were having, probably had nothing to do with "having a penis". It was more about meeting a common ground of expectations to be a fitting "comrade in arms", so to speak.
Would YOU willingly climb Everest with the wrinkly part of your anatomy easily catching frostbite?Phlakes said:
I've never heard of this "Man Law," but I would say that a real man has to be true to himself and do what he believes is right. Also testicles and a Y-chromosome are mandatory.
That's the Man's Law? Hmph! Well it's my opinion that any man trying to get action on the side needs to be punched in the face repeatedly, but that's just me. ...or better yet kicked in the balls repeatedly.Zorpheus said:
I hear some of the some guys talk about at college. The whole "Man Rules" and all of that, and whether or not they are manly by following these rules.
But what are the rules? Are the rules the definition of not only masculinity, but of responsibility, maturity, and civility?
Codifying the rules of manhood has always been with us, and probably always will. From the manhood rites of stone age tribes to the societal pressure that you are not a man until you move out of your parent's house and get a job, the codes are on one hand ironbound rules, and on the other hand full of exceptions. The man who still lives with his parents, and doesn't have a job, but yet is caring for a mentally ill parent and a quadriplegic parent as well as a dying sister IS viewed as a man, possibly one of the best.
Listening to my fellow college students, the Man Code they espouse seems to be more about "Bro's before Ho's" and how much beer they can swill down. To me, that isn't a Manliness Code, but more about validating why they get to act the way they want to without any regards toward social or moral repercussions.
If you were to ask your average "Manliness Code" proponent if he thought a Ranger was a man, he'd say "YES!", but let's take a look at the Ranger's Creed.
Because a man does have duty. A duty to himself. A duty to the society he has determined he wishes to be part of. A duty to those who rely on him.
And duty is often about hard choices. The right choice is not often the easy choice, or even the choice you would prefer to do.
Too many of the men I have heard spout off about "Manliness Rules" care about anything beyond justification for their own prejudices, beliefs, actions, and attitudes to allow them to avoid repercussions.
But what are the rules? Are the rules the definition of not only masculinity, but of responsibility, maturity, and civility?
Codifying the rules of manhood has always been with us, and probably always will. From the manhood rites of stone age tribes to the societal pressure that you are not a man until you move out of your parent's house and get a job, the codes are on one hand ironbound rules, and on the other hand full of exceptions. The man who still lives with his parents, and doesn't have a job, but yet is caring for a mentally ill parent and a quadriplegic parent as well as a dying sister IS viewed as a man, possibly one of the best.
Listening to my fellow college students, the Man Code they espouse seems to be more about "Bro's before Ho's" and how much beer they can swill down. To me, that isn't a Manliness Code, but more about validating why they get to act the way they want to without any regards toward social or moral repercussions.
If you were to ask your average "Manliness Code" proponent if he thought a Ranger was a man, he'd say "YES!", but let's take a look at the Ranger's Creed.
The italic emphasis is mine. It's more than just "Go. Kill. Skullz!", it's also the basis of a code of conduct, based around respect for oneself and others, responsibility, civility, and ultimately, duty.
Because a man does have duty. A duty to himself. A duty to the society he has determined he wishes to be part of. A duty to those who rely on him.
And duty is often about hard choices. The right choice is not often the easy choice, or even the choice you would prefer to do.
Too many of the men I have heard spout off about "Manliness Rules" care about anything beyond justification for their own prejudices, beliefs, actions, and attitudes to allow them to avoid repercussions.
Probably without the restriction seeing if I were to follow some manly code I wouldn't have watch MLP:FiM which make the rule quite silly (before you say it's manly but if this rule exists than any man would of dismiss it at first glance due to this rule).
Screw all "manliness"
it's a societal construction. Some human made this to make themselves feel superior.
A real "man" has no need to make other men look inferior in any way, simply doing what they do best should be enough to prove your own capabilities.
lol..."mans" law... more like "boys ideas"
it's a societal construction. Some human made this to make themselves feel superior.
A real "man" has no need to make other men look inferior in any way, simply doing what they do best should be enough to prove your own capabilities.
lol..."mans" law... more like "boys ideas"
I chose other, cause I have no idea what the manly code is, and asides from that I let common sense tell me when to not do something, I couldn't give a damn about football, and depends on how you mean "manly". So, by other, I mean I have no freaking clue what the others imply, and thus choose this option because otherwise I may be a hypocrite.
To me man law is just a string of small unwritten rules.
Don't use the urinal right next to someone else, don't cry over trivial things, don't tell me about your emotions all the time. If your afraid of something keep it to yourself, don't tell me about it all the time.
Small things that guys should do, and when they fail to do I generally think less of them. They are still male, just not the kind of male I want to be around.
Don't use the urinal right next to someone else, don't cry over trivial things, don't tell me about your emotions all the time. If your afraid of something keep it to yourself, don't tell me about it all the time.
Small things that guys should do, and when they fail to do I generally think less of them. They are still male, just not the kind of male I want to be around.
Uhm. My anatomy would suggest I'm male. How would following a law change my DNA? And if so, how would it change, 'cause it sounds pretty painful.
I don't really look at anything as "manly," although, if I was to use the term, I'd say it's subjective to who you are. That's part of human nature, I guess, to define everything by yourself.
Nothing is manly.
I don't really look at anything as "manly," although, if I was to use the term, I'd say it's subjective to who you are. That's part of human nature, I guess, to define everything by yourself.
Nothing is manly.
I'd say a real man is one who is confident enough in himself and in his masculinity to not restrict himself from things he likes. I love killing zombies in games, that's manly. I like burning things, that's manly. I love My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, that's girly. However, I'm not insecure in my masculinity so I have no problem enjoying a show for little girls and telling my friends about it. The Man's Law (as far as I know) is a law followed by guys who are insecure of their masculinity so they follow a strict set of rules so as to not do anything that could end up questioning their masculinity.