Poll: The TF2 Insult

[trebthegamer]

what's with people's way of toughts?
free stuff = bad?
optional paying = very bad
more reason for your friends and other people to get it = bad
what's next?
monthly required payment = good ? oh WOW *da dum tss*

 

[Triaed]

Missing an option for
What is TF2?

 

[Pandaman1911]

Sorry what? I'm just here playing with my bots, didn't hear you there. Pardon me if I don't care about online multiplayer. Me and my bots are going to go have some fun in an awesome game. Or hell, maybe I can convince my friends to get it too, and we can all play with bots, now that it's free to play.

 

[Ickorus]

To be completely honest with you TF2 already had a shitty community full of assclowns who had only just discovered the wonders of HLSS and decided to inflict us all with idiotic soundclips from forced 4chan memes.

 

[trebthegamer]

Missing an option for
What is TF2?

let me give a basic idea. it's a bright coloured cartoony FPS with classes witch gives new updates every so often this may result in a big event or new hats witch are the only way of distinguishing yourself from the other players.
hat's have become a big deal for some players and drop rarely and some can be bought.
there are some other small gimmicks but that's the main thing about it i guess

 

[Gametek]

As for the $20 thing, how is this any different from the numerous times it was offered for $2.50?

At any rate: Who cares, they finally released a new "Meet The." Now all that's left is the Pyro. I'm taking bets on what will come first: HL2E3/HL3 or "Meet the Pyro."

HL3. Mhe, I am waiting for Meet the pyro since the first meet the.

Mybe it will have some headcrab joke in it?

 

[Magikarp]

Sorry what? I'm just here playing with my bots, didn't hear you there. Pardon me if I don't care about online multiplayer. Me and my bots are going to go have some fun in an awesome game. Or hell, maybe I can convince my friends to get it too, and we can all play with bots, now that it's free to play.

Why do you just play with bots? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, I just think it's a bit unusual for a game that focused on multiplayer.

OT: I think it's a good move overal by valve, but I think people who have already bought it should get more than just an old hat.

 

[Pandaman1911]

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Why do you just play with bots? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, I just think it's a bit unusual for a game that focused on multiplayer.

OT: I think it's a good move overal by valve, but I think people who have already bought it should get more than just an old hat.

Well mainly because bots are free of all the different defects that people have and use while playing. Griefing, trading, being vindictive, so on and so forth.

 

[Dys]

I'm yet to see an example of a situation where a medic would benefit from having the bonesaw over the ubersaw, however having the ubersaw cangive a much needed invuln and turn the tide of a battle. If the medic needs to swing a second time to get a kill, chances are he's about to be dead anyway.

Unlimited range and the ability to choose targets more than compensate for the ability to miss (shooting obvious spies is damn helpful, as is sniping opposing plays/sentrys from afar). Taking the wrangler does not force it's use, it replaces the pistol which, while useful at times, can be substituted with the wrangler (a good engineer is never far from his sentry).

There are clear advantages of taking both of the above weapons without significant disadvantages

I've not seen the newest batch of weapons yet, but the introduction of new items certainly balances the game. Even weapons that are situational, having the option to use them if your team requires it (Natasha springs to mind) is hugely valuable.

I've never found the Ubersaw useful. A Medic who charges in is desperate anyway, and will die before getting his Uber off 90% of the time. Trust me, I main Medic. I use the Vita-Saw, or the normal saw since it's faster.

How is the extra 25% speed helpful?.....Ever? If the medic charges in, he's in trouble, you said so yourself. Why then, would the medic ever care about having a slight decrease in a close range melee weapon if it's only ever used as a last resort, or to finish someone off if they get close? The vitasaw also has its uses (though I don't bother, since I rarely hold ubercharge and it has a clear downside-less health).

The Wrangler is stupid easy to counter. The Engie has to manually control it, and as soon as he dies, the Sentry is as good as gone. Either take out the Engineer, or get one Demo close enough to stick a few stickies under it. I can take them out pretty quickly by popping the corner a few times and getting like 4 stickies there.

It can be countered with a demoman, but so can the regular sentry so that's not an inherent weakness in the wrangler. Remember as well, the engineer doesn't necessarily have to use the wrangler, they can save it and only activate it when there's something to snipe or a specific point to defend (up until it's activated, normal functioning sentry). The trade off is not being able to take pot shots with the pistol, which most engineers don't do at all anyway. Having control of the sentry is straight up more useful than having the pistol.

Valuable, but not game changing. The Natascha will get countered 100% of the time by a normal Heavy if they fire at the same time. If one gets the jump on the other, of course the one that fired first will win. Even as a Scout, the Natasha Heavies aren't that bad, just got to not charge them.

Natasha was an example of one of the better balanced guns, it can still win games and is damn fine, but it isn't necessarily better than Sascha.

Not to shut you down or anything, but the "balance is ruined" argument is kind of annoying.

The ruination of the balance is kind of annoying. Join a pub server and take not of how few players use certain weapons. I'm not saying classes are unbalanced, so the sniper comment is completely redundant, I'm saying that the weapon choices within classes are unbalanced. An engineer with the wrangler is better, and more frequently used, than an engineer with a pistol and the pistol is the starting weapon.

 

[Arafiro]

TF2 became quite unbalanced quite awhile ago, as I see it. The massive number of random new guns and such that were introduced kind of ruined it already, this is just a step in a similar direction to become more like Battlefield Heroes (although I dearly hope it won't become as clearly item-unbalanced as that game became).

I have yet to see a completely F2P game work well and be well balanced. Perhaps this will be the exception, but I'm really not too sure.

 

[itsausernamewhatofit]

A while ago i bought TF2. The thing is I love everything about TF2 except for one thing, playing it. when I bought it I couldn't really do anything because anyone who was playing had been for a LONG time and were nothing short of experts. I'm hoping that this will introduce some fresh blood and i plan to pick it back up. As for your complaints about spending 20 bucks then having the game go F2P lemme ask you something; it looks like you have had the game for a long time and are very passionate about it. Given that, don't you think you've had at least 20 dollars worth of fun out of it? do you really think that some people experiencing this game for the first time is going to ruin it for you? And yes, I know they won't have an investment in the game to keep them going but that doesn't mean that they won't try.
Anyway unless I'm mistaken TF2 supports dedicated servers.
relax

 

[chapien]

Look at it this way.

With all of the new players, you'll have the perfect way to practice your spy backstabs.

Just sayin'.

But yeah. You're overreacting.

 

[mrdude2010]

How is an influx of new players, regardless of intent, a bad thing? Isn't the point of a multiplayer game to have MULTIPLE PEOPLE playing?

It's been less than a day and I'm already frackin' sick of hearing people ***** about TF2 going free to play. These self-entitled twits are even going so far as to ***** about Valve giving them free stuff! For the love of God, grow up. Instead of bitching about it, either acknowledge the upsides (which far outweigh any cons), or go play something else. No one will miss your incessant whining. And, with the bevy of new players coming, our servers will be full and active.

Why not join the ranks of the COD "hardcore" players. Then you'll get your game that never changes over years of play. Hell, you won't even need to deal with the Mann Co. Store! 'Course, you'll have to spend $15 or more on a couple of extra maps, but that's okay. I mean, it's not like you can't just get them via an unlock or anything. Right?

[edit] To clarify, this isn't directed solely at the OP. I've been on a few servers this evening already and far too many people were whining about this latest update.

the influx of new, terrible people will be annoying, at least for a few months

the danger is that wiht free accounts there will be no incentive to behave in a decent manner, when you know you can just make another account or whatever whenever your old one gets hated/banned

also, the servers will be overfull. they're designed for current levels of traffic, not the new influx

 

[mrdude2010]

How is an influx of new players, regardless of intent, a bad thing? Isn't the point of a multiplayer game to have MULTIPLE PEOPLE playing?

It's been less than a day and I'm already frackin' sick of hearing people ***** about TF2 going free to play. These self-entitled twits are even going so far as to ***** about Valve giving them free stuff! For the love of God, grow up. Instead of bitching about it, either acknowledge the upsides (which far outweigh any cons), or go play something else. No one will miss your incessant whining. And, with the bevy of new players coming, our servers will be full and active.

Why not join the ranks of the COD "hardcore" players. Then you'll get your game that never changes over years of play. Hell, you won't even need to deal with the Mann Co. Store! 'Course, you'll have to spend $15 or more on a couple of extra maps, but that's okay. I mean, it's not like you can't just get them via an unlock or anything. Right?

[edit] To clarify, this isn't directed solely at the OP. I've been on a few servers this evening already and far too many people were whining about this latest update.

and in addition, intent is very important in multiplayer games. a community makes or breaks a multiplayer experience, and most gamers don't want a server filled with people who either suck very terribly or are deliberately trying to cause trouble. every community has these people, but since they have to pay most of the time, they at least have some incentive to play the game reasonably

 

[YuheJi]

I'll probably end up backstabbing most of those new players and scaring them away. I've done it before!

 

[Jelly ^.^]

I always wanted to try TF2. Never had the money/inclination/bandwidth for it. But now I do, and it's free.

Servers are going to be clogged with people who have no interest in it? Like hell! The kinds of people you are thinking of aren't going to wait for a 10Gb download to play something they're not interested in. And who already has a steam account who wouldn't be interested in games, or this kind of game?

And Valve said they're going to be tracking IPs and banning griefers. So no, the world isn't ending just because some of us now filing into the room get a free account to try something we have of course heard of, quite possibly wanted to try, and now can bite of without risking anything or having to choose between it or lunch tomorrow.

 

[Les Awesome]

they want to get better, want to get good at the game, want to actually do something with themselves.

buddy get over yourself

oh no now more people can enjoy my favorite game what ever shall I do

 

[Mannayz]

My only problem with the whole F2P thing is that now I'm seeing TORRENTS of players only concerned with trying to get a good K/D ratio. As opposed to actually playing the game.

And below is my open statement to ALL TF2 newbies.

"TF2 is a different being, rookies. It's not like the meh-fest that was Call of Duty where you only seem to focus on getting kills. In order to WIN at TF2, newbies, you must realize that the digital internet cock that is the K/D ratio does NOT matter here. Teamwork and objective capturing is what wins the games here, not dual P90s and a teabag reflex. So get your ass in gear, maggots, these points aren't going to cap themselves and nobody is going to give two shits if your K/D ratio is 10:1."

 

[thirion1850]

Making the game F2P is a good idea. It's fine and dandy. But a hat being the only thing vets get in the end...? Sort of misleading there... Not a very good looking one, either, but I do love the WW1 joke.

 

[EternalFacepalm]

You think money is keeping dumb idiots from entering the game?
Well, it certainly isn't. Look at the WoW community; they pay $15 a month, and many of them are dumber than .
And yes, that was an almost direct quote of TotalBiscuit. ^^