Poll: This is why I don't like World of Warcraft:
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I grew bored. And I play VERY casually. Even then, thanks to some carrying from guldmates / RL friends, I am now running a gearscore of nearly 6k.
It got to the point where I'd log in, do the daily dungeons, the daily JC quest and log out. Occaisionally join the guilds ICC run if there was room and I had time (which was rare).
So, I moved over to LOTRO. It's nice exploring anew world and the story is pretty fantastic. I'll get back to WoW to level a goblin hunter / engineer eventually, but likely not for a year or so.
It got to the point where I'd log in, do the daily dungeons, the daily JC quest and log out. Occaisionally join the guilds ICC run if there was room and I had time (which was rare).
So, I moved over to LOTRO. It's nice exploring anew world and the story is pretty fantastic. I'll get back to WoW to level a goblin hunter / engineer eventually, but likely not for a year or so.
i played wow for a long time, i never did have a problem with the community, except for those alliance assholes camping out in low level areas 
(i know this is a old ritual for both sides), what turned me off was actually a patch with a ton of content, a huge new raiding playground, but leading up to this patch was months of raiding in a new guild, getting to know the members and gathering DKP, then a week before the patch the guild poorly merged into another one, leaving half the players without a guild, taking everything in the bank over to the new one and not honouring the players saved up DKP, it was kinda like your bank going bankrupt over night, it was annoying, but i still had a good reputation with most of the big guilds on the server, having taken a few runs with them if a healer didnt show up, and i still had the best gear, so i kept playing and asked around for a new guild, then the patch came, and in 2 days my gear was ancient, allot of old players for the guilds i was applying to started playing again and there was no spot, and since i really didn't wanna go trough the process of joining a smaller guild, become their M healer, do the instances i had farmed all over again (this time with a team struggling to get to the end) and eventually leave them for a better guild, i just quit, suddenly i realized how tedious the game can be.
TL;DR: allot of things went wrong and i became bored and thus stopped playing.
But i will say that its not a bad game, at all, levelling up outside a guild and gearing up in one was probably one of the best experiences ive had in a game, and it lasted for a long time, and it sounds like it has become even better with cataclysm.
(i know this is a old ritual for both sides), what turned me off was actually a patch with a ton of content, a huge new raiding playground, but leading up to this patch was months of raiding in a new guild, getting to know the members and gathering DKP, then a week before the patch the guild poorly merged into another one, leaving half the players without a guild, taking everything in the bank over to the new one and not honouring the players saved up DKP, it was kinda like your bank going bankrupt over night, it was annoying, but i still had a good reputation with most of the big guilds on the server, having taken a few runs with them if a healer didnt show up, and i still had the best gear, so i kept playing and asked around for a new guild, then the patch came, and in 2 days my gear was ancient, allot of old players for the guilds i was applying to started playing again and there was no spot, and since i really didn't wanna go trough the process of joining a smaller guild, become their M healer, do the instances i had farmed all over again (this time with a team struggling to get to the end) and eventually leave them for a better guild, i just quit, suddenly i realized how tedious the game can be.TL;DR: allot of things went wrong and i became bored and thus stopped playing.
But i will say that its not a bad game, at all, levelling up outside a guild and gearing up in one was probably one of the best experiences ive had in a game, and it lasted for a long time, and it sounds like it has become even better with cataclysm.
I think I've said it before here, but hey, its worth going over all this again.
I used to play WoW quite a bit. I was a in raiding guild (2-3 times a week, depending on everyones schedule), I had many alts, and I probably spent as much time playing the game on a weekly basis as I worked (part-time) and went to school (part-time). A lot of my real life friends (at the time) played...in fact, at one point, we were all in the same guild, and even got together on occasion in real life to go to like Applebees or the like. But eventually I got tired of it, I asked myself "why am I doing this?". I had a 67 Tauren Druid and a 28 Blood Elf Mage, and I just quit in April of 2007. I then tried playing EVE Online again, and after two weeks, I quit that too. Then there was a period where I didn't play any games except for GTA:VC, but I had already beaten that game and I played it just to cause havoc. In a way, WoW made me no longer become a gamer, or at the the very least, a downgraded version of what I was before. I grew up in the 90s, and played such games as Chrono Trigger, Sam & Max, and Masters of Orion 2, just to name a few that I can remember off the top of my head. I was a console and a PC gamer, and I basically spent all my free time gaming. So WoW did something to me. I'm going to try to be a gamer again sometime soon, but not the same way I was: I wont work and do other things around my gaming, I'll game around the more important things in life.
I used to play WoW quite a bit. I was a in raiding guild (2-3 times a week, depending on everyones schedule), I had many alts, and I probably spent as much time playing the game on a weekly basis as I worked (part-time) and went to school (part-time). A lot of my real life friends (at the time) played...in fact, at one point, we were all in the same guild, and even got together on occasion in real life to go to like Applebees or the like. But eventually I got tired of it, I asked myself "why am I doing this?". I had a 67 Tauren Druid and a 28 Blood Elf Mage, and I just quit in April of 2007. I then tried playing EVE Online again, and after two weeks, I quit that too. Then there was a period where I didn't play any games except for GTA:VC, but I had already beaten that game and I played it just to cause havoc. In a way, WoW made me no longer become a gamer, or at the the very least, a downgraded version of what I was before. I grew up in the 90s, and played such games as Chrono Trigger, Sam & Max, and Masters of Orion 2, just to name a few that I can remember off the top of my head. I was a console and a PC gamer, and I basically spent all my free time gaming. So WoW did something to me. I'm going to try to be a gamer again sometime soon, but not the same way I was: I wont work and do other things around my gaming, I'll game around the more important things in life.
Got to level 80, got my netherwing drake, cool title...thats about it. To do any high-level stuff I found was extremely hard to get into. Nobody seemed sympathetic to someone who had just turned 80 for the first time, I was always expected to know exactly what to do in each dungeon. So yeah, toxic community as you say OP, and boredom.
I don't like the time commitment, I don't like the general playstyle, and, for the most part, I don't like the community. It tends to just be a bunch of people bitching over the chat until you get into a guild, and then it's just a bunch of people bitching in your guild.
At least, that's my experience.
At least, that's my experience.
There are so many things about WoW that made me quit and vow to never return to what feels like a cesspit. Of course, all of this is going to be biased and most WoW players are probably going to say that they experienced nothing like anything I did.
The biggest likely cause is the community itself which I always saw as immature and clique-ish at best; utterly elitist at worst. PvPers, back when I played, were a bit more tolerant as long as you didn't try to win the battleground yourself with vendor gear, while the RPers would find any reason to find something to insult in anyone not of their little group of friends. It's just a shame that the battlegrounds got boring after a while.
There was also the grind factor where some aspects of the game which were prized by players required either days of killing mobs/collecting items, or spending a lot of money if it was only a matter of getting items. All to get one faction to trust you enough to let you buy special goodies from special vendors. Of course, by the time my slow tush got around to that faction, the things they sold were no good to anyone since new factions were out with even better stuff.
The art style was actually something I liked enough to take many screenshots for the sake of "art" but one thing that got to me at times was how one area would look completely different from an area just on the other side of a hill. There was no smooth flow from cracked dryland to swampy marsh other than a thin river or line of hills which messed with my mind when I paused to think on it.
Then, as the months turned into years, hearing about the story being changed, races being added, classes being spread to all the races regardless of what old Warcraft lore had to say about anything, it got to the point where I wonder just how much more generic the races can get.
The biggest likely cause is the community itself which I always saw as immature and clique-ish at best; utterly elitist at worst. PvPers, back when I played, were a bit more tolerant as long as you didn't try to win the battleground yourself with vendor gear, while the RPers would find any reason to find something to insult in anyone not of their little group of friends. It's just a shame that the battlegrounds got boring after a while.
There was also the grind factor where some aspects of the game which were prized by players required either days of killing mobs/collecting items, or spending a lot of money if it was only a matter of getting items. All to get one faction to trust you enough to let you buy special goodies from special vendors. Of course, by the time my slow tush got around to that faction, the things they sold were no good to anyone since new factions were out with even better stuff.
The art style was actually something I liked enough to take many screenshots for the sake of "art" but one thing that got to me at times was how one area would look completely different from an area just on the other side of a hill. There was no smooth flow from cracked dryland to swampy marsh other than a thin river or line of hills which messed with my mind when I paused to think on it.
Then, as the months turned into years, hearing about the story being changed, races being added, classes being spread to all the races regardless of what old Warcraft lore had to say about anything, it got to the point where I wonder just how much more generic the races can get.
I picked the option "I'm not interested in any MMORPG"... since... it's kind of a long story.
Few years back (I guess it was 2k6) I was really into Maple Story (yeah, I know... -_-') and spending most of my free time on-line. I quit it instantly after having major quarrel with one of guys I considered a 'on-line friend'. Just prior to that I had enough of ppl asking for money, items and defaming for not complying. Also hated attidute of some players being an ass, just becouse they could. Social aspect is somewhat risky in MMOs - mostly relies on with whom you will play.
I know that in subscription based MMOs, this is not such a big issue (lesser intensity of trolls), but I'd rather do some Diablo II LAN party with my real-life mates, than rage from anonymous social retards.
Few years back (I guess it was 2k6) I was really into Maple Story (yeah, I know... -_-') and spending most of my free time on-line. I quit it instantly after having major quarrel with one of guys I considered a 'on-line friend'. Just prior to that I had enough of ppl asking for money, items and defaming for not complying. Also hated attidute of some players being an ass, just becouse they could. Social aspect is somewhat risky in MMOs - mostly relies on with whom you will play.
I know that in subscription based MMOs, this is not such a big issue (lesser intensity of trolls), but I'd rather do some Diablo II LAN party with my real-life mates, than rage from anonymous social retards.
My reasons are twofold number one, I played the shit out of Warcraft 3 I loved that game to bits, the thing I loved most about it?
The story I was engrossed, I played W3 And it's expansion and I was dying for a sequel, a conclusion and then,
Blizzard comes out and says We're holding your precious ending hostage unless you pay us £15 a month, spend your life dealing with people that will pull you out of the experience and wait for years between installments.
The second reason is I hate MMOs in general, the fact I have to deal with other players, get an (often) half assed story that takes months of grinding to complete AND I have to pay fifteen fucking quid a month for this oh so special privilege just make it impossible for me to like them.
You can imagine my response when Star Wars The Old Republic was announced.
The story I was engrossed, I played W3 And it's expansion and I was dying for a sequel, a conclusion and then,
Blizzard comes out and says We're holding your precious ending hostage unless you pay us £15 a month, spend your life dealing with people that will pull you out of the experience and wait for years between installments.
The second reason is I hate MMOs in general, the fact I have to deal with other players, get an (often) half assed story that takes months of grinding to complete AND I have to pay fifteen fucking quid a month for this oh so special privilege just make it impossible for me to like them.
You can imagine my response when Star Wars The Old Republic was announced.
I lost a few years of my life to that game, I think that's reason enough.
Besides that, I play RPGs to be immersed, and often just to find out what happens. While MMOs are getting better at recreating that single player experience, the sheer length and ammount of padding that an MMO requires will always show.
Most single player RPGs are designed to keep you interested for anything from a week or two to a couple of months, depending on the specific length of the game, your schedule and your playing time. Most MMOs, on the other hand are deliberately designed to keep people hooked for years so they can milk subscription fees and pad out their worlds. A story that long isn't really a story, I don't believe there's any way to feed it into a genuinely convincing narrative, and even if they could find a way to do so it will always have to be padded out with a lot of 'kill 10 boars' grind quests.
Then there's the 'other people' bit. True, it can be awesome to come together with a good party and achieve something you couldn't achieve on your own because everyone is playing their role well, but 9 times out of 10 having other people around is just distracting. It's hard to feel you're part of anything meaningful when some **** in level 70 epic gear keeps trying to duel you. Ultimately, whole point of the game becomes to compete with those people. You're levelling up so you can be the guy who all the poor level 20 plebs look up to and aspire to be like, not because you have any investment in anything that's happening.
I'm kind of tempted to go back and try cataclysm, but mostly just to see if it's doing anything differently. The expansion packs were certainly way more fun than the original game, and moved much closer to producing a varied and engaging experience. But still.. killing 10 boars so you can watch some numbers rise a little will always be a part of the WoW experience, and that gets old really fast.
Besides that, I play RPGs to be immersed, and often just to find out what happens. While MMOs are getting better at recreating that single player experience, the sheer length and ammount of padding that an MMO requires will always show.
Most single player RPGs are designed to keep you interested for anything from a week or two to a couple of months, depending on the specific length of the game, your schedule and your playing time. Most MMOs, on the other hand are deliberately designed to keep people hooked for years so they can milk subscription fees and pad out their worlds. A story that long isn't really a story, I don't believe there's any way to feed it into a genuinely convincing narrative, and even if they could find a way to do so it will always have to be padded out with a lot of 'kill 10 boars' grind quests.
Then there's the 'other people' bit. True, it can be awesome to come together with a good party and achieve something you couldn't achieve on your own because everyone is playing their role well, but 9 times out of 10 having other people around is just distracting. It's hard to feel you're part of anything meaningful when some **** in level 70 epic gear keeps trying to duel you. Ultimately, whole point of the game becomes to compete with those people. You're levelling up so you can be the guy who all the poor level 20 plebs look up to and aspire to be like, not because you have any investment in anything that's happening.
I'm kind of tempted to go back and try cataclysm, but mostly just to see if it's doing anything differently. The expansion packs were certainly way more fun than the original game, and moved much closer to producing a varied and engaging experience. But still.. killing 10 boars so you can watch some numbers rise a little will always be a part of the WoW experience, and that gets old really fast.
Played a whole lot for a period of over five years. These days I can't stay logged in for more than a few minutes before I feel really bored. Not even the updated Azeroth made me feel like playing again.
Yes, Warhammer was one of the biggest MMO letdowns in my MMO-history. I would have been a beacon of hope to me, because there is no such thing that I like more thanAcacianLeaves said:
I played WoW before and after my misstep into the abyss. I enjoyed the game only when my friends were online, I just did not have the motivation to be online alone. Every day I'd check my friendslist first thinking, "Are there any fun people on? No? *logs off*."
I have been playing for over 6 years, and very gradually got more pissed off and bored with the game. to me it feels that the game is becoming way to dumbed down, way to easy, and seeing everything I liked about the game being changed for the worse over the course of each expansion and content patch.
When I first played back in the Vanilla days, it was fun and it was a challenge, it was fresh, new and awesome looking, gear sets were amazing and it took a lot of time and effort to get high end gear. now all u need to do is buy the game, log in , raid for a week and get everything u need without lifting a finger. it pisses me off. Because of all these issues, all my other friends left the game for greener gaming pastures.
I finally, PERMANENTLY , quit this game 3 weeks ago. With no intention of ever returning and never have I felt more liberated after having done so, its like a huge weight has been lifted. Cataclysm is not impressing me and by other people i met online, they tell me that blizzard are making more mistakes that most people aren't liking at all. so...yea..that was it for me. I'm now looking to get into Star Wars: The Old Republic when its out in spring. This could be the WoW killer.
Anyway...to hell with that game. I just really hate it now.
P.S. THAT..was only the tip of the iceberg of my issues with the game.
When I first played back in the Vanilla days, it was fun and it was a challenge, it was fresh, new and awesome looking, gear sets were amazing and it took a lot of time and effort to get high end gear. now all u need to do is buy the game, log in , raid for a week and get everything u need without lifting a finger. it pisses me off. Because of all these issues, all my other friends left the game for greener gaming pastures.
I finally, PERMANENTLY , quit this game 3 weeks ago. With no intention of ever returning and never have I felt more liberated after having done so, its like a huge weight has been lifted. Cataclysm is not impressing me and by other people i met online, they tell me that blizzard are making more mistakes that most people aren't liking at all. so...yea..that was it for me. I'm now looking to get into Star Wars: The Old Republic when its out in spring. This could be the WoW killer.
Anyway...to hell with that game. I just really hate it now.
P.S. THAT..was only the tip of the iceberg of my issues with the game.