Poll: Torchlight 2, everything Diablo 3 should have?

[Korten12]

With the recent news of Diablo 3, I decided to check out Torchlight 2's site.

This is what I have found:

[HEADING=3]Multiplayer:[/HEADING]

Play with your friends over the internet for free. No subscriptions, no item sales. And, our new matchmaking peer-to-peer service lets you find friends, start and join games for exciting co-op play. Of course, you can play single-player offline as well.

(I also heard myself it has LAN, which I believe Diablo 3 doesn't have)

[HEADING=3]Moddability[/HEADING]

Torchlight II will release with an all new version of TorchEd, the Torchlight editor. Players will have the option to create their own mods, adding even more content to the world. Have your friends download the same mod and play together.

http://www.torchlight2game.com/about

Torchlight 2 considering 1's price point, will also be cheap compared to Diablo 3.

So what do you guys think?

 

[Tanakh]

Going with Diablo 3 all the way!

Mainly because the production values of Blizz are out of this world; even if they are being greedy MOFOS in their implementation nowdays.

 

[Davey Woo]

Is Diablo 3 coming out on other platforms or is it PC only?

I've never played a Diablo, but I played the trial of Torchlight on the Xbox and it was pretty good, but needed multiplayer, so if a few of my friends get Torhclight 2 then I'd probably get it as well.

 

[Hisshiss]

What I'm gonna do is buy whichever comes out first, and then like, buy the other one too whenever it comes out. And I'm going to do that because I don't feel like forcing two different games to duke it out for my appreciation, especially considering torchlight 2 will be cheap enough that not buying it for any particular reason would just be stupid if you have demonstrated a taste for diablo RPG's.

 

[nukethetuna]

Going with Diablo 3 all the way!

Mainly because the production values of Blizz are out of this world; even if they are being greedy MOFOS in their implementation nowdays.

FYI, Runic Games, the people developing Torchlight 2, is made up of a lot of ex-Blizzard North employees. Essentially, more of the staff that worked on Diablo 1 and 2 is working on Torchlight 2 than Diablo 3. So there's your production value.

Whatever Diablo 3 ends up being, it won't have the same feel that made the first two games so great. Torchlight 2 will have that.

Despite ironically having more of the original Diablo staff, it is near impossible for a smaller company like Runic to match the production values of a gaming monolith like Blizzard. Blizzard is known for insane amounts of polish on their games, and they certainly have the money to do it to a degree that'd be impossible for Runic.

Now as for which one will actually be a true (aesthetic and gameplay) successor to Diablo 1 and 2... well, that depends mostly on how well both teams can capture the feeling of the older games. If Runic has more of the original staff, then they have the advantage, probably, but Blizzard is pretty synonymous with high quality games, so... who knows.

 

[Lucyfer86]

Diablo 3.

I don't care about no offline mode, why would i need that.
Also i don't care about mods, and art style on Diablo seems way better than Torchlight.
Based on TL1, itemization and classes were also way more bland than in Diablo, so same thing might happen again.

I'm not saying Torchlight is a bad game, but for me it's always gonna be "one Diablo clone more".

P.S Why everyone keeps whining about the AH on D3, it's not like you HAVE to pay anything, there's seperate ingame gold AH and RL money AH, also you get few free item posts on RL money AH every week. Should not be a big deal, jeez.

 

[Tanakh]

Going with Diablo 3 all the way!

Mainly because the production values of Blizz are out of this world; even if they are being greedy MOFOS in their implementation nowdays.

FYI, Runic Games, the people developing Torchlight 2, is made up of a lot of ex-Blizzard North employees. Essentially, more of the staff that worked on Diablo 1 and 2 is working on Torchlight 2 than Diablo 3. So there's your production value.

Whatever Diablo 3 ends up being, it won't have the same feel that made the first two games so great. Torchlight 2 will have that.

Despite ironically having more of the original Diablo staff, it is near impossible for a smaller company like Runic to match the production values of a gaming monolith like Blizzard. Blizzard is known for insane amounts of polish on their games, and they certainly have the money to do it to a degree that'd be impossible for Runic.

This, if we learn something with Hellgate is that curiously enough the corporate culture and production values doesn't seem to inherit to ex-employees.

And i am not talking about the "feeling", eff the feeling, i played Diablo II recently and couldn't bring myself to like it again because it felt flat, annoying and slow compared to more recent Diablo clones. I was talking about the polish as Nuke noted.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

People are blowing this whole online-only thing for Diablo 3 way out of proportion. It doesn't affect 98% of the people that will play the game. The only legitimate concern is that it affects people who live in the middle of nowhere who can't get Wi-Fi for their laptops on a consistent basis. That's basically it. The concerns over losing your saves because of a dropped connection are largely unfounded, since I'm sure Blizzard will have a decent auto-save system built into the network.

I will be getting both probably. I'm more interested in Torchlight 2 because of the mods I think, but Diablo 3 will undoubtedly be the deeper, more interesting game. Mods would have been nice, but I can live without as long as the game is fun without them. Torchlight without mods was rather boring, so mods are a must for TL2.

 

[Rawne1980]

Alas i'll have no time for either with all the games coming out that i've been waiting for.

Even so I didn't really like the Diablo games but Torchlight was tolerable.

 

[syltman]

Diablo 3 will most likely blow torchlight away in terms of gameplay. You can clearly notice amazing amount of thoughts that have gone into the gameplay itself and how the well designed the art itself is in diablo 3, it's on a whole other level then torchlight 1-2. However I will agree somewhat about the auction house being a bit of a let down but I will just not use it.

 

[Fishyash]

I am planning on gettning d3, but torchlight 2 sounds really attractive and I wouldn't mind playing that if I decide to get it as well.

 

[syltman]

Diablo 3 will most likely blow torchlight away in terms of gameplay. You can clearly notice amazing amount of thoughts that have gone into the gameplay itself and how the well designed the art itself is in diablo 3, it's on a whole other level then torchlight 1-2. However I will agree somewhat about the auction house being a bit of a let down but I will just not use it.

I don't think you got the memo. Gameplay in both games consists left and right-clicking, the effects of which change and scale in power as you level up. The difference being that Torchlight 2 has more variation in those effects and the power of them thanks to far more character customization depth.

More variation in those effects and the power? You haven't played either game and you're saying that. But I guess it could be so yes. But in Diablo 3 you can use the environment as a weapon and there will be a lot of ways to enhance the weapons and skills. Also the quest will also be more fun and the environment is going to be a helluva lot more lively.

However this all just judging from what I've seen obviously.

 

[No_Remainders]

Is Diablo 3 coming out on other platforms or is it PC only?

I've never played a Diablo, but I played the trial of Torchlight on the Xbox and it was pretty good, but needed multiplayer, so if a few of my friends get Torhclight 2 then I'd probably get it as well.

D3's gonna be PC only.
OT: Torchlight is one of my favourite games I have on my Steam list, and I have no doubt that the second will be equally awesome, if not even better. I'm going for Torchlight.

 

[DanielBrown]

Diablo III.
I haven't checked out Torchlight 2 that much, but I played the demo for the first game and found it to be a bit... lacking. It wasn't that it was boring, I just didn't feel any need to play any more after the trial time was out.
Might check it up a bit when it's released. Diablo III has disapointed me a bit too much the past two years.

 

[Valate_v1legacy]

TL2 all the way. I hate not having a gaming PC, and only 2 titles will force me to upgrade my 9 year old hunk of junk. And D3 is NOT one of them. TL2 however, will have a console port and lower system reqs.

 

[Keava]

Torchlight 2 doesn't have gender-locked classes, and aside form all the other negatives that Diablo 3 gathered over last days, it makes the "clone" more favourable choice for me. Little things. They do matter in the end when it comes to spending my money.

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

Going with Diablo 3 all the way!

Mainly because the production values of Blizz are out of this world; even if they are being greedy MOFOS in their implementation nowdays.

Have you SEEN Diablo 3? Looks like a 2007 game at best.

 

[Xanadu84]

I'm going to be getting both. Despite some terrible choices on Blizzards part, you will still be doing all the fun stuff you did in the other Diablo's, with a healthy dose of polish. Torchlight has made some better choices, but doesn't have the resources to throw the same amount of polish at the game. The games, therefore, will likely end up being different flavors of a similar concept. And history says that both are going to be worth the investment.

 

[syltman]

Diablo 3 will most likely blow torchlight away in terms of gameplay. You can clearly notice amazing amount of thoughts that have gone into the gameplay itself and how the well designed the art itself is in diablo 3, it's on a whole other level then torchlight 1-2. However I will agree somewhat about the auction house being a bit of a let down but I will just not use it.

I don't think you got the memo. Gameplay in both games consists left and right-clicking, the effects of which change and scale in power as you level up. The difference being that Torchlight 2 has more variation in those effects and the power of them thanks to far more character customization depth.

More variation in those effects and the power? You haven't played either game and you're saying that. But I guess it could be so yes. But in Diablo 3 you can use the environment as a weapon and there will be a lot of ways to enhance the weapons and skills. Also the quest will also be more fun and the environment is going to be a helluva lot more lively.

However this all just judging from what I've seen obviously.

We know the basis for the two systems. In Diablo 3 you get twenty some-odd skills for each character class, and have to choose seven active ones. You can then modify those seven with runestones. Torchlight 2 has an enhanced version of the stat point and skill tree system from Diablo 2. That allows for a lot more customization.

Every option you have for modifying equipment in Diablo 3 is also in Torchlight 2. There's no telling which quests will be more fun, but Torchlight 2 does have the design leads from Diablo 1 and 2 working on it.

The environments in Diablo 3 look fairly boring. Grey/brown at its finest. And almost never do you see the environment actually assist in killing enemies:

Well the thing is that in many skill points will just go into increasing the skill level i.e more damage and not actually go into changing the skill itself like with runestones. Also some of them could be passive. Stats are mostly numbers and kinda boring. I wouldn't truely call it customization. With diablo 3's system all your abilities should be viable all the time as well (if I understood correctly).

Yeah I guess it's a wait and see for the quests. However blizzard have a higher budget for the game and they will have a ton of experience about quests since wow.

I guess the art is a bit subjective, however I would argue that the diablo 3 art is very atmospheric and there's a ton more details in the the terrain itself.

And it's true we haven't seen that much of the destructible terrain but it's something that was mentioned in the earlier gameplay trailers and there has been some in some gameplay trailers. There hasn't been any hints of that in torchlight 2. It helps a lot to create a more dynamic world for the player and not make the world a giant artwork with a line to follow but an actual world.

And let's not forget to mention how much better the sounds are in diablo 3. The gory sound effect and the voice acting are much better then in at least torchlight 1.

 

[elvor0]

Going with Diablo 3 all the way!

Mainly because the production values of Blizz are out of this world; even if they are being greedy MOFOS in their implementation nowdays.

Have you SEEN Diablo 3? Looks like a 2007 game at best.

I think he's on about gameplay in terms of production values, not graphics. Graphics have never been part of Blizzards philosophy, all their games looked worse than the average graphics of the day, because they want to make sure that lots of people can play them, it's a good business model, because it means more sales, and more people to play with. If they wanted to they COULD make it look like Crysis 2, but what'd be the point? It'd be slow as hell what with all the enemies that're on screen, and a lot of people wouldn't be able to play it.