Yea, generally newer does equal better. If that weren't true, we would still be playing pong, instead of Halo, and Call of Duty.Ultratwinkie said:Fanatical? No, i am pointing out how flawed your logic is. Newer =/= better, older =/= bad. 1.Don't like a game? Fine, don't play it. However you don't go bringing age into the argument otherwise your just spouting flawed logic. You also don't state your opinion as fact.ExaltedK9 said:Any game that was made before YESTERDAY is ancient? Aren't you being a little fanatical there?Ultratwinkie said:Yes, now go back to your call of duty and your medal of honor chest thumping of "war". Oh wait, they are ancient games too. Come to think of it Fallout 3 is ancient, batman arkham asylum is ancient, all halos are ancient, gears of war is ancient, Oblivion is ancient, morrowind is ancient, and every game not made in 2011 is ancient so they all must suck. >.>ExaltedK9 said:Yea I knew I was walking on hallowed ground when I said that I didn't think the first Fallouts were good. I will probably be made and example of...randomsix said:You forgot to put on your flameshield, broseph.ExaltedK9 said:I get so sick of hearing this. Theres a reason none of them are options on the poll. They are not comparable to the new installments. They are ancient and suck next to their predecessors,Super Toast said:Believe it or not, but Fallout 3 isn't the first game in the series.
In my opinion, Fallout 3 is the best, followed by Fallout 2, then New Vegas, then the original.
OT: Fallout 3, but only because of the abundance of glitches, and invisible walls in New Vegas.
Also predecessors are those that come before.
OT: Fo:3 is my favorite on account of Lincoln's Repeater. It really just makes it better than anything else, period. And yes, I am an Abe Lincoln fanboy.
Oh right, I mixed up my predecessors and successors.
Christ, this is the same notion that is set in concrete in immature freshmen in high school.
Don't like fallout? then don't come to fallout threads. Is that so hard to do?
And as it happens, I love Fallouts 3, and New Vegas. Just not the first 2, those suck more than a hurricane.
My debunking of your misinformed argument, of course. And thats not my logic, it's yours. Age can be irrelevant, but in the case of the Fallout series, it's not. It just means that Fallouts 3 and New Vegas took a small fortune to create, thousands of man hours, an incredible amount of consideration and tweaking, and nextgen graphics, physics, and gameplay up the arse. Whereas the first 2 look like garbage, and probably took something under a year, and have very much fallen from grace.Ultratwinkie said:No, it doesn't. By your logic mario, pong, and tetris is bad. However, since Halo 3 and call of duty are ancient now, they must suck too. It's your logic. In fact since the all the consoles are over 1 year old they all must suck by your logic.ExaltedK9 said:Yea, generally newer does equal better. If that weren't true, we would still be playing pong, instead of Halo, and Call of Duty.Ultratwinkie said:Fanatical? No, i am pointing out how flawed your logic is. Newer =/= better, older =/= bad. 1.Don't like a game? Fine, don't play it. However you don't go bringing age into the argument otherwise your just spouting flawed logic. You also don't state your opinion as fact.ExaltedK9 said:Any game that was made before YESTERDAY is ancient? Aren't you being a little fanatical there?Ultratwinkie said:Yes, now go back to your call of duty and your medal of honor chest thumping of "war". Oh wait, they are ancient games too. Come to think of it Fallout 3 is ancient, batman arkham asylum is ancient, all halos are ancient, gears of war is ancient, Oblivion is ancient, morrowind is ancient, and every game not made in 2011 is ancient so they all must suck. >.>ExaltedK9 said:Yea I knew I was walking on hallowed ground when I said that I didn't think the first Fallouts were good. I will probably be made and example of...randomsix said:You forgot to put on your flameshield, broseph.ExaltedK9 said:I get so sick of hearing this. Theres a reason none of them are options on the poll. They are not comparable to the new installments. They are ancient and suck next to their predecessors,Super Toast said:Believe it or not, but Fallout 3 isn't the first game in the series.
In my opinion, Fallout 3 is the best, followed by Fallout 2, then New Vegas, then the original.
OT: Fallout 3, but only because of the abundance of glitches, and invisible walls in New Vegas.
Also predecessors are those that come before.
OT: Fo:3 is my favorite on account of Lincoln's Repeater. It really just makes it better than anything else, period. And yes, I am an Abe Lincoln fanboy.
Oh right, I mixed up my predecessors and successors.
Christ, this is the same notion that is set in concrete in immature freshmen in high school.
Don't like fallout? then don't come to fallout threads. Is that so hard to do?
And as it happens, I love Fallouts 3, and New Vegas. Just not the first 2, those suck more than a hurricane.
1. OK. But only as long as I have your blessing... I'll stick to only the good ones.
And the age of the first installements isn't irrelevent. I mean, its not gonna e winning any awards this year for it's stunning characters, and (poker face) breath-taking visuals.
And the definition of 'opinion' is the personal beliefs of an individual. Seen as factual, in other words. But next time I'll be sure to add an 'I think' so you don't feel insecure.
Opinion:
a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge.
Merriam Webster disagrees with you.
English & context, learn it. Really, this is getting embarrassing. English and logic fallacy back to back? What is next?
So you're saying that you didn't like a part of FO3? Well I didn't like any part of the first 2 Fallouts.RAKtheUndead said:I have one very strong argument against Fallout 3 - Little Lamplight.ExaltedK9 said:And as it happens, I love Fallouts 3, and New Vegas. Just not the first 2, those suck more than a hurricane.
As it happens, I have an especially strong misgiving about this particular section of the game. I had decided somewhere in the course of the game that I wasn't going to go anywhere near Little Lamplight, having heard some very bad things about the children in the game. Having played Fallout 2, and experienced how annoying the children were in The Den, I wasn't about to subject myself to the annoyance of video game children again in a hurry. So, I play the game until I hear that I'm supposed to get into Vault 87. "OK", I think, "they want me to go through Little Lamplight, but I'll try getting in through the front entrance. Through all of the radiation, if I have to."
So, I head up to Vault 87, and in what I consider one of my finest moments in computer gaming, I manage to make it to the entrance of Vault 87. Imagine my disgust when I find out that the door is locked and unpickable. I reload my save, and head towards Little Lamplight with serious misgivings about the game at this time, knowing that this was a Dethroning Moment of Suck for the entire game.
Hello, Mayor MacCready, you little bastard.
What made it even worse was that the children in Fallout 3 are invulnerable, unlike the ones in Fallout and Fallout 2. So, the game rubs my face in some of the most smug, irritating little bastards ever to disgrace the digital screen, and doesn't let me do anything about it. I wasn't even looking for a third option to take - I was just looking for a single alternative to having to go through the very worst portion of the game.
Fallout and Fallout 2 gave me the opportunity to break sequence. Fallout 3 forced me through a linear storyline in what was supposed to be a sandbox game, then had the audacity to make part of that linear sequence one of the most detestable experiences I've ever seen in a game. At least I could blow Lynette in Vault City to bits with a bundle of dynamite.
If it makes you feel a bit better, you can bully Princess and make her cry with a high enough Speech. Not much I know, but it always cheers me up a bit.RAKtheUndead said:What made it even worse was that the children in Fallout 3 are invulnerable, unlike the ones in Fallout and Fallout 2. So, the game rubs my face in some of the most smug, irritating little bastards ever to disgrace the digital screen, and doesn't let me do anything about it.
In a word, yes (good comeback though). And as for my probation, you know that Pixar thread thats so popular right now? Well I posted that I thought up was boring, and had the bad luck of that beingthe first post. And I caught alot of flak from pissed off manchildren who agressively rushed to its defense.Ultratwinkie said:I already learned it, the question is did you? Judging by your probation i'd say not. Since you seem to insult everything to get a rise out of people. Perpetuating speculation doesn't help your point at all, nor are your attempts to insult anyone who argues with you and even use points you can't even back up. Next gen graphics? Fallout 3's graphics were a joke, requiring the green tint to hide the texture and model defects. If your graphics are so bad you need to HIDE IT WITH EDITING, it isn't next gen graphics. Look at downtown DC with fellout installed (removes green tint that textures rely on), it looks like utter crap. Physics? It uses the outdated gamebryo engine, another laughing stock that is more outdated than valve's source engine. The game play is downgraded from morrowind, a step backward. Nowhere in fallout 3 is there "next gen". Not from a technical, storyline, or game play perspective.ExaltedK9 said:My debunking of your misinformed argument, of course. And thats not my logic, it's yours. Age can be irrelevant, but in the case of the Fallout series, it's not. It just means that Fallouts 3 and New Vegas took a small fortune to create, thousands of man hours, an incredible amount of consideration and tweaking, and nextgen graphics, physics, and gameplay up the arse. Whereas the first 2 look like garbage, and probably took something under a year, and have very much fallen from grace.Ultratwinkie said:No, it doesn't. By your logic mario, pong, and tetris is bad. However, since Halo 3 and call of duty are ancient now, they must suck too. It's your logic. In fact since the all the consoles are over 1 year old they all must suck by your logic.ExaltedK9 said:Yea, generally newer does equal better. If that weren't true, we would still be playing pong, instead of Halo, and Call of Duty.Ultratwinkie said:Fanatical? No, i am pointing out how flawed your logic is. Newer =/= better, older =/= bad. 1.Don't like a game? Fine, don't play it. However you don't go bringing age into the argument otherwise your just spouting flawed logic. You also don't state your opinion as fact.ExaltedK9 said:Any game that was made before YESTERDAY is ancient? Aren't you being a little fanatical there?Ultratwinkie said:Yes, now go back to your call of duty and your medal of honor chest thumping of "war". Oh wait, they are ancient games too. Come to think of it Fallout 3 is ancient, batman arkham asylum is ancient, all halos are ancient, gears of war is ancient, Oblivion is ancient, morrowind is ancient, and every game not made in 2011 is ancient so they all must suck. >.>ExaltedK9 said:Yea I knew I was walking on hallowed ground when I said that I didn't think the first Fallouts were good. I will probably be made and example of...randomsix said:You forgot to put on your flameshield, broseph.ExaltedK9 said:I get so sick of hearing this. Theres a reason none of them are options on the poll. They are not comparable to the new installments. They are ancient and suck next to their predecessors,Super Toast said:Believe it or not, but Fallout 3 isn't the first game in the series.
In my opinion, Fallout 3 is the best, followed by Fallout 2, then New Vegas, then the original.
OT: Fallout 3, but only because of the abundance of glitches, and invisible walls in New Vegas.
Also predecessors are those that come before.
OT: Fo:3 is my favorite on account of Lincoln's Repeater. It really just makes it better than anything else, period. And yes, I am an Abe Lincoln fanboy.
Oh right, I mixed up my predecessors and successors.
Christ, this is the same notion that is set in concrete in immature freshmen in high school.
Don't like fallout? then don't come to fallout threads. Is that so hard to do?
And as it happens, I love Fallouts 3, and New Vegas. Just not the first 2, those suck more than a hurricane.
1. OK. But only as long as I have your blessing... I'll stick to only the good ones.
And the age of the first installements isn't irrelevent. I mean, its not gonna e winning any awards this year for it's stunning characters, and (poker face) breath-taking visuals.
And the definition of 'opinion' is the personal beliefs of an individual. Seen as factual, in other words. But next time I'll be sure to add an 'I think' so you don't feel insecure.
Opinion:
a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge.
Merriam Webster disagrees with you.
English & context, learn it. Really, this is getting embarrassing. English and logic fallacy back to back? What is next?
As far as the opinion thing, heres another copy/paste from Webster's: a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter.
If you need the bottom line, refer to my previous post.
Not being a prick - learn it.
Graphics don't matter in a game. Only in shallow games do they matter, look up crysis. Its old and generic but still looks better than anyhing you've seen now. By the way you trying to compare a CRPG with an FPSRPG is just embarrassing. Next you'll say Dragon age was bad because it didn't have russians and guns.