Poll: Who is in the best position for the next gen: Sony or Microsoft?

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The next generation is rearing its head in gaming. With Nintendo off on their own Switch adventure, and industry newcomer Google, betting on Streaming with its Stadia platform. The main event will be the battle of the main 2 Platform holders. Sony Interactive Entertainment, and Microsoft. Sony famously took back its crown this generation with the success of the PlayStation 4. Ditching the complex Cell architecture, record financial losses, and unfocused confusion that plagued the early days of the PlayStation 3, and capitalizing on the failures from the then Draconian Microsoft and the Rudderless Nintendo. Sony was given dominance of the console market, practically on a silver platter, and has kept the PS4 in a healthy condition with a steady stream of big first party games, the best third party support, and a stellar marketing campaign that made one thing clear. PlayStation was made by gamers, for gamers.

But things are a bit different this time. Sony is still doing well with the PS4, with sales and games that still break records each year, but they no longer have the market to themselves. Microsoft has salvaged as much as they could of the Xbox One and has made up for quite a bit of lost time. They're now prepared to take Xbox as a platform beyond the console, by bringing the brand to Windows 10 PCs, offering its Netflix style Xbox Game Pass, and is also betting on Streaming being a viable outlet with its upcoming Project xCloud. Nintendo has also found greener pastures, dumping its floundering Wii U, in favor of the sleeker hybrid Nintendo Switch, which has found a comfortable niche between the console and mobile landscapes. Sony doesn't have the luxury of taking advantage of corporate incompetence anymore, so the battle for next gen is going to be much more fierce.

The PlayStation 5's specs were first revealed earlier this year, and it sounds like a pretty good beast on paper. Even having improved 3D sound from what we've heard. With PS4 releases from Sony slowing down, the company decided to forgo a presence at E3 this year, as they prepare to detail the next generation at a later date. From what we've heard via rumors, Sony is deciding to double down on its existing audience, as being the premiere platform for AAA games from first and third parties. Interestingly, rumors also say that Sony is de-emphasizing indie games on the console, instead building on its relations with large third parties like EA, Ubisoft, and Activision. This is a surprising shift in gears, as Sony took advantage of Microsoft's outdated policies and attitude towards indies early on in the PS4's life, positioning it as the definitive indie platform. Sony is instead focusing on positioning the PS5 as the ultimate hardcore gaming console.

Microsoft however, is focusing on reaching a broader audience. With tings like its aforementioned Game Pass and xCloud services. But also its newly beefed up Xbox Game Studios, which hopes to beat Sony's Worldwide Studios in first party games thanks to its series of recent acquisitions, like Ninja Theory, the developers of Hellblade: Seuna's Sacrifice. Project Scarlett is also, for the first time in nearly 20 years, set to launch with a brand new Halo game, that being Halo Infinite. Project Scarlett's specs are also impressive, seemingly boasting frames of up to 120 per second. Microsoft has also recently trying to outbid Sony in attention from both Indie and Japanese developers. Sony's recent censorship policies on Japanese games, may convince many of them to bring their games over to Xbox as well. And their relationship with Nintendo has also been growing with rumors of xCloud possibly coming to Nintendo's neon-colored tablet toaster in the future.

On paper, Microsoft seems to be in the best position for next generation. They've cleaned house on the mess made of the early Xbox One days, made important acquisitions to solve its first party drought problems, and has grand ambitions for putting Xbox all screens. Sony seems to be following a "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality, and doubling down on its core audience. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it could make them look stagnant and stuffy once the battle starts. Next generation is going to be an interesting creature for sure. We've got two main console makers fighting for dominance, a successful hybrid system, and our upcoming streaming overlords, all competing for your attention.
 

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It's pretty impossible to predict. The end of the previous generation people were saying nobody really cares about consoles anymore, and then Sony comes along and sells tons of 'm.

I'll be interested to see how Microsoft actually manages those studios it bought. Isn't Ninja Theory working on an Overwatch-like game? Not sure how much of a fit that is for that studio.
 

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Barring Sony pulling a 180 again and destroying everything they?ve done to position themselves as a leader, Microsoft would still need to do everything right this time, and that?s not going to happen with yet again a focus on cloud gaming bullshit and a perpetual reliance on Halo, Gears and Forza to sell consoles.
 

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I heard somewhere recently on a YouTube video (don't recall which one; can't cite) that there were talks of a Sony/Microsoft partnership? There was even mention of MS offering some of there exclusives on the PS platform; the logic offered was that consoles are actually loss leaders and that the money is made/recouped on games sales.
 

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Yoshi178 said:
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Squilookle said:
Is there even really a difference between them anymore?
Yes, Sony is the one with all the good exclusives.
Ha! good one.
What do you mean?

I know you love Nintendo but they aren't even in the running for the next gen. They've consistently been 1 gen behind everyone else since the N64. They do have a lot of good exclusives, but they aren't in the next gen conversation.

When was the last time Nintendo had a hit exclusive that wasn't a long running overly milked game from one of their perpetually milked series? Splatoon? Would anyone call that a hit? And Pokemon this year looks like it's gonna be a disaster.


Anyway OT, Sony should easily win the next gen race and perhaps if they whip Microsoft bad enough, Microsoft will pull a Sega and stop making consoles and instead just work on making use of their IP's for the Playstation and PC. If this war ends we can stop begging for cross play and everyone can just be on the same system no matter what again. That'd be nice.

Though I suppose competition keeps companies motivated. So maybe Microsoft will pump out a couple new IP's that are actually good, as well as make their all-star games good again as well. Gears has been steady but Halo is trash and needs a rework. The do beat Sony when it comes to Driving games though. I don't understand why Grand Turismo takes 15 years to develop every fucking time.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
I'll be interested to see how Microsoft actually manages those studios it bought. Isn't Ninja Theory working on an Overwatch-like game? Not sure how much of a fit that is for that studio.
That's actually been in development before Microsoft's acquisition. The Hellblade team is focusing on a new game.
 

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CritialGaming said:
They've consistently been 1 gen behind everyone else since the N64. They do have a lot of good exclusives, but they aren't in the next gen conversation.
Well, behind in terms of power specifically, you mean, which fewer and fewer people care about to the degree they used to. Its selling very well.

OT: Sony, unless they get complacent. Sony has a better repertoire of exclusives, a better subscription system (though still not good), and will likely have a better price point.
 

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CritialGaming said:
When was the last time Nintendo had a hit exclusive that wasn't a long running overly milked game from one of their perpetually milked series? Splatoon? Would anyone call that a hit? And Pokemon this year looks like it's gonna be a disaster.
ARMS, Labo, Snipperclips, Astral Chain, Xenoblade 2. And yes, Splatoon is a hit.
 

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-Looks at the history of gaming-

Considering Sony's past decisions I'm gonna put the chances of them fucking up at "Really Fucking High."
 

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Going by historical patterns Microsoft has a solid chance of overtaking Sony next gen. Its industry tradition that the winner of the console generation gets so arrogant that they think they can afford to make bad decisions in the new generation only to get swiftly punished for their hubris. Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo all suffered this fate and don't seem to be learning anytime soon.

But I'm still cautiously putting my money on Sony. Microsoft big weakness this generation has been their first party IP's and so far I've seen little to suggest this will chance.
 

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Nintendo has the best policies with regards to no censorship but sony has more good games worth playing whereas MS is being cannibalized by the PC too much to be relevant at this point.


So yeah if things keep going as they are, I see Nintendo having a good future and Sony is on a precipice whereas MS is off the cliff but thinking their falling is flying so they haven't realized their situation yet.
 

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Dreiko said:
Nintendo has the best policies with regards to no censorship but sony has more good games worth playing whereas MS is being cannibalized by the PC too much to be relevant at this point.
I don't think Microsoft sees the PC as a threat. As I said, they're trying to expand Xbox as a brand beyond the console, so introducing a PC version of the platform to compete with Steam and Epic Games is how they're going about it. That, and their xCloud service. Microsoft sees Xbox as more of a brand than a console now.
 

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Dreiko said:
Nintendo has the best policies with regards to no censorship but sony has more good games worth playing whereas MS is being cannibalized by the PC too much to be relevant at this point.
I don't think Microsoft sees the PC as a threat. As I said, they're trying to expand Xbox as a brand beyond the console, so introducing a PC version of the platform to compete with Steam and Epic Games is how they're going about it. That, and their xCloud service. Microsoft sees Xbox as more of a brand than a console now.
Yeah, they don't see that they're falling, they still are though. That approach is the whole exact reason why Sony took the reins in this gen. Doubling down on it isn't gonna make it be good for games or gamers. It may succeed in some other kind of way for some other kind of audience but we and definitely I am not that audience so that's the perspective shared here.
 

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Dreiko said:
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Dreiko said:
Nintendo has the best policies with regards to no censorship but sony has more good games worth playing whereas MS is being cannibalized by the PC too much to be relevant at this point.
I don't think Microsoft sees the PC as a threat. As I said, they're trying to expand Xbox as a brand beyond the console, so introducing a PC version of the platform to compete with Steam and Epic Games is how they're going about it. That, and their xCloud service. Microsoft sees Xbox as more of a brand than a console now.
Yeah, they don't see that they're falling, they still are though. That approach is the whole exact reason why Sony took the reins in this gen. Doubling down on it isn't gonna make it be good for games or gamers. It may succeed in some other kind of way for some other kind of audience but we and definitely I am not that audience so that's the perspective shared here.
Sony took this generation because Microsoft was too obsessed with trying to sell a piece of TV-focused spyware that tried to control how you can own and use the games you bought. Gamers naturally weren't having any of that, and Sony capitalized perfectly on their screw ups by just making a normal console that lets you play your games.

Microsoft has cleaned up its act enough to not repeat that mistake. So that's why Sony's going to have a tougher time next gen. It's important not to forget that consumer's aren't going to choose Xbox as a console, they're going to choose Xbox as a brand. If the brand delivers enough quality exclusives, then Microsoft will be alright.