Poll: Who is in the best position for the next gen: Sony or Microsoft?

[Yoshi178]

Vita says hi.

Talking consoles.

Vita is console.

Really? Non-handhelds, the thread is literally about the next-gen consoles (and Sony and MS ain't making handhelds, they'd both be pretty stupid to do so).

it's funny how only just the other day you were saying how much you prefer mobile phone board games over Switch games, but when you talk about how Sony's worst is better than Nintendo's best, all of a sudden the PS Vita doesn't count according to you...

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

it's funny how only just the other day you were saying how much you prefer mobile phone board games over Switch games, but when you talk about how Sony's worst is better than Nintendo's best, all of a sudden the PS Vita doesn't count according to you...

The thread is obviously about home consoles and Sony/MS's next-gen systems and people's predictions. I'm pretty sure handheld consoles have little-to-no impact in said discussion. So, yeah, when I'm predicting how the PS5 will fare, the PSPs really have no impact in said predictions. I never bought any PSP because they aren't that good of a gaming system (due to the libraries and not the hardware), the 1st PSP did decent enough (huge in Japan because of MH) plus it was a nifty little portable video player before smart phones exploded. Since smart phones, there's really no point in a standalone portable gaming system anymore.

 

[Yoshi178]

I'm pretty sure handheld consoles have little-to-no impact in said discussion.

handheld consoles.

consoles.

am i missing something? or is that a key word right there?

 

[themistermanguy]

-Looks at the history of gaming-

Considering Sony's past decisions I'm gonna put the chances of them fucking up at "Really Fucking High."

Funny that Sony's worst has been better than Nintendo's and Microsoft's best so...

Zelda says hi. :3

While OoT is one of my all time favorites, by this rationale the GTA series is also one of the all time best. I think he also meant more just modern era consoles, and since 1995 he?d be correct. PS3 ended up outselling XBox 360 by the end of the 7th gen with far more critically acclaimed exclusives, and while the Wii was the top seller it was due to the immense popularity with casuals.

 

[Yoshi178]

while the Wii was the top seller it was due to the immense popularity with casuals.

a lot like how the PS2 was just a glorified DVD player.

 

[Erttheking]

Vita says hi.

Talking consoles.

You do know that the official term is handheld console, right?

Vita says hi.

Talking consoles.

Vita is console.

Really? Non-handhelds, the thread is literally about the next-gen consoles (and Sony and MS ain't making handhelds, they'd both be pretty stupid to do so).

The thread is about what they're making. Just because Microsoft and Sony aren't making them doesn't mean they don't exist. And they'd be stupid to make them because Nintendo would cream them and has regularly creamed Sony (so much for Sony's worst being better than Nintendo's best.)

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

am i missing something? or is that a key word right there?

Let me know when Sony or MS release a handheld console, the thread is about their next home consoles as nobody would really give a shit about them making handhelds in the 1st place.

while the Wii was the top seller it was due to the immense popularity with casuals.

alot like the PS2 which was just a glorified DVD player.

Shocker, people like devices that can do more than one thing... What are smart phones? Glorified MP3 players? GPSs? Internet browsers? Portable game systems? Portable video players? Cameras? Social media portals? Online shopping devices? Online banking devices?

Why do Sony systems have higher software attach rates than their Nintendo counterparts?

 

[Erttheking]

am i missing something? or is that a key word right there?

Let me know when Sony or MS release a handheld console, the thread is about their next home consoles as nobody would really give a shit about them making handhelds in the 1st place.

*Cough* PSP. *Cough* PS Vita.

Also you'll find that the word "home" doesn't appear in the OP once.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Vita says hi.

Talking consoles.

Vita is console.

Really? Non-handhelds, the thread is literally about the next-gen consoles (and Sony and MS ain't making handhelds, they'd both be pretty stupid to do so).

The thread is about what they're making. Just because Microsoft and Sony aren't making them doesn't mean they don't exist. And they'd be stupid to make them because Nintendo would cream them and has regularly creamed Sony (so much for Sony's worst being better than Nintendo's best.)

The thread question is literally "Who is in the best position for next-gen Sony or Microsoft?"

Hint: it ain't about handhelds. Handheld gaming systems don't have much of a point with smartphones. The PSP sold more than the 3DS has. Every Nintendo handheld after the DS has sold worse from the 3DS to the Switch. What wasn't around for the DS/PSP handheld generation where handheld gaming systems sold the most they ever have in history?

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

am i missing something? or is that a key word right there?

Let me know when Sony or MS release a handheld console, the thread is about their next home consoles as nobody would really give a shit about them making handhelds in the 1st place.

*Cough* PSP. *Cough* PS Vita.

Also you'll find that the word "home" doesn't appear in the OP once.

Find me a post of anyone talking (seriously) about new handhelds from Sony or MS for next-gen in the thread...

 

[Erttheking]

The thread question is literally "Who is in the best position for next-gen Sony or Microsoft?"

Hint: it ain't about handhelds. Handheld gaming systems don't have much of a point with smartphones. The PSP sold more than the 3DS has. Every Nintendo handheld after the DS has sold worse from the 3DS to the Switch. What wasn't around for the DS/PSP handheld generation where handheld gaming systems sold the most they ever have in history?

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Good one. Yeah sorry, some of us like to game on the go with games that aren't garbage. Ergo they have a place.

Also PSP has sold more than the 3DS? If it was competing with the 3DS that might have meant something. But it wasn't. The Vita was. Sony's dumpster baby. Also that argument might hold water if it wasn't for the fact that the sales of consoles are down overall compared to their high watermarks. Sony's nowhere near close to beating its PS1/PS2 records, the Xbox One is selling far less than the 360. Correlation does not equal causation, that's a basic reasoning staple you overlooked.

Find me a post of anyone talking (seriously) about new handhelds from Sony or MS for next-gen in the thread...

No one, but the OP didn't include Nintendo either and you were more than happy to talk about them. So I thought I'd bring in all aspects of Nintendo and not just the ones you wanted to selectively include to make a narrow statement about Sony's worst and Nintendo's best, true.

Sorry, not sorry.

 

[themistermanguy]

Also, your view of sex as having to be this very narrow definition of "maturely handled" in order to be compelling storytelling is needlessly limiting and excludes tons of good content. You are also displaying a culturally ignorant view of Japanese sex and how women typically behave in order to be more appealing during it. You're confusing lack for affirmative enthusiasm for the woman not being into it as much when in fact it's the other way around and it is the strength of the reservation and shyness that often indicates pleasure/arousal and so on in this culture. You can't watch this like it's American made content and expect women to be crass and shameless.

Thanks for making my point. Reservation and shyness being seen as a strength and that the woman is enjoying it is a fucking problem in Japanese culture. And the fact that your describing women being vocal about it as crass and shameless.. oy.

On the other hand, so is the obnoxious, shamelessly entitlement minded spoiled brat ?woman? of modern America?s feminist-inspired culture. We?re still struggling to find an appropriate balance. Same kinda goes for men too in terms of what dosage of masculinity is considered healthy to women as well as themselves.

 

[Erttheking]

On the other hand, so is the obnoxious, shamelessly entitlement minded spoiled brat ?woman? of modern America?s feminist-inspired culture. We?re still struggling to find an appropriate balance. Same kinda goes for men too in terms of what dosage of masculinity is considered healthy to women as well as themselves.

So feminism = Beverly Hills rich kid now? I'm sorry, what?

 

[themistermanguy]

while the Wii was the top seller it was due to the immense popularity with casuals.

a lot like how the PS2 was just a glorified DVD player.

A glorified DVD player that also helped spearhead a new media format, while also hosting a ton of high profile first and third party games. Same goes for PS3 and Blu-ray which is still the physical standard thirteen years later. The biggest setback it had was Sony realizing they?d need to release it a year later than the 360 to make sure it wasn?t a pos. The Cell chip, while eccentric, was mostly meant to combat piracy and was minuscule in terms of BoM costs next to the Blu-ray drive (which again paid for itself at this point). Of course, the arrogant attitude didn?t do them any favors. Hopefully that never resurfaces.

 

[themistermanguy]

On the other hand, so is the obnoxious, shamelessly entitlement minded spoiled brat ?woman? of modern America?s feminist-inspired culture. We?re still struggling to find an appropriate balance. Same kinda goes for men too in terms of what dosage of masculinity is considered healthy to women as well as themselves.

So feminism = Beverly Hills rich kid now? I'm sorry, what?

You don?t have to look that far to realize something that should be pretty obvious, but maybe I?m getting old.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Also, your view of sex as having to be this very narrow definition of "maturely handled" in order to be compelling storytelling is needlessly limiting and excludes tons of good content. You are also displaying a culturally ignorant view of Japanese sex and how women typically behave in order to be more appealing during it. You're confusing lack for affirmative enthusiasm for the woman not being into it as much when in fact it's the other way around and it is the strength of the reservation and shyness that often indicates pleasure/arousal and so on in this culture. You can't watch this like it's American made content and expect women to be crass and shameless.

Thanks for making my point. Reservation and shyness being seen as a strength and that the woman is enjoying it is a fucking problem in Japanese culture. And the fact that your describing women being vocal about it as crass and shameless.. oy.

On the other hand, so is the obnoxious, shamelessly entitlement minded spoiled brat ?woman? of modern America?s feminist-inspired culture. We?re still struggling to find an appropriate balance. Same kinda goes for men too in terms of what dosage of masculinity is considered healthy to women as well as themselves.

A happy medium between enthusiastic consent and relying on horny dudes to be able to tell the difference between resistance and passive consent?

This is why they've got women only train cars, smartphone apps to yell when it's socially unacceptable for them, and mandatory shutter sounds on smartphone cameras. Japan has, frankly, horrifying stats on rape and sexual assault reportage, and a lot of it has to do with the expectation of Reservation and Shyness.

 

[Erttheking]

On the other hand, so is the obnoxious, shamelessly entitlement minded spoiled brat ?woman? of modern America?s feminist-inspired culture. We?re still struggling to find an appropriate balance. Same kinda goes for men too in terms of what dosage of masculinity is considered healthy to women as well as themselves.

So feminism = Beverly Hills rich kid now? I'm sorry, what?

You don?t have to look that far to realize something that should be pretty obvious, but maybe I?m getting old.

You'll forgive me if my eyes glazed over when I read that, because it comes off as the whole argument that your personal experience is the standard and anyone else's is abnormal. I'd say that what you're saying comes off as a stereotype, except it's literally the first time I've heard this stereotype about feminists. I thought the stereotype was that there were all humorless prudes.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

The thread question is literally "Who is in the best position for next-gen Sony or Microsoft?"

Hint: it ain't about handhelds. Handheld gaming systems don't have much of a point with smartphones. The PSP sold more than the 3DS has. Every Nintendo handheld after the DS has sold worse from the 3DS to the Switch. What wasn't around for the DS/PSP handheld generation where handheld gaming systems sold the most they ever have in history?

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Good one. Yeah sorry, some of us like to game on the go with games that aren't garbage. Ergo they have a place.

Also PSP has sold more than the 3DS? If it was competing with the 3DS that might have meant something. But it wasn't. The Vita was. Sony's dumpster baby. Also that argument might hold water if it wasn't for the fact that the sales of consoles are down overall compared to their high watermarks. Sony's nowhere near close to beating its PS1/PS2 records, the Xbox One is selling far less than the 360. Correlation does not equal causation, that's a basic reasoning staple you overlooked.

Android (and I assume iOS) have better games than the Switch so... I like to play games with actual good game design and unique mechanics like Through the Ages, Terra Mystica, or Tigris & Euphrates.

I recall the PSP being considered as not doing too well and it outsold the DS's successor somehow. I know different generations but handheld sales have dropped A LOT since the DS/PSP days. Last-gen consoles overall sold more than the PS2/Xbox/GC gen totals. PS4 will pass PS1 in sales. Home console sales dipped some this gen but nothing compared handheld sales.

Find me a post of anyone talking (seriously) about new handhelds from Sony or MS for next-gen in the thread...

No one, but the OP didn't include Nintendo either and you were more than happy to talk about them. So I thought I'd bring in all aspects of Nintendo and not just the ones you wanted to selectively include to make a narrow statement about Sony's worst and Nintendo's best, true.

Sorry, not sorry.

Sony, MS, and Nintendo are the big three and I merely commented that since Sony entered the console business their worst HOME console (PS3) has been better than both MS's and Nintendo's best HOME consoles (pick and choose any HOME console of theirs across any generation; PS1/N64 or later). Saying Sony is due to "fuck up" has really no basis, which was what I commented on. Microsoft has like no exclusives anymore (still just got Halo, Gears, Forza), Nintendo rolls out the same franchises since the 80s (high quality releases no doubt but rarely anything new), and Sony puts out more quality games and more diverse games than MS and Nintendo combined. Sony is arguably the best AAA publisher in the business on diversity, quality, and quantity with basically none of that AAA microtransaction/lootbox bullshit. And I don't even like most of Sony's 1st party games. Sony wins by putting games first, it's really that simple.

 

[Erttheking]

The thread question is literally "Who is in the best position for next-gen Sony or Microsoft?"

Hint: it ain't about handhelds. Handheld gaming systems don't have much of a point with smartphones. The PSP sold more than the 3DS has. Every Nintendo handheld after the DS has sold worse from the 3DS to the Switch. What wasn't around for the DS/PSP handheld generation where handheld gaming systems sold the most they ever have in history?

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Good one. Yeah sorry, some of us like to game on the go with games that aren't garbage. Ergo they have a place.

Also PSP has sold more than the 3DS? If it was competing with the 3DS that might have meant something. But it wasn't. The Vita was. Sony's dumpster baby. Also that argument might hold water if it wasn't for the fact that the sales of consoles are down overall compared to their high watermarks. Sony's nowhere near close to beating its PS1/PS2 records, the Xbox One is selling far less than the 360. Correlation does not equal causation, that's a basic reasoning staple you overlooked.

Android (and I assume iOS) have better games than the Switch so... I like to play games with actual good game design and unique mechanics like Through the Ages, Terra Mystica, or Tigris & Euphrates.

I recall the PSP being considered as not doing too well and it outsold the DS's successor somehow. I know different generations but handheld sales have dropped A LOT since the DS/PSP days. Last-gen consoles overall sold more than the PS2/Xbox/GC gen totals. PS4 will pass PS1 in sales. Home console sales dipped some this gen but nothing compared handheld sales.

Find me a post of anyone talking (seriously) about new handhelds from Sony or MS for next-gen in the thread...

No one, but the OP didn't include Nintendo either and you were more than happy to talk about them. So I thought I'd bring in all aspects of Nintendo and not just the ones you wanted to selectively include to make a narrow statement about Sony's worst and Nintendo's best, true.

Sorry, not sorry.

Sony, MS, and Nintendo are the big three and I merely commented that since Sony entered the console business their worst HOME console (PS3) has been better than both MS's and Nintendo's best HOME consoles (pick and choose any HOME console of theirs across any generation; PS1/N64 or later). Saying Sony is due to "fuck up" has really no basis, which was what I commented on. Microsoft has like no exclusives anymore (still just got Halo, Gears, Forza), Nintendo rolls out the same franchises since the 80s (high quality releases no doubt but rarely anything new), and Sony puts out more quality games and more diverse games than MS and Nintendo combined. Sony is arguably the best AAA publisher in the business on diversity, quality, and quantity with basically none of that AAA microtransaction/lootbox bullshit. And I don't even like most of Sony's 1st party games. Sony wins by putting games first, it's really that simple.

Better games than the Switch. PFFFFFFFFFFFFF. Good one man.

Correlation still does not equal causation. And it doesn?t change the fact that the console sale dip is happening.

You did not say home console in your post. If you meant that you should?ve said it. Also nah, I like the Switch better than the PS3. Hell I like the 360 more than that. Also more diversity and quality? Ok it has more exclusives than Microsoft, no getting around that, but Nintendo is just as good at avoiding scumbag monetization and has similar diversity in products. ( I?m falling asleep and on my phone so naturally this is a bit short)

 

[Casual Shinji]

Thanks for making my point. Reservation and shyness being seen as a strength and that the woman is enjoying it is a fucking problem in Japanese culture. And the fact that your describing women being vocal about it as crass and shameless.. oy.

On the other hand, so is the obnoxious, shamelessly entitlement minded spoiled brat ?woman? of modern America?s feminist-inspired culture. We?re still struggling to find an appropriate balance. Same kinda goes for men too in terms of what dosage of masculinity is considered healthy to women as well as themselves.

You consider bratty women as much of a problem as a culture that feels women should be seen and not heard? Not to mention that America has similar problems in regards to how women are treated, just not to as large of an extent as Japan. It's not like the rise of feminism of the last 6 or so years means many women in America and Europe aren't still harrassed or worse by men on a daily basis, even the bratty ones.