Poll: Who is in the best position for the next gen: Sony or Microsoft?
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You haven't played the games I've mentioned. Video gaming as far as game design goes is in a really bad place right now and game designers with cardboard, wood, and plastic are kicking their asses right now. Digital versions of those games are far better than what's being output on the Switch right now.erttheking said:
Console sales are most likely dipping because PC gaming has gotten so much more accessible with stuff like not needing video cards anymore to controllers becoming so much better supported to refunds being made available (that's only 4 years ago). You really only need a gaming "rig" if you want to play stuff on like ultra with 120fps. If you just wanna play a game, it takes very little on the hardware side nowadays. My 11.6 fanless Inspiron laptop can play Divinity Original Sin. So PCs are taking away some console sales IMO (still only a dip for 1 generation so hardly a trend yet) whereas Nintendo, king of handhelds, hasn't released a standalone handheld as successor to the 3DS.
The thread title and point of discussion wasn't heavily implied enough that we weren't talking about handhelds?
Nintendo got away with selling on-disc DLC with amiibos, they are hardly consumer friendly when you actually look at what they do. Nintendo, for some reason, gets passes for doing the same shit other companies get raked for doing. BotW made a hard difficulty part of DLC [https://blog.ryew.zone/why-arent-you-mad-at-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-s-hard-mode-dlc-a56caab474fa?gi=1287948d4223] but when another game like Metro did it, it was the end of the world. Nintendo's output is far less diverse than Sony's output, Nintendo rolls out the same franchises every gen even taking some shortcuts (MarioKart deluxe for Switch since WiiU failed so hard). There's singular games that have changed more over time than some of Nintendo's franchises (WoW vs Smash for example). I don't know how you can say Nintendo's output is diverse, plus their games are so risk-adverse and rarely release new IPs. Sony funds AAA adventure games (David Cage games but still), what other publisher does that? Regardless of how good/bad Death Stranding is, where else would Kojima have been able to make the game (in the AAA landscape)?
It took Nintendo how long to release a shooter (Splatoon) like the most popular genre of games? The xeno series dates back to the 90s; Smash is a newer franchise...Yoshi178 said:
Arms was a hit? Snipplerclips was a hit? Labo? You kidding?TheMisterManGuy said:
AStral Chain!? Are you shitting me? It aint even out yet. You can't call something a hit that isn't even out. (though it does look good)
Also I said specifically a hit "that wasn't a milked series". Splatoon 1 could but 2 doesn't when you consider it offered almost nothing new from the first game except being on the Switch. Xenoblade 2 is boarderline but ill give it too you but I dunno if it counts as a hit as the game was more niche than hit.
So 1 game? 1.5 games? Maybe.
Splatoon sold 4.5million units on estimate
God of War 4 sold 10 million.
Labo sold about 1 million units.
Horizon zero Dawn....oh look 10 million units as well.
Well golly gee, Nintendo's new "hits" don't compare to even a brand new Sony IP. Imagine that?
Let's check on Halo 5....oh they dont even say. They give vague number like "Best selling xbox one game" and such. Which means nothing because that console is a shit pile and of course people bought the only thing on it. Even then the reception doesn't bode well for a huge number of sales.
I mean normally that'd be a fair criticism but I think it's a safe bet you haven't played a huge amount of Switch games. Also, tabletop designers are kicking their asses? Ok. I actually play tabletop games(Just backed X-Odus on Kickstarter, check it out, I honestly think you'll like it)Phoenixmgs said:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/619812083/x-odus-rise-of-the-corruption
and I have to wonder what you're on about. Not every form of entertainment is competing with each other you know. Also, the theory about PC gaming is an interesting one, but it's just a theory at this point. And you kind of need something with decent hardware if you want to run AAA games at anything resembling a decent framerate. Games like Metro can be surprisingly demanding.
Nintendo wasn't in the title or OP either. I think bringing up handheld is fair game at this point
I don't like Ambibos but as far as DLC goes it's fairly pointless and inconsequential compared to other DLCs. Half the time it's just cheap items and cosmetics that can be unlocked anyway. And let me emphasize. I don't like it. But I think it's easily ignorable. And the reason Metro's hard mode was so hated was that it was something in the original game that had been cut out "the way the game was meant to be played", in Zelda it was a new addition, therefore not nearly as much as a big deal. Also, diverse output? Eh, not really. Sony has a tendency to play it kinda safe too, if we're being honest. The things that role in the really big bucks are either long-standing properties (God Of War, Persona, Uncharted, Yakuza, Infamous, Killzone, Kingdom Hearts until recently, kinda, sorta, it's weird) follow well established game archtypes (Horizon Zero Dawn and open world, Spiderman, same, also it's Spiderman, Days Gone, same but with zombies) and the "it's technically a new IP but we all know it's basically Victorian Dark Souls" (Bloodborne, speaking as someone who adores that game to death). And bringing things to the new generation is something we can't hold against a company, not unless you're willing to get angry at Sony for Spyro, Crash, and Shadow of the Colossus. And it's not like Nintendo won't let its developers go out and do something batshit crazy every once in a while, even it doesn't make sense. Like ARMs.
Honestly I'd put PS4 and Switch at neck and neck in my book. I utterly adore Persona, Yakuza, and Bloodborne. I like a lot of their games. I just think saying ones worst is better than the other's best is reductive in my book. I think they've both got creativity in their own way, considering Nintendo hosts classic JRPGs like Octopath Traveler, and even lets indie devs play with their IP, like Cadence of Hyrule. They've even got a bloody exlusive mech game coming up with Daemon Ex Machnia, and it handled fairly well in the demo.
As for Kojima, I think it's fair to say Nintendo wouldn't have a problem with the guy. I mean, they let Snake Eater onto the Gamecube, didn't they? In fact Nintendo's been pretty laid back about what it'll accept lately. It took on Saints Row 3 without a word of complaint. Remember. Bayonetta is a Nintendo property now.
Ok look. Looking back, I think I came off as an asshole. I'd like to apologize for that. I'm sorry. I enjoy Sony's stuff a lot and I'm considering getting a PS5. I also really like Nintendo and I think it's unfair to dismiss what they've done. Sorry if I came off like a blind, bitter fanboy.
Yup, they're all successful. You don't need to sell 50 million copies to be a success.CritialGaming said:
True, but you asked for New IPs, I gave them to you.
I already gave you games that were hits and not from "milked series". Like I said, you don't need to be a mega-popular 10+ million seller to be a hit.
You say that like its a bad thing. Again, depending on the budget of the game, you don't need massive sales to see success. Many companies are actually fine with 1-2 million copies so long as it turns a profit.
True everyone?s experiences are different to some degree, but the trend of the last few decade since the 60?s has involved women?s lib in a way that focuses more on competing with men vs simply being empowered in their own right and to their own strengths. Men and women are different for basic physiological reasons, and their unique qualities should each be allowed to be celebrated and to flourish. The other thing is, men and women are designed to be stronger when they combine their unique attributes, but the toxic, increasingly prominent variant of modern feminism basically says men can either fuck off, or only stick around only when needed in some selfish way.erttheking said:
Plus, Splatoon 2 is at 8.7 million, not including digital sales.TheMisterManGuy said:
Granted, 3 million of that is in Japan alone. And that 8.7 million is physical copies only.
I almost always have to play a board game before knowing how it plays whereas video games you can just watch a trailer and know how it plays for the most part (or played the previous entry). If you played one Ubisoft game, you know how they all play. BotW is Zelda gameplay with systemic game elements (which a lot of games have now) + an open world structure, not hard to put together. How much I'd like the game will come down where on the spectrum from organic to chorelike all the content in the world feels. I'm leaning towards chorelike because I know there's over 100 shrines, which seems like it would be content spread too thin. I've played Nintendo's franchises, I know how they play. Snipperclips has easily been the most interesting game I've played on the Switch. Anyway, back to board games, the fact that there are digital board games, which are video games, means direct competition. Early access Gloomhaven is coming out this month. Also, games are games, I'll play what I feel are the better games regardless of medium. I haven't played a video game in over 2 months but play board games at least twice a week. It's like how TV is better quality than movies so I watch less movies. Board gaming and TV are in golden ages right now so more time goes to them than it used to be.erttheking said:
Of course, my PC gaming theory is just a theory but you can play AAA games on cheap hardware now. For example, Blops 4 can be played on a $100 Ryzen APU (no video card required). Plus, many PC games exclusive to the platform aren't very graphics heavy either.
Nintendo is in the original post. Nintendo wasn't in the title mainly because they are in the middle of their current system plus Nintendo really doesn't do gens anymore and just do what they want basically. You aren't going to see stuff like RDR2 or Cyberpunk on Nintendo systems because their hardware can't really play them. The Switch isn't considered to be the start of next-gen even though it technically is because its hardware is on par with last-gen (PS2/Xbox/GC, PS3/360/Wii, PS4/Xbone/WiiU, and now Switch/PS5/Xbox Scarlett).
I'm not saying Sony is some beacon of perfection but in comparison, what AAA studio has more diverse games and takes more chances? Who would let Kojima make whatever the fuck Death Stranding is going to end up being? Who else would give a studio making adventure games (Quantic Dream) AAA money? What other publisher would've not canned The Last Guardian? Sony's devs do get to move onto new franchises like how Naughty Dog made 2 new franchises last-gen (Uncharted and TLOU), Guerrilla making Horizon, Sucker Punch making Ghosts of Tsushima, etc. The Souls series might not even of happened if it wasn't for Sony taking a shot with Demons. Nintendo's core devs constantly have been making the same franchises for over 20 years. I was commenting on how the Switch didn't really get its own Mario Kart and it's just the deluxe version from the WiiU. Sure, Sony put out a Shadow of the Colossus remake but we also got The Last Guardian, a brand new game to go with it. Also, quite a few of those games you listed aren't Sony's IPs like Yakuza and Kingdom Hearts. ARMs is a rather low-risk new IP as it wasn't expensive to make. Sure, Nintendo would probably let Kojima make Death Stranding if it cost what it did to make ARMs or Splatoon, but that's not the case.
I don't think any Nintendo or MS home console has a better library than PS3 does (which is considered Sony's weakest console). I'm pretty sure PS4 has more JRPGs than the Switch, though I'm not a fan of JRPGs because combat is usually bad turn-based combat with no positioning involved. I'm pretty sure most JRPG aficionados would take Persona 5 over Octopath, though it's kinda shocking how the Switch doesn't have Persona 5 as it released on PS3 and Switch hardware is close to PS3 hardware in power. The main games that are Switch exclusive that interest me are Platinum's games. Nintendo is really the only company that could currently challenge Sony but they're not because Nintendo isn't in the business of making a primary gaming system, it's a secondary system because it doesn't have the newest games because of dated hardware. I'd love for Nintendo to make a system that competes with PS/Xbox for home consoles because right now, it's not even a competition between Sony and MS, then I have to decide if spending $300 for a few Switch games is worth it. Whereas if Nintendo's systems could play all the latest 3rd-party games, I'd have a conundrum of whether to go Sony or Nintendo.
Don't worry about it. I know I come of as opinionated as well but I feel I stay as non-bias as one can in these matters of opinion. I'm not a fan of many Sony games as only 1 and a half Uncharteds are good (the 2nd one and the DLC to the 4th, that's it), only the very 1st God of War is good, Spiderman was merely just fun (overall game design was really generic), etc. But they just throw out so much stuff that some will stick like I completely loved Horizon (one of the few open world games done right) and The Last Guardian was amazing. I feel Sony has a higher chance at putting out something I didn't know I wanted and come to love vs Nintendo making very higher quality versions of known things basically, outside of Platinum games but I can't tell if Platinum is now like basically a Nintendo dev (I know Nintendo doesn't own them) or they just currently have a good relationship, which of course could change at any point.
I'm sure Splatoon 2 is drastically different from Splatoon 1 (which I played). I'm sure Mario Kart 8 DELUXE is drastically different from Mario Kart 8 (which I played). I'm sure Octopath is drastically different than the old classic JRPGs (which I played) that I never liked to play in the first place. I'm sure Watch Dogs 3 will be drastically different from Watch Dogs 1 (which I played) and I guess I'll have to play it to confirm it plays just like every other Ubisoft game. [/sarcasm]Yoshi178 said:
And Snipperclips is by far the most interesting game I've played on the Switch because it's, you know, different. Far more interesting than the newest Smash (that I've played) that plays just like every other Smash game.
Do you know what a sequel is?Phoenixmgs said:
and yes. there is actually quite a lot of different stuff about Splatoon 2 compared to 1. How drastically different do you want it to be? the next god of war game or something else that's also completely different to the first splatoon game?
If you didn't notice, an inordinate amount of Nintendo games are sequels. The biggest knock on Splatoon 2 is that it's not a full-fledged sequel. Even video games that aren't sequels are usually easy to know how they play. If you haven't played Uncharted, I'm sure you know how it plays. I can jump in and play just about any video game and know what's going on, try that with a board game, that ain't gonna happen.Yoshi178 said:
Portable consoles are consoles.Phoenixmgs said:
But if you want to limit this to home consoles, I still find it difficult to believe many people would go along with placing the PS3 above the N64 and SNES. Because that's nonsense.
Honestly with Microsoft and Sony it could go either way at any time. Nintendo seem to corner a market and diligently stick with it and honestly them trying to compete with MS or Sony in a graphics race is a fools errand for them. Their primary market isn't terribly concerned with raw power from my observations.