Poll: Who is in the best position for the next gen: Sony or Microsoft?
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I think half of your earlier post contradicts what you say here. The kinect was just one part of the shit sandwitch, it stood out but their general emphasis on non-game stuff which you're still displaying above is the core issue. People want consoles, not steam store hybrid tv adjacent entertainment centers that also play games. We already have those. We call them PCs. Sony just had to make a console that doesn't punch you in the face every morning or set your house on fire to win this gen. Sounds like they still do, as long as they mirror Nintendo's freedom from censorship stance. Otherwise I can see Nintendo lifting up as long as they put some power in that upcoming super switch of theirs.TheMisterManGuy said:
Dreiko said:
Another thought is that the Xbox brand has cannibalized their PC efforts, at least where gaming is concerned. GFWL has always been a half assed effort, and while it doesn?t really bother PC gamers who have everything through Steam anyways, it?s frustrating seeing everything MS does do for PC being nothing unless it?s first tethered to Xbox services.
Until a decent computer costs less that $1000, consoles are going to be a major thing for gaming. And Nintendo's set up to be everybody's console. Only console, second console, whatever, it's price point and gimmick is hard to beat.
And yeah, stuff like Splatoon 2 is a major hit: it was Japan's 4the Best selling game in 2018, only being beat out by Monster Hunter World, Smash, and Pokemon. Mind you, Splatoon 2 came out in early 2017. That's some staying power.
Lord only knows why it hasn't blown up over here.
8 of the 10 best selling games in Japan last year were Nintendo products.
And yeah, stuff like Splatoon 2 is a major hit: it was Japan's 4the Best selling game in 2018, only being beat out by Monster Hunter World, Smash, and Pokemon. Mind you, Splatoon 2 came out in early 2017. That's some staying power.
Lord only knows why it hasn't blown up over here.
8 of the 10 best selling games in Japan last year were Nintendo products.
Microsoft's a big bag of what ifs and maybes. And their last clearly stated direction was literally that they wanted to put Xbox on other platforms (including Playstation) as a streaming brand, effectively bowing out of direct competition
Sony for their part are perhaps a bit complacent, as while they aren't going as whole hog into the PS3 hole, there are various floating estimates of what all that horsepower will cost, and its not a competitive price by a fair margin.
Google's largely a niche product, because the infrastructure doesn't exist to support a streaming only option as a major player (which also applies to the less hyped Apple Arcade, which also has barely any conventional AAA support)
Sony for their part are perhaps a bit complacent, as while they aren't going as whole hog into the PS3 hole, there are various floating estimates of what all that horsepower will cost, and its not a competitive price by a fair margin.
Google's largely a niche product, because the infrastructure doesn't exist to support a streaming only option as a major player (which also applies to the less hyped Apple Arcade, which also has barely any conventional AAA support)
I'd 100% agree with em. Microsoft has barely done anything unique or jaw dropping for quite awhile, and a lot of their games are hitting the PC market as well. Sony in the meantime sent out smash hits like Horizon Zero Dawn, Persona 5, Bloodborne, Devil May Cry 5 and God of War. What has Microsoft done of note? Halo, I guess? Lot of varies opinions on that one. Sunset Overdrive? ... Quantum Break...?Yoshi178 said:
I'll be honest and say if nobody had mentioned DMC5 was censored I wouldn't even have noticed, because I didn't until I was halfway through and I heard people talking about it. Also, they patched the flares back out, I think.Marik2 said:
Maybe if this took place during the PS2 era, when nudity and a more juvenile depiction of women was way more prevelent, but these days there really isn't that much of it apart from in Japanese dating sims. Not that censoring is good, but I don't think it'll make much of an impact to the success or failure of the PS5, just as I doubt it will with Nintendo not censoring these games. It didn't in the past.
If we're purely speaking numbers and reception.. yeah.Squilookle said:Catfood220 said:
hanselthecaretaker said:
I don't disagree with this at all but if we're on a situation where something has got to give, it sure as hell won't be the PC. I'm not much of a pc gamer (mainly play visual novels card games and the occasional old rpg that you can't find elsewhere on pc, the majority of my gaming is on ps4) but there's undeniable value in a platform that is not tied to rating boards and lets you mod things easily and so on.
I don't see MS doing anything to help the PC but I don't think they need to in order to make it more attractive than having an xbox if practically every x1 game is also on w10.
The guy who was the head of the senran kagura series quit his company of 13 years and their upcoming game was canceled and a lot of other things are being affected such as the Omega Labyrinth series of roguelike rpgs (they have the real version on the switch and a toned down, literal kid version for ps4 for their newer one). You also have stuff like the one piece hot spring dlc not being released in the US and the removal of a bunch of scenes in Zanki Zero (a first person survival game, spiritual successor to danganronpa) too. Also there was word that the upcoming SAO:Alicization game would potentially axe its traditional bed-talk events present in all other SAO games due to this climate. It's hardly something that affects just visual novels.Casual Shinji said:
Well yes, looking at this generation where most of Sony's exclusives have been well received and most of Microsofts have been critically panned. I would say yes, the good exclusives are on the Sony console regardless of your own personal taste.Squilookle said:Catfood220 said:
Honestly I can't really tell them apart anymore, so I will take your word for it.Catfood220 said:Well yes, looking at this generation where most of Sony's exclusives have been well received and most of Microsofts have been critically panned. I would say yes, the good exclusives are on the Sony console regardless of your own personal taste.Squilookle said:Catfood220 said:
All this stuff falls under the same umbrella to me; anime ogling. Whether it's in visual novels or not. And while I'm against censoring, I really don't mind if some of this stuff receives a little culling. It's pretty much turned anime into the joke it currently is. I'm sorry for all those people who primarily play these games for that content, but I can't say I'll lose any sleep over it.Dreiko said:
Not sure how a game being canceled and another getting a whole unique version for one system but not the other to denote its userbase's implied inferior mental capacity to comprehend fictional content is in any way acceptable in media aimed at adults. I don't understand how you don't find that as condescending. Whether you like the content or not should be irrelevant. No company should be telling the audience what it can or can't consume if they're adults.Casual Shinji said:
Also minimizing a lot of these scenes as ogling is missing the point, they tend to be character development milestones. This implication that if a scene has sexiness, it's entirely consistent of it and has no other traits, is baseless. A lot of visual novels have out right sex scenes which are also character building and very entertaining from a storytelling perspective. I don't know exactly why the assumption is that something being sexy can only ever be sexy and you can't get great character development WHILE occasionally ogling, but I assure you, it is indeed possible. I dunno what else to tell you, maybe try playing Saya no Uta or something? (if you like lovecraftian horror I'm sure you'll enjoy it)
I don't think anyone would ever say that you can't get character development out of sex. It's just that visual novels suck at it. Like, suck hardcore.. In fact, visual novels in general have gotten a bit of a reputation for being trash, and while I can think of one or two that I feel like actually did it well, they're exceptions to the norm. So yeah, I'm joining Shinji and just saying it's oggling. Let me tell you, there's nothing that makes me laugh harder than the type of person who masturbates and thinks that they're making some kind of deep point while doing it. And that's exactly the type of person these scenes pander too half the time.Dreiko said:
They're not telling the audience what they can and can't consume, just that you're likely not going to find this particular entertainment on their system.Dreiko said:
Oh, it is definitely possible, it's just highly rare. And I certainly wouldn't look for it in anime centric games. Silent Hill 2 deals with sex in a relatively mature manner, Wolfenstein: The New Order even has two sex scenes that aren't gratuitous, and while I'm not a fan Bayonetta at least has a playfullness and joy to the character being sexy.
Anime, and consequently visual novels since they deal in the same architypes, suck at depicting sex in any sort of mature manner. The fact that you're playing a game that has a collection of girls for the player to pick one out of to sleep with says enough. There's maybe only two anime I can think of (that aren't hentai) that show sex between two characters that are mutually into it, without the girl (as is usually the case) being all shy and reserved, or the girl's enjoyment of sex being presented as too forward, odd or even twisted. Because god forbid a girl in an anime actually shows joy in her sexuality.
I dunno, I don't find sex scenes in visual novels something you'd actually masturbate to. It may be the genres I'm into but most of those are just character building moments and bonding moments. Not exactly something to masturbate to unless you also do so while reading books.erttheking said:
In a vacuum you may have had a point but when you have the literal same game come out with the kiddie version and the adult version of itself and even poke fun at sony for being censorious with its trailer then you do get the feeling that there's something amiss. Remember, this is Nintendo that's doing that, the most kid-friendly company. You shouldn't be possible to be more kiddie than Nintendo.Casual Shinji said:
Yeah...you're just generalizing all visual novels as harem games when there's as many types of them as there are book genres.
Most good ones don't really do this thing where you have a choice of having sex with multiple girls and you just pick like in a brothel. There's typically one couple and they go through stuff and you just experience the story. There may be other side sex events with different couples and various what if situations but those are not the core engagement or the true route.
Also, your view of sex as having to be this very narrow definition of "maturely handled" in order to be compelling storytelling is needlessly limiting and excludes tons of good content. You are also displaying a culturally ignorant view of Japanese sex and how women typically behave in order to be more appealing during it. You're confusing lack for affirmative enthusiasm for the woman not being into it as much when in fact it's the other way around and it is the strength of the reservation and shyness that often indicates pleasure/arousal and so on in this culture. You can't watch this like it's American made content and expect women to be crass and shameless.
Though again, if you do want dominant women (what you describe as being into it in this culture counts as being an alpha woman having sex with a genteel man) you would appreciate Saya no Uta so the recommendation stands.
*Snort*Dreiko said:
I'm sorry, I hear "character-building sex scenes" in the same way I hear "I read Playboy for the articles."
erttheking said:
Yeah and that's again a restrictive and close minded assumption you're making.
If you think about it rationally, how could a sex scene not be character building and reveal properties of a character's personality or deepen the bond between people. It obviously does all these things.
You may be conflating it with porn or hentai or what have you, which is not what I'm referring to here. This is just sex as a part of life and not as a taboo thing that you get as a guilty pleasure treat.
Do losers on the internet count for that many sales? I'm gonna guess no. Most of these changes are either so minor most people won't care or even notice without being directly told it's been removed.Marik2 said:
No clue. Sony I think's been dominating thanks to well-made exclusives, but they're gimmick of open-world, action-adventure games seems to be getting stale. Days Gone just kind of floated by and the next two big ones look to be similar, Death Stranding and Ghost of Tsushima. Microsoft got some kick-ass developers and if they can limit the games they make to Xbox and the PC store, I see them making a comeback.