Poll: Wiiophobia?

[DrDeath3191]

The controls suck. Lemme tell you a story. I was playing CoD 3 on this thing. <-- Here's where your argument became invalid. This game wasn't very good on the HD consoles, let alone the Wii. If you want to judge Wii FPS control, rent the Conduit, World at War, or Modern Warfare: Reflex. And in the beginning you get one of those tutorial lessons, and a German pounced on me, and while the screen was telling me to move my arm and nunchuck in a back and forth motion (the wiimote in the front and the nunchuck in the back, switching places), I was really into it so I was like sweating like HELL. But I kept dying. And I'm wondering wtf I'm doing wrong. Turns out you have to sit there and..I don't even know how to explain it. It's like you can ONLY go sooo fast (which too fast on the wii is anything above moving your arms 2 miles an hour). Not only that but throwing grenades and looking around to aim and shoot things is a nightmare.

The game library sucks. It's like living in Australia. The only good games that come out are always limited to PS3/360, and when they finally do come out for the Wii, the sequel is already out. And you wait THAT LONG to get shitty controls and graphics. Hell, the graphics are comparable to that of a PS2. Not always. Galaxy for example looks spectacular. As does the upcoming Red Steel 2. And Shattered Memories. And Boy and His Blob. And Rabbids Go Home. And (in some areas) the Conduit. There are games that take advantage of the system to make some visually striking games. In addition, those who make the true standout titles use the controller to great effect. The Conduit is heralded as having the finest console FPS control-setup in history. No More Heroes used the Wii Remote to great effect. Etc. Etc.

Another thing about the game library is that it's not only limited, the games in it most likely suck ass. ESPECIALLY games that are basically 20 different mini games that you're limited to play. Sure, some may like that, but the goddamn games themselves suck! It's like, getting a giant truck full of ice cream. You're like 'COOL! ICE CREAM!' but when you open the barrel, you see that the ice cream is filled with cement fragments and metal shards that will cut your tongue when you try and eat it. Some of them are, like, mixes of Anime and fucking Wii sports combined! With even more bad arcade/party games! That are near impossible to play with the wiimote anyway! Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything is crap. I can replace minigame collection with any genre and all consoles would be suffering. The existence of bad games does not invalidate the presence of well crafted ones.

I need to go to bed..
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[Guitarmasterx7]

There probably is, but honestly i think it's warrented. I own a wii and the only games I have are Brawl, Zelda, and Metroid, and the only one of which I think is at least good enough to stand out is brawl. I don't think justifies the purchase. My friend who had ONLY a wii until recently has been desperately trying to find good games for it so I end up borrowing them when he gets bored of them. All the "good" titles on it are decent at best when compared to games on the other consoles. Take the conduit for example. As a wii game it was great, but when compared to the more high end shooters on the other consoles like halo or CoD it's garbage. The wii motion sensors are almost never utilized RIGHT except in gimmicky mini games. Take Madworld for example. I thought the game was good (by wii standards) but really the motion controls just amounted to "Move the wiimote in any way shape or form."

I think when the wii was first announced everyone expected the wiimote to be used in ways that would seem obvious. Stuff like red steel. Yes it was unresponsive and buggy, and the graphics where so bad you seriously couldn't distinguish the enemies from the walls in most instances, but still, it's the only fucking wii game so far in which you get to use the wiimote as a katana and it swings the same way in game. when I saw no more heroes I was like "cool, I can use my wiimote as a lightsaber!" only to find out that you DON'T. You just press the A button to swing the lightsaber and move the wiimote to do "wrestling moves." In legend of zelda moving the wiimote pretty much just replaces the "b" button.

The most aggravating thing about it is that because of the inferior technology all the wii can really do is hide behind the motion gimmick, which we all knew going in, but we expected the wiimote to do something like swing a sword or shoot a gun. I don't think one person bought the wii going "OH BOY! Now I can use this cool motion sensor to make make mario spin around in midair!" Basically when it all comes down to it the wii's whole library consists of gimmicky mini games and slightly above decent at best games with bad graphics.

 

[DrDeath3191]

Nintendo continues to think of themselves as toy makers, as opposed to entertainers for people with more grown up tastes. Admittedly, adults can enjoy plenty of Wii games, but they're generally not particularly violent, nor are they really adult themed. By adult theme I simply mean that the game deals with complex emotions, political intrigue, and things like that.

Do games really need to delve into such things to be credible? Many games do just fine without such an approach. I'm not saying that exploring higher themes is bad, I'm saying that it is not what makes games enjoyable.

 

[skywalkerlion]

The controls suck. Lemme tell you a story. I was playing CoD 3 on this thing. <-- Here's where your argument became invalid. This game wasn't very good on the HD consoles, let alone the Wii. If you want to judge Wii FPS control, rent the Conduit, World at War, or Modern Warfare: Reflex. And in the beginning you get one of those tutorial lessons, and a German pounced on me, and while the screen was telling me to move my arm and nunchuck in a back and forth motion (the wiimote in the front and the nunchuck in the back, switching places), I was really into it so I was like sweating like HELL. But I kept dying. And I'm wondering wtf I'm doing wrong. Turns out you have to sit there and..I don't even know how to explain it. It's like you can ONLY go sooo fast (which too fast on the wii is anything above moving your arms 2 miles an hour). Not only that but throwing grenades and looking around to aim and shoot things is a nightmare.

The game library sucks. It's like living in Australia. The only good games that come out are always limited to PS3/360, and when they finally do come out for the Wii, the sequel is already out. And you wait THAT LONG to get shitty controls and graphics. Hell, the graphics are comparable to that of a PS2. Not always. Galaxy for example looks spectacular. As does the upcoming Red Steel 2. And Shattered Memories. And Boy and His Blob. And Rabbids Go Home. And (in some areas) the Conduit. There are games that take advantage of the system to make some visually striking games. In addition, those who make the true standout titles use the controller to great effect. The Conduit is heralded as having the finest console FPS control-setup in history. No More Heroes used the Wii Remote to great effect. Etc. Etc.

Another thing about the game library is that it's not only limited, the games in it most likely suck ass. ESPECIALLY games that are basically 20 different mini games that you're limited to play. Sure, some may like that, but the goddamn games themselves suck! It's like, getting a giant truck full of ice cream. You're like 'COOL! ICE CREAM!' but when you open the barrel, you see that the ice cream is filled with cement fragments and metal shards that will cut your tongue when you try and eat it. Some of them are, like, mixes of Anime and fucking Wii sports combined! With even more bad arcade/party games! That are near impossible to play with the wiimote anyway! Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything is crap. I can replace minigame collection with any genre and all consoles would be suffering. The existence of bad games does not invalidate the presence of well crafted ones.

I need to go to bed..
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You have a good point. I don't play on the Wii a lot and when I do, it's normally on a game I never played on any other console. My games collection for it is rather limited as well.

 

[mrx19869]

When the Xbox and PS3 come out with their own versions of the motion controller system next year, many people will be looking to drop their wii and get a PS3...

 

[Nigh Invulnerable]

Nintendo continues to think of themselves as toy makers, as opposed to entertainers for people with more grown up tastes. Admittedly, adults can enjoy plenty of Wii games, but they're generally not particularly violent, nor are they really adult themed. By adult theme I simply mean that the game deals with complex emotions, political intrigue, and things like that.

Do games really need to delve into such things to be credible? Many games do just fine without such an approach. I'm not saying that exploring higher themes is bad, I'm saying that it is not what makes games enjoyable.

No, not to be credible, but to be more likely to appeal to an adult, yes. Don't get me wrong, I love Tetris and other such games, but the majority of Wii games are nowhere on par with Tetris and such.

 

[Lilani]

No, there's definitely hate for the Wii, and lots of it. Trust me, it's not you.

Agreed. I think one of the main problems too is that here on the Escapist, most of the members of the forums are hardcore gamers. I know it's been said time and again, but the Wii is targeted toward more casual gamers, children, or people who have company over often and need a gimmick to entertain with.

Personally, I don't have much of a problem with it. I don't own one, and I don't think it would be the first console I'd go after if given a choice, but that's just because I'm not interested. If someone is interested, then good for them, they can buy it. It may not be the console in which the next greatest game of the decade will debut on, but it provides entertainment for those who enjoy the flavors it offers.

And honestly, isn't that what games are for? Entertainment, amusement, and the like? Who are we to criticize what kinds of entertainment people enjoy? Personally, I think this whole WiiHate thing is the result of a combination of elitist notions from the hardcore crowd, and a burst of angst from gamers as a whole because the gaming audience as a whole is shifting out of basements and into the general public.

One more thing: The title of this thread, for a split second, made me think it was about a terminal fear of urinating.

 

[asinann]

Tons of hate, most of it deserved. There has always been shovelware, but never before have I seen a console dominated so heavily by it. I have only played 4 games that were worth playing on the Wii that weren't for the emulators: No More Heroes (which won't cost 3x as much on the 360, but will be a better game because the motion controls will be gone) Metroid, Wii Sports (only the bowling game on it though) and Punchout (keep in mind, these are just of the ones I've actually played.)

The only game for the Wii that has truly benefited from being put on the system is Okami.

no i would say u are about right hate breeds more hate but people are still playing there wii's so there must be somethign but the quality of the experience drawn over some time especially when playing by yourself should be questioned

Wasn't a study done not too long ago saying that most people don't play it beyond the first 30 days other than an occasional party?

 

[ajb924]

I agree. The Wii deserves a lot of the criticism it gets, but not all of it. Most of the games are pretty bad but there are a few good ones. Off the top of my head I can think of:
Mario Galaxy
No More Heroes (I'm having troubles waiting for the second one)
Brawl (It's fun with friends)
Mario Kart (See above comment)
And a good number of Wii-Ware games
Super Paper Mario

Saying the Wii is shit because of it's many bad games is like saying the DS is shit for the same reason. Nintendo isn't doing an AMAZING job or revolutionizing gaming, but they gave it a shot. They tried to make a fun gaming experience for everyone while still holding true to their fans AND throwing in motion controls. They aren't doing excellent, but their trying.
And Nintendo did make an awesome touch screen game system, so sometimes their experiments do work. But you can't win them all.

 

[Aura Guardian]

When the Xbox and PS3 come out with their own versions of the motion controller system next year, many people will be looking to drop their wii and get a PS3...

I won't. Hell my Xbox 360 barely gets any use.

 

[Nazulu]

I don't hate the Wii or Nintendo, but I do hate HAL for the that abomination Brawl.

A couple of things that really shit me with my Wii is the controls, internet and game library.

Actually the Wii mote doesn't bother me that much even though I don't like to do certain actions to make some things work. No, it's because I have to use the Wii mote everytime to start up the Wii and select options and games. I would like it if I could just use a normal remote without having to worry about battery's and making sure it's in sync.

The internet speed seems fine when I am downloading classic games and going through the Wii software, but as soon as I use it to play certain games online I get major amounts of lag. I don't know whether or not it's because I live in Australia but I find it pointless to play online.

The Wii does have some good games like Mario Galaxy and No More Hero's but it really is mostly compiled with shallow party games. I just find it amazing that everytime I go to look at the shelves of video stores to see a whole lot of sports, olympics, music, mini games, etc.

It might be different for me because I usually get Nintendo consoles for the games made by Nintendo (yes I am a fanboy), but I find these sequals nowhere as good in quality to the games before. Especially the new Mario Kart, that game is just ridiculous, and I was hoping Brawl and MK Wii would be my new multiplayer games with a lot of replay value, unfortunatly not.

 

[Aura Guardian]

I don't hate the Wii or Nintendo, but I do hate HAL for the that abomination Brawl.

Personally, I love Brawl over Melee. But it's you're opinion.

 

[Laxman9292]

People say the games suck. It has more decent exclusives than either of the HD consoles even with No More Heroes making the HD shift. They say the motion controls suck. This is only true for game that don't use it right.

Ok i am honestly confused. While the Wii has some good exclusives, most are made by Nintendo with a couple made by 3rd party, but they cannot compare to the exclusives offered by other consoles.
Xbox 360: Crackdown, Fable, Gears of War, Halo, Left 4 Dead, Mass Effect, to name a few.
PS3: God of War, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Metal Gear Solid, Ratchet & Clank, Resistance, Uncharted, again for example.

also the lack of any real hardcore titles like Final Fantasy (on both the 360 and ps3 but not the Wii). The only good thing about the Wii is its backwards compatibility where you can play decent games sans crappy wiimote waggling. but the ps3 and 360 are also backwards compatible to some degree so it gets beaten there too,

and to be honest very few people have done motion controls right besides the nintendo made games. so that is another reason why they suck.

I love Nintendo too and it was my first video game love but you sir are just an unrelenting fanboy. to be honest the only games in my wii library are zelda and mario titles and wii sports and wii play. that should show you how good the games are for the wii.

 

[Laxman9292]

I don't hate the Wii or Nintendo, but I do hate HAL for the that abomination Brawl.

Personally, I love Brawl over Melee. But it's you're opinion.

as long as you use gamecube controlers, and theres a built in handicap too! give the best player the wiimote and watch him become crippled to the point of ridiculousness

 

[Nazulu]

I don't hate the Wii or Nintendo, but I do hate HAL for the that abomination Brawl.

Personally, I love Brawl over Melee. But it's you're opinion.

I know, many people do. I would of preferred it if you quoted me to know why, there really wasn't any reason for your post otherwise.

 

[Evil Tim]

Agreed. I think one of the main problems too is that here on the Escapist, most of the members of the forums are hardcore gamers.

No, they're not. Hardcore gamers are people who would sell their car for a Saturn copy of Radiant Silvergun, owned a Neo Geo in the 90s, can play two Time Crisis machines at the same time, or sortie in real-time in Silent Hunter. Most people here are regular gamers, neither particularly casual nor particularly focused about their hobby.

 

[SantoUno]

Yes there was always been a stigma towards the Wii for many reasons. I mean if you're a serious gamer there is no way you can only own a Wii, because all the latest games always come out for everything EXCEPET the Wii. I mean obviously you could never play a game like Assassin's Creed 2, Fallout 3, Bayonetta, or Modern Warfare 2 on the Wii, and I think that is why people don't take the Wii seriously.

 

[Aura Guardian]

I don't hate the Wii or Nintendo, but I do hate HAL for the that abomination Brawl.

Personally, I love Brawl over Melee. But it's you're opinion.

I know, many people do. I would of preferred it if you quoted me to know why, there really wasn't any reason for your post otherwise.

I'm guessing its because they took off the "glitches" in the game(Wavedashing I think. I never used it so I didn't care) Online play is smooth(at least to me and I do have proof)

I don't hate the Wii or Nintendo, but I do hate HAL for the that abomination Brawl.

Personally, I love Brawl over Melee. But it's you're opinion.

as long as you use gamecube controlers, and theres a built in handicap too! give the best player the wiimote and watch him become crippled to the point of ridiculousness

I can play with all four controller modes. ahaha

 

[Nazulu]

I don't hate the Wii or Nintendo, but I do hate HAL for the that abomination Brawl.

Personally, I love Brawl over Melee. But it's you're opinion.

I know, many people do. I would of preferred it if you quoted me to know why, there really wasn't any reason for your post otherwise.

I'm guessing its because they took off the "glitches" in the game(Wavedashing I think. I never used it so I didn't care) Online play is smooth(at least to me and I do have proof)

Hahaha, your a funny bugger. Thats a great way to avoid my reasons.

Wave dashing was interesting but I never got around to learning it and the online play for me is dreadful, however I have a 1000 times better reasons than that to rip on Brawl. If your not too afraid to ask, I'll let you know.

 

[squid5580]

I don't hate it. I don't ever want one again but I sold it got some games suited to my tastes and that is where our relationship ended. I still smile and nod at it when I see it in a store. It did nothing to me at all. We just weren't compatible. I am a big boy. I can accept there is products on the market that aren't suited to me or my tastes. I can go into a grocery store and see a vegetable or type of cookies I don't like. I just walk on by and grab the ones next to it that I do like. Strangely when that happens (which is every time) I don't feel the need to go on the internet and cry about it. I don't have this compulsion to holler out "OMG those gingerbread cookies are destroying my chocolate chip cookies" and run to the nearest manager and give him a piece of my mind. And every time I want chocolate chip cookies they are always there. Right beside the gingerbread living in harmony. Maybe one day there will only be gingerbread. No point worrying about that day until it comes though. Since the only other thing I can do is go to a forum and act like a little ***** which won't accomplish anything except making me a little *****.