Poll: would you die for your country?
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What an absurd notion. Die for your country... I've always held fast to the belief that dying is easy. Anyone can die for something, their homeland, their love, anything. But to live for your country, to devote whatever remains of your life, your energy, your time, to a nation you hold dear despite its flaws, despite what other nations say about it, despite the natural impulse to focus on yourself and your life, THAT is sacrifice in support of your country.
Live for your country...make the other bastard die for his.
Live for your country...make the other bastard die for his.
Nope. I'd die for my people though. "Country" is crap. "People" is less crap. I'd die for my people if it meant there was some lasting benefit I could conceive of before my death, for the people I was dying for.
Right, okay, from your statements I guess you come come from the Soviet Union, Cuba or North Korea, China, maybe another one I've forgotten. But when I talk about communism I do not mean that communism, I have my own version of communism, which is huggy lovey equality and human rights communism.The_Critic said:
Claiming that places like the Soviet Union, North Korea ect. practice communism is like saying the government of 1984 practice communism. No, they simply twist it to fit their way of ruling.
Edit: and like I said, America does have socialism, socialism is just where the government controls some of the industry. The concept of a minimum wage is socialist for goodness sake.
And is capitalism baby-steps towards objectivism?
(interestingly objectivism actually jives quite well with socialism, because only a fool thinks that to help your self you have to screw over others. Though even Ayn Rand didn't seem to pick up on that.)
More edit: Also, that last point, the Soviets had an army that used guns. So the revolution would be armed, even if it practised Soviet ideals (in which case I would not support them).
Also, I feel like your point is sort of a jab against Soviet gun control but it kinda falls flat seeing as I support gun control.
Being born in a country is an arbitrary happening that has nothing to do with my personal choices, and as such feeling patriotic just for the sake of it makes no sense.gabe12301 said:
No, I've moved around too much to be that patriotic for any particular country. Besides, how would I be remembered? A small white cross amongst a graveyard of thousands? Yeah... No thanks.
Dying for my "country"? Sounds incredibly stupid. I would die protecting the people I care about, not for some chunk of land, nor for the people who run the chunk of land, nor for some silly feeling of pride in the chunk of land I happen to live on.
Dying for your country is a bullshit noble cause that the military complex came up with to make people willing to get mowed down by enemy fire. It's not worth it. It doesn't need to be that grandiose or far reaching, if you need to fight, fight for the people you care about, if you need to die, die for the people you care about.
Dying for your country is a bullshit noble cause that the military complex came up with to make people willing to get mowed down by enemy fire. It's not worth it. It doesn't need to be that grandiose or far reaching, if you need to fight, fight for the people you care about, if you need to die, die for the people you care about.
There is not a big enough "NO." I love my country very much (though not at the moment, damn you Harper), but DIE for it? For the country, as the arbitrary thing that represents? Hell no.
I'd die to ensure all humanity universal healthcare for all time. I'd die to end policing and encourage peacekeeping. I'd die so that people can love who they want and never have to fear being hated for it. In short: I'd die for a lot of things I love about my country and I'd like to think my country stands for, sure.
But if just Canada needs to me to straight up take a bullet for it's continued existence? And the only thing I'm protecting is "Canada?" No thank you. I'll be very sad at its death and then move to France.
I'd die to ensure all humanity universal healthcare for all time. I'd die to end policing and encourage peacekeeping. I'd die so that people can love who they want and never have to fear being hated for it. In short: I'd die for a lot of things I love about my country and I'd like to think my country stands for, sure.
But if just Canada needs to me to straight up take a bullet for it's continued existence? And the only thing I'm protecting is "Canada?" No thank you. I'll be very sad at its death and then move to France.
It wouldn't really matter what I say here. Unless I was acually put into a situation where I really did have to "die for my country" or anyone for that matter I don't think I could give an honest answer because I'll likely never be in that situaton till it happens.
