No, because I'm not religious and despise monarchies.... and I'd probably never make it through the training.
Poll: Would you join the Space Marines?
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People have already pointed out that you don't really "join" the Space Marines. But would I like to be one? Not really. Yeah, they're pretty awesome on the battlefield, but I don't have the right mindset to find myself in that sort of role.
I can picture myself joining the Inquisition, on the other hand. Where's the video game adaptation of Dark Heresy, I ask!
I can picture myself joining the Inquisition, on the other hand. Where's the video game adaptation of Dark Heresy, I ask!
I expected this kind of response. And yes, modern special forces like for example the SAS (who have a 70% washout rate) have only a small portion of their recruits join them.Outcast107 said:
the major difference is that those washouts don't die during training (accidents not included of course). Their recruits are also volunteers so basically everyone can try. whereas the spacemarines have to select their recruits.
Regardless of the way you see things. modern special forces have an easier time finding recruits than the spacemarines.
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also you mentioned chaos. I've always wondered where those guys come from. If they are indeed fallen space marines, they have had to have gone through the same training as their regular counterparts but (as an added obstacle) would have had to have fallen to the "dark side". this would mean that those guys would have even more trouble finding recruits than the regular space marines.
I also saw this one comming.theonecookie said:
Which brings me to my next argument.
the spacemarines can't possibly keep control of all these worlds. They don't have the numbers for that and their chapters are too isolated. A single chapter of about five hundred marines (I don't know if that's the actual number but I'm just guessing after I read a wikipedia article saying each chapter has about a few hundred actual marines and thousands of support personnel.)
My point being that (due to their scattered chapters that never work together) they'll never be able to find all the recruits they need. If you have to go searching for "one in a million men" among trillions, you'll be occupied for quite a while and most likely turn up very little.
the space marines would need a full staff of people just looking for these recruits.
(the only way you can find the kind of people they want is by searching on the scene)
so sorry that I find killing off more than half of these people the marines spent so much time looking for, a little stupid.
Well That's right the space marines don't have the numbers to control all the worlds of the imperium hell even the recruiting worlds will have an imperial guard garrison of some sort even if its just in the local subsector
Also I think your overestimating the number of casualty's the space marines due to them being one in a million augmented power armored badasses they tend to stick around for a fair amount of time upwards of 200 years if their good so in reality normal a few marines training new recruits to make up for the losses and yeah they would have people working under them informents and such to help them find these recruits. It wouldent be to hard to find these recruits as thay tend to come from feral worlds where strength is power and so such
Also I think your overestimating the number of casualty's the space marines due to them being one in a million augmented power armored badasses they tend to stick around for a fair amount of time upwards of 200 years if their good so in reality normal a few marines training new recruits to make up for the losses and yeah they would have people working under them informents and such to help them find these recruits. It wouldent be to hard to find these recruits as thay tend to come from feral worlds where strength is power and so such
You seem to be forgetting one very important group...The Imperial Gaurd.Trillovinum said:
When the Adeptus Astartes aren't available the Guard do their best to fight back the hordes of...everyone else. Most IG regiments and battalions are just made up of conscripts and cannon fodder, there are also many elite troops and armoured columns to support them, and this...
And if all else fails, well then you go to plan B...
I've read the backstory for various Space Marine chapters (yes I play W40K), they will recruit adults as well, or at least in the 20s range of ages. You don't have to be a hulking slab of muscle, they do that to you. You just have to be clever, brave and be able to survive whatever they throw at you to test you. The Ultramarines would be far easier to get into than say the Space Wolves or the Blood Angels.
True, I was just using it as a example. Though you have to understand that space marines are selected, force into training and endure everything so they are ready to face the horrors of the galaxy.Trillovinum said:
Which takes us to chaos and why they are sort of brainwash (though I"m not sure how true it is to he brainwash), or at least why they pry a lot to the emperor. Due to chaos being very sneaky and tricky. Chaos is very good at its job. It will slowly whisper to the person, promising of power and a way to stop whatever invasion is going on. That or making sure a ship that passes into the warp stays there to deal with chaos daemons until they submit to their will.
If a Space Marine is feeling the effects of the chaos then most of the time they should go to see a Chaplin that deals with this kind of stuff. Though Chaos can still get its Space Marine like any other way just they normally pick out humans who prove to be the most useful.
Also one more thing before I end this post. Space Marine hardly ever die in combat. Its not like in the RTS where you send a full squad and they are kill off easily. They are one of the best soldiers of all time in the WH40K universe for the same reason is due to their training, weapons and armor. The only reason they might die is getting overwhelm by orks 1000:1, or having to fight Chaos without the help of Ordo Mallus or other daemon hunters of the Imperial.
Would I give up free thought, life as a normal human being, and subject my buddy to constant threat of physical destruction? Trade away my life as an Imperial slave forced to submit to incompetent fanatics and fight in wars that make being shoved head first into a wood chipper seem like a safer alternative?
If I had a suit of power armor, super strength, a reinforced body, and a suit that injects me with combat drugs you bet your fucking ass I'd trade it in. You'll probably die in training, but you're a dead man anyways so that isn't even a gamble.
I would slay everything that looked at the Imperium funny.
If I had a suit of power armor, super strength, a reinforced body, and a suit that injects me with combat drugs you bet your fucking ass I'd trade it in. You'll probably die in training, but you're a dead man anyways so that isn't even a gamble.
I would slay everything that looked at the Imperium funny.
Space marines don't die? I find that hard to believe. Every unit takes casualties from time to time and even the space marines aren't above that.Outcast107 said:
They're good, but you can't throw them into the kinds of battle's I read about and not sustain heavy casualties.
Eldar snipers, Tyranid Hordes, Necrons that keep getting up... those things will get to them.
wait so you can't join the marines and are brainwashed but you can still end up joining ChaosNouw said:
I smell A missing link
ChupathingyX said:You seem to be forgetting one very important group...The Imperial Gaurd.
When the Adeptus Astartes aren't available the Guard do their best to fight back the hordes of...everyone else. Most IG regiments and battalions are just made up of conscripts and cannon fodder, there are also many elite troops and armoured columns to support them, and this...
And if all else fails, well then you go to plan B...
The imperial guard may be called "the backbone of the Imperium" but they aren't any good. the potential is there but their tactics just aren't up to snuff.
While their tanks are impressive (to their standards) they use them in the wrong way.
From what I hear and read, it's the spacemarines that have to do the heavy lifting because the guard is getting slaughtered.
while this may be nice to set a story up, it does make the guard out as being rather incapable.
That said it also appears to me that the imperial guard is solely a defensive force.
That puts all the offensive work in the hands of the space marines. "the best defense is a good offense" and there aren't enough space marines to cover all the systems and simultaneously attack enemy targets.
you also mentioned plan B. destroying a world might work once or twice but you'll only end up shooting yourself in the foot.
The way I see it. The Imperium is on a losing streak and will succumb in time. the loss of all those worlds is impossible to recover from and eventually they'll be defeated.
I never said they don't die. I just mean they don't die like in the RTS games or even table top games. In most of those battles i'm sure a few space marine died, unless a super unit was summon up.Trillovinum said:
Like the battle at the ultramarine homeworld. They were heavly outnumber and outmatch by the Tryanids. That is one battle that I can understand why a lot of space marines would die. I'm just saying on a normal battle, a space marine chapter might loose about a handful of guys. Depending on the foe they are fighting.
A example of this would probably be Storm of Iron, read it if you havn't, its a great chaos book. In the book the IG gets some of the Imperial Fist as backup. Though I believe it was only five of them. I need to check up on it as I havn't read it in a good while.
They were doing a damn good job holding off the Chaos Space Marine until two daemonic beings came in and own the shit out of them. One being a Khronate daemon possessed soldier and the other being the Chaos Lord himself on the verge of becoming a Daemon Prince.
You make a good point but that wasn't my original point. The point was that, if space marine training is as deadly as they say. it would be impossible for them to recover their losses quick enough because the sheer search for new recruits would be impossible to maintain.Outcast107 said:
This may be true. Though we also have to remember that Space Marine are only allow a certain amount to join at a time. I believe it was a 1000 to a company? and depending how many worlds they get their soldiers they would easily resupply them.Trillovinum said:
