Pro Gamer Suspended For Saying He Had Sex With a 14-Year-Old

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I disagree with the fallacy that being a pro means he has to be any different from any other gamer.

He should be able to say everything amateur players say everyday without everyone making a big deal about this.

13thforswarn said:
Poor guy? Wtf? How can you have any sympathy for him? I mean, what the bloody f*** was he thinking? How is that even a joke (assuming it's not true)? "I abused a child" is appalling and he rightful got suspended (though you did acknowledged this).
Not being his first language, for all we know he could have been talking about a game he played against a kid.

Evil Smurf said:
And this is why rape jokes are not funny.
There's always a funny joke. You just haven't found it yet.

PirateRose said:
He probably didn't actually abuse/rape a 14yr old, but it certainly sounds like he was bragging about banging one. If it is legal wherever it may have taken place and the teenager was fully willing, then that's not the real problem.
He just said "abused". The person that mentioned fucking first was not him. And expressions like "abusing/fucking" can have thousands of meanings on the internet. Like I said, it could all refer to a game.

Example: dominating an adversary in a videogame has been known as "rape" since I remember.

PirateRose said:
The problem is he was bragging with such language about sex with a 14yr old with viewers who may be in locations where it is illegal and they will be offended.
God damn it, we don't want anyone to be offended. That's the worst thing that can happen. Let's all eat our meat under the table so that we don't offend the vegetarians. And homosexuals should act straight in public to avoid offending anyone.


GoaThief said:
As if that makes a difference. I'd call a 19 year old an adult and a 14 year old a child... I would say in your example both are pretty much equally reprehensible. 5 years is a lot of difference around that age.
So what? That situation can possibly be legal/fall under the Romeo and Juliet Laws in many countries. Are those cultures reprehensible? It's a five year difference, not a 10 year difference.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
Well, this clinches it. Sexual scandals? Esports can now join the big leagues of Baseball, Basketball, Hockey and the like.
Well, even among those so-called "big leagues" there's a world of difference around how they deal with this kind of thing. Sean Avery (NHL) was suspended for 5 games for making a comment about another player taking his "sloppy seconds". Meanwhile, Kobe Bryant (NBA) got away clean after raping a woman.

I for one am glad that esports is erring on the side of caution with this kind of situation. Even if no real wrong was done (i.e. he didn't actually assault a 14-year-old), he still needs to learn that as a public figure, people are looking up to him like it or not. And if he actually did what he said, he really should be banned for life. I hope esports never tolerates the kind of shit that happens in like lives of some "big league" sports players.
 

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The bigger problem is: Why the fuck are people acting like "professional gaming" is a thing?

Professional. Gaming.
Dumbest thing I've ever heard.
 
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Evil Smurf said:
ischmalud said:
one question comes to mind....who cares?
Evil Smurf said:
And this is why rape jokes are not funny.
and happy birthday :)
thanks man :)

marche45 said:
Evil Smurf said:
And this is why rape jokes are not funny.
One bad joke does not make it unfunny.
they never were funny.
I don't know about you, but I've found some rape jokes hilarious.
 

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Just like to point out that english isn't his native language, and even if he DID have sex with a 14 year old all the people on here calling it 'abuse' and 'rape' are sheltered fools who obviously never went to parties in high school or even understand basic human physiology.
No, you don't just suddenly 'like' sex on your 16/18th birthday and never want it before that. The human body is programmed to want it right from the onset of puberty - 12yo+. I have personally met early 15 year old girls who were completely DTF, who are illegal despite them acting and more importantly looking 17.
People who live in countries where the legal age is 15/16 understand this, and go by maturity, not a random age restriction. It's the people from countries with 18 or higher laws who get massively offended and start spewing around 'rape' like the fucking apostrophe sign as soon as anyone under the age of 16 is mentioned anywhere near the word sex.

NOW:
People are talking about how 'fuck are you streaming' is an admission of guilt. No it's bloody not. He might've started off quasi-serious, as in 'pwned this 14yo' but not realizing how it sounded until the other guys reaction because he's not a native english speaker - at which point he saw joke/distraction/self-jibe potential and added in a 'only milfs or young' afterward. He could've then realized what he said on a livestream where american viewers would start kicking up massive amounts of bullshit because 'OMG RAPE YOU GUYS' and was like 'fuck'.
He didn't admit shit in anything he said or did. It seems like he made a small joke after using english in a slightly weird way, which suddenly blew up once he realized what he said would be sent around the world instead of between people who could get that he was poking fun at his error and just laugh and get on with their lives.


If this is the direction professional gaming is going, as in the complete 'PC' way with massive fines for the wrong word, professional gaming can go fuck itself and be ignored by me just as hard as any other sport franchise where a player saying the wrong thing around the wrong crowd can lose millions. Don't like something someone says? Fine. Be offended. Just shut the fuck up about it and stop trying to have the world change to fit your pathetic little self. You can be offended without causing a massive shitstorm. Soon we'll be banning motherfucking colours on cars because black wagons remind peoples of hearses and that offends them.
 

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I get the impression seeing as English isn't his first language that he meant 'abused' as in 'rape', and 'rape' as in the idiotic yet popular slang term used in gaming for kicking somebodies arse in a game.

May be wrong, but that's pretty much the first thing I thought of when I saw he wasn't English.
 

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Wait wait wait, he actually get paid to be a pro gamer? (Before you asked, I'm not exactly familiar with the whole pro gamer stuff other than you have to be really good at it and compete for it.)
 

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Aaron Sylvester said:
I abused a 14 year old once.

My army of marines absolutely destroyed his base thanks to my strategic genius.

Problem?
No problem, because you immediatly clarified what you meant and you're not a person of public interest. "Stephano" didn't and he is, so there's a difference.
Deshara said:
Eh. Some people say shit. Who cares?
You should, if you think of yourself as a respectable member of the gaming community, you should stand for it, whenever there's a situation this community might make a spectacular land in the dirt in the public eye, which it is currently creating more and more opportunities for.

ElPatron said:
And i think you are twisting the point to your likelihood, which doesn't make it right. If, as a pro, he shouldn't be different than any other gamer, then why is he earning huge money for playing games? Why are his games/matches promoted and streamed all around the world? Why does that not account to any other gamer? Because there is a difference. He became a representative of gaming and now he has to act like one, which means applying to the social rules of public behaviour. If you don't like those rules, that's another thing, you can work to change those, but until then, people of public interest can't say everything without getting the corresponding feedback. Also, wanna tell me the probable reason child abuse isn't mentioned in the video you're referencing? Well, i'll do it myself: It's because child abuse is another matter than eating meat, expressing homosexuality in public, or even consuming goods from unfair, or even inhuman production. It is so because vegetarians, homosexuals, fair trade and human right supporters as well as (most) oppressed social groups are somewhat capable of defending themselfs. There are exceptions, but those are just as delicate as child abuse. Imagine a journalist, or even politician making a statement supporting the state-as-is in north Korea - say hallo to another person being condemned by the public, for good reasons.
AzrealMaximillion said:
So when do we start banning online console gamers for saying racial epithets and claiming to rape their opponents?
Very likely won't be long. Look at the other matter from Street Fighter x Tekken, shows where this is going.
Elect G-Max said:
Ok, then elaborate me pls. It's just that, statistically speaking, most victims of child abuse aren't able to properly expres their victimization and/ or aren't heard by their respective legal guardian. That's why many cases of child abuse aren't recognized until the victims grow to their middle age and build the strength to resolve the issue. That's also the case with many victims of "adult" sexual abuse. I know, that for young people most laws appear like major resctriction and discrimination, been there just some years ago, but in fact, young people in their maturing process are vulnurable to being exploited (abused) in many, many ways and should be protected from that. Sure, the first person to protect them are their parrents and other close, familiar guardians, but in reality, unfortunately, that isn't working all the time, up to not very often. That's why there has to be other means, for example laws, to protect the maturing process, until the individual is capable of expressing and defending itself. Sure, some aren't even capable when they are "mature", some never are and sure it could be done in many better ways, some ways are definetly shit, but you have to draw a line at some point and those are the current perimeters. I think, Cox would approve.
In his home country, it definetly is illegal. I think he knows that and the consequences for violating thoses rules/laws, even if he never violated them himself.

madster11 said:
First, i don't find him guilty of rape by any means until now, but he's innocent until proven guilty in that matter. That doesn't affect how i think about his management treating the matter until now.
Another thing is, you are right, one doesn't just like sex on their xy birthday. Some biologosists and sociologists even state, that the disposition is already set in infantility, for example including a "sexual oral phase" before the age of 2, which is then dropped and later reoccurs. Does that mean, you can have oral sex with an infantile? Fuck no (gah, can't resist bad word-play anymore)! The thing is, if you know how, which is rather easy as an "adult", it is just to easy to exploit the occuring sex-drive of an adolescent. In this state, you can hardly say if the adolescent is mature enough or not,or if or when it is actually affection or love and when it is exploitation, that's why you have to draw a hard line, which is definetly set above 12 and in most cases above 15 or even 18, to encourage that first sexual experiences are made within same-age groups.

Slightly OT: Just had a discussion a short while ago about the age of political participation, which is, in the last decades, constantly lowering in europe. I very much support higher political awareness at younger ages, though i am very glad i didn't have to realy bother about this, but could bother about other things when i was 15. And, when i look at adolescents presenting political symbols they don't understand yet, i'm certain it is good they aren't entitled to alrady participate in this matter, but still have time to further learn about it. And again, sure there are many, many adults who have no real idea what they are doing in a political context, too. And again, there has to be a line somewhere and best thing to better the general situation is to first increase political awareness "everywhere".
 

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Grey Carter said:
Bakhtanains later argued that "sexual harassment is a part of [the] culture,"
I'd say that's worthy of a skull-crushing facepalm......and if you somehow survive, you can go on to crush Bakh's skull for making you crush your own.
 

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Scarim Coral said:
Wait wait wait, he actually get paid to be a pro gamer? (Before you asked, I'm not exactly familiar with the whole pro gamer stuff other than you have to be really good at it and compete for it.)
:p The $30K fine that the LoL team got slapped with was the prize money for making it to the Semi Finals in the tournament. Think it was the semi-finals. Anyways, they basically had to forfeit their prize money for making it to a certain point in a tournament.

In short, the keyword in "pro gamer" is "pro", which implies they get paid for it like all professional competators in anything else. Not trying to sound like a dick, just wanting to answer your question.
 

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Scarim Coral said:
Wait wait wait, he actually get paid to be a pro gamer? (Before you asked, I'm not exactly familiar with the whole pro gamer stuff other than you have to be really good at it and compete for it.)
Actually, Stephano is probably one of the better-salaried pros out there, in addition to whatever tournament winnings he gets.

His team has referred to itself as "the New York Yankees of Esports", and they're not afraid to throw money at the big name of the day.

People who can actually make a good living from a game are rare, though. The best teams in Starcraft 2 are usually among the poorest, making elusive tournament winnings the only real source of income.

According to sc2rankings.com - which has reliable numbers as far as I know - Stephano has the fourth-highest tournament winnings in the game, with nearly $200,000 since the game's release. Top spot goes to the Korean "MC" with $340,000.
 

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I'd just like to point out that as SC2 pros go, stephano tends to be kind of a prick. I'm disinclined to care super much about this because of that, for that reason.
 

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ElPatron said:
what? That situation can possibly be legal/fall under the Romeo and Juliet Laws in many countries.
Do explain, with examples.

Are those cultures reprehensible?
Quite possibly, yes.

It's a five year difference, not a 10 year difference.
So you'd be happy with a 14/15 year old boy to be having sexual intercourse with a 9/10 year old girl? As you get older, especially at the end of or out of the teens, age gaps mean less. Not many would bat an eyelid at a 19 year old and 24 year old bumping uglies because there's not a world of difference between their physical and mental maturity. That is the problem with a 19/18 year old and a 14/13 year old, there is a world of difference in maturity.

I find it worrying that numerous people are attempting defence of his actions*

if he has done it, of course. I accept that he may have made that ill-advised comment in jest or similar.
 

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France, as well as poland has the age of consent set at 15 yo so I guess it's easy to make a mistake and you dont ask a girl for an... well whatever document can verify her age, I guess school legitimation? Anyway, most of Eouropean countries and not NEARLY as fixated on legal age as USA (while I understand that 14 is too soon than expecting teens to wait till 18 is even more dumb)