Pro Gamer Suspended For Saying He Had Sex With a 14-Year-Old

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RJ 17 said:
The $30K fine that the LoL team got slapped with was the prize money for making it to the Semi Finals in the tournament. Think it was the semi-finals. Anyways, they basically had to forfeit their prize money for making it to a certain point in a tournament.
No they didn't, not at all. For cheating they won 120k instead of 150k in that round, 30k went to the charity. That was the only penalty.

ccdohl said:
What is the business model that permits people to be professional gamers? That's my biggest question. I know that gaming accessory companies sponsor people to endorse their products and such, but I don't see how that translates to good marketing.

Do people watch a lot of streamed Starcraft matches or WoW arena matches? I mean, I'm a pretty big gamer and I can't name a single professional gamer, much less the products that they use.
Game accessories, PC components, energy drinks, teenage clothing and fashion stuff like colognes (see the prime clothing line and monsieur j for example); all those inserted the same way as TV commercials.

Then you have add banners in the sites and in the streaming of pro casters (and i would differentiate pro casters from pro gamers, because a lot of pro casters suck ass but are likeable so they get viewers), the revenue for the tickets to see pro matches live and the suscription to the tournament to see it on the web.

And then you have susponsors like LG and Samsung.

Those are what i have seen. Not good marketing? So you think that an add in the superbowl for example is bad marketing? Really don't follow your logic. Big tournaments are watched by 500k or so people worldwide, and they are also a very narrow kind of guys, so it's ideal target marketing.

Edit: Also WoW arena has beed dead for almost half a decade now. ATM SC II and DotA games (both DotA 2 and LoL) are the only "big" e-sports in terms of viewers, but fighing games and FPS have a lot of diehard fans.
 

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I forget that 'pro gaming' is a thing because it's a pretty stupid thing.

Oh no! I don't get paid to play video games for three weeks?! Whatever shall I do?!
 

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Sheo_Dagana said:
I forget that 'pro gaming' is a thing because it's a pretty stupid thing.
Oh no! I don't get paid to play video games for three weeks?! Whatever shall I do?!
He just can't go to tournaments, he's still streaming and stuff.
And you have to remember that this is his job.

If you can't work for a month, you would feel the effects.
 

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shadowslayer81 said:
Sheo_Dagana said:
I forget that 'pro gaming' is a thing because it's a pretty stupid thing.
Oh no! I don't get paid to play video games for three weeks?! Whatever shall I do?!
He just can't go to tournaments, he's still streaming and stuff.
And you have to remember that this is his job.

If you can't work for a month, you would feel the effects.
Pro gaming isn't a forty hour a week job. There is a difference. They 'work' maybe two or three days a week. Even if they had to train, getting a part time job to supplement your income would be smart.

Also, aren't most of these guys salary? I had read that most 'pro gamers' have a salary-based income, but I could be wrong about that.
 

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Sheo_Dagana said:
Pro gaming isn't a forty hour a week job. There is a difference. They 'work' maybe two or three days a week. Even if they had to train, getting a part time job to supplement your income would be smart.

Also, aren't most of these guys salary? I had read that most 'pro gamers' have a salary-based income, but I could be wrong about that.
#1,6,10
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/30/the-10-steps-to-becoming-a-pro-gamer/


EG is the only team that actually salaries their team. Even in Korea which is considered the motherland to eSports is struggling with salaried teams.
http://scvrush.com/posts/10034-interview-with-totalbiscuit-on-the-korean-scene-sponsor-issues

EDIT: Also if you're going to argue your point, I'm going to ask you for proof that you're not just talking out of your ass.
 

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Sheo_Dagana said:
I forget that 'pro gaming' is a thing because it's a pretty stupid thing.

Oh no! I don't get paid to play video games for three weeks?! Whatever shall I do?!
I love just how clueless your post is.

Yeah, because he totally plays the way you do, he doesn't have to practice a ton of hours and work out new tactics for the ultimate competitive community, nope, he just plays for fun like you, he just so happens to be paid for it. *facepalm*
I'm sorry, in what way does his suspension prevent him from doing all of those things? And ya know what - maybe training hardcore and planning out all those tactics and competing like he does are HIS way of having fun with video games and he just happens to get paid for it?

I know what goes on into professional gaming, thanks. I just think the whole idea of professional gaming is silly.
 

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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww.

People play Starcraft II professionally?
It's not that big a thing in the western hemisphere, but last I heard South Korea had multiple TV channels dedicated to Starcraft - there it's easily more popular than most sports, except maybe football.
Sheo_Dagana said:
Pro gaming isn't a forty hour a week job. There is a difference. They 'work' maybe two or three days a week. Even if they had to train, getting a part time job to supplement your income would be smart.
"Even if they have to train" is rather lol-worthy. Pro gaming easily entails a full-time job's worth of training.
That said: the unreliability of prize money as primary source of income indeed dictates the need for a part-time job for many.
 

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Its the other guy insinuating that its pedophillia, you could really read his line "i got abuse of a 14 year old" like some kid was arguing at him. If im wrong i feel bad for defending but i think its a valid point :/
 

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Sheo_Dagana said:
*snip*
I know what goes on into professional gaming, thanks. I just think the whole idea of professional gaming is silly.
Does that include all professional sports and competitive play and events? I mean, every single one? If so, your point is legit, still won't be of much interest for most people, but suit yourself. Otherwise, why is that? Why of all things, while in soccer, wrestling, skating, chess or whatever you can think of, there should be a competitive professional base, while not for gaming?
I think that's a bit of another topic, but for your statement to work, that's a point you would have to make clear.
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I... eh, uhm, what? Sorry, i don't get what you're trying to say. I think i might, but still, could you please clarify?
 

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But I honestly don't get the point of 'pro-gaming'. Gaming is a hobby, a way to wind down, relax, escape or whatever. It's not a profession, and the people that treat it like one baffle me.
Because it's fun to get excited about two people doing things that I could never do with complexities that I don't understand but I can if I just played enough and studied enough.
It also has just the raw thrill of watching an army die to another army with flashy lasers and exploding bodies.
Plus I can sit there and just talk to people about someone's results in a tournament and feel apart of a community without anyone in the background shouting at me that I'm a nerd or whatever.

It's the same reason people are into sports.
 

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Abandon4093 said:
Kargathia said:
Abandon4093 said:
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww.

People play Starcraft II professionally?
It's not that big a thing in the western hemisphere, but last I heard South Korea had multiple TV channels dedicated to Starcraft - there it's easily more popular than most sports, except maybe football.
It was just meant to be a bit of a joke, I know the Koreans take all things Starcraft very seriously.

But I honestly don't get the point of 'pro-gaming'. Gaming is a hobby, a way to wind down, relax, escape or whatever. It's not a profession, and the people that treat it like one baffle me.
I'd say the driving factor behind pro-gaming is not relaxation or entertainment, but competition. And while I don't care enough for winning to go and spend 8 hours every day practicing, I can certainly understand where they're coming from - just like I can understand sporters training for 8 hours every day, just for the chance to one day win that gold medal.
 

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"Pro Gamer"?



Smack talk is a common staple of today's "average gamer", I imagine "going pro" doesn't change the magnitude of dickery people spew thoughtlessly at others. Add being a teenager to the formula and you can imagine that most of what will be said will be unmitigated shit (no offense teenagers, I was one of you once so I know all too well).
 

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Soak said:
I... eh, uhm, what? Sorry, i don't get what you're trying to say. I think i might, but still, could you please clarify?
I just read it as Stephano had gotten verbal abuse of a 14 year old, its the other person in the chat log that is insinuating he meant "fucked". It's broken english because its not his native language. if i make any better sense :S otherwise ill be quiet :D
 

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Sheo_Dagana said:
Pro gaming isn't a forty hour a week job.
No, you're right. It's more than that. Top teams for League of Legends e.g. Azubu Frost spend 12 and up hours a day playing, watchign replays etc.
 

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Geofuji said:
Soak said:
I... eh, uhm, what? Sorry, i don't get what you're trying to say. I think i might, but still, could you please clarify?
I just read it as Stephano had gotten verbal abuse of a 14 year old, its the other person in the chat log that is insinuating he meant "fucked". It's broken english because its not his native language. if i make any better sense :S otherwise ill be quiet :D
Ah, now i get it. Yes, possible, that would take a lot of preassure from the matter. But you see, you pretty much showed part of the problem. It took you mere seconds to explain what you meant, as far as i've read, "Stephano" missed that, and hasn't realy explained what was going on until now. Only thing he stated until now was in his apologie, where he said that he was "way over the line" (his apologie was obviously dictated by his management). Unfortunately, that's still not enough. The question remains, over what line he has been exactly. The fact that it's still not resolved within Evil Geniouses doesn't make it better.
I surely hope for his sake, that it was just a verbal mistake, misunderstanding or whatever, but we'll have to see about that.
 

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Whole lot of confusion up ins.

1: "Pro gaming" is hard motherfucking shit. There's a godawful amount of training (though Stephano claims that he spends less time practicing than most any other pro), and the training generally isn't fun. Hope you like grinding out the same god damn experimental build 30 times in a day against a teammate to see if it can stand up to a few basic rushes.

2: People have asked about where the money comes from. Generally speaking, players join teams, companies pay teams to advertise for them. This is something that Stephano's team, EG, does really well. Even if a player like Incontrol isn't tournament-winning-caliber, he's a charismatic and funny guy, and he promotes the shit out of his sponsors.

3: More on money, and specifically streams: people watch them. A lot. It's 3:00 my time right now - hardly peak streaming hours - and I see that Idra has nearly 4000 viewers and White-Ra has 2200. Now, those are both marketable, big-name players, and most individual streams don't get nearly that much attention even at better hours, but that daily viewership - players make money off of commercials they run based on how many people are viewing their streams - makes for nice supplemental income.

Now, as for the major streams? It's hard to get exact numbers because of restreams and it's hard to account for China for the League of Legends streams and shit. But for a basic idea of what the biggest tournaments get, MLG Spring peaked at 437,000 concurrent viewers, with 4.7 million unique viewers over the course of the event. I think most Dreamhacks have about 90,000 concurrent viewers at their peaks. The IPL had 350,000 peak concurrent viewers around the same time as well.

4: Someone above mentioned Korea having two television channels dedicated to Starcraft. This is not quite accurate.

Brood War was fucking huge in Korea, but it had been going through a long, slow decline for a while. Competition from new games like League of Legends, the Savior scandal (one of the absolute best players that had ever played the game was caught convincing rising talent to throw games for illegal betting purposes)... shit added up. Two gaming-centric television channels broadcasted Korean Brood War games: OGN and MBC Game. OGN is still around, but MBC Game had to rebrand itself as a music channel.

So why didn't they pick up Starcraft 2 if it's so popular?

Because nobody cares about Starcraft 2 in Korea.

Korea has the best players, but the general public doesn't give a shit about it. And this is problematic, because that means that sponsors can't afford to give a shit about it (with a couple exceptions, of course), so you have all these teams full of incredible talent but absolutely no money. And Europe and North America are full of fans and sponsors and huge-prize-pool tournaments, but so rarely do we produce anyone actually capable of competing with the Koreans.

5: But why the fuck would people watch other people play fucking videogame tournaments?

Because lots of us like seeing superhuman feats. We like seeing people do shit that we know that we could never accomplish.

But it's important that we have a frame of reference. I don't watch figure skating because I can't tell the difference between the degree of difficulty in one move with the degree of difficulty in another. That's why for some people, the superhuman feat is this:


Or this:


And for others it's this:


Or this: