PSP Is Go!

[Brotherofwill]

And I noted that you never actually responded, so it remains that its a moot either way.

Dude, you're arguing that games can't work with two sticks. When I point out how they can, you asked me how they were any better. You seemed to understand how the games would work with one system have dual nubbies, and one without.

And then you came back to the forum, and kept saying (even yelling) it couldn't work. Your response was childish, and so is everything else you've posted here so far.

In my opinion, most if not all games are improved by having dual analogues. Sure, in Lumines it wouldn't matter, but in racing games we could look around the cab of the car, JRPG's would get better camera controls, and FPS' would actually work (did anyone else play Coded Arms, yuck).

I don't want to interupt you two, but from what I can remember the transition from no analogue to 2 sticks wasn't as simple as you described. The sticks were introduced and soon a lot of the new games required you to use them. I still remember when I bought Ape Escape I got the big "F-U" moment by realizing I couldn't play it without the nubs, so I don't think introducing the second stick now would be usefull.

For games to truly make the best out of 2-stick controls they would have to feature them in a prominent way and it would significantly deduct from the playing experience if you would play it with only one stick. Now this might work, but it still would seem like a dick-move from Sony which would almost force customers to go buy the new system.

 

[Blow_Pop]

Oh please! Why does Sony keep trying!? They know DS is more popular, advanced, and better. I hope that rumor of Microsoft buying out Sony comes true.

Really Microsoft buying out one of the biggest electronic companies in the world? Where have I been? Oh thats right, I've been on planet Earth, not bizzaro world.

it's a rumor! WOW it doesn't mean it's going to happen. I just heard it on a different website that's all.

Yes but think about the rumor. The absurdity of it is well... Absurd.

*thinks about it* nnnnnnnnnnnno I could see that happening. Anythings possible. Microsoft might buy it out just so they belong to them. But that doesn't mean Sony disappears from the earth.

You could see Microsoft buying out the entirety of Sony? Let me repeat that; Microsoft buying out the ENTIRETY of SONY. Think about it, Sony is a humongous company that isn't going away soon, if one section is going bad they still have home electronics, movie industry, music industry, etc.
Need I continue?

That's completely absurd to think of. Microsoft wouldn't do that. Sony has too much and won't give it up to Microsoft. Just think of all the people who would give up everything Microsoft if they did buy out Sony....and how many boycotts would go on.......

Do I need to repeat. ANYTHING is POSSIBLE!!!! For example Mac could buy out Microsoft entirety.(which that would be a good idea then Mac fixs the 360 with no RROD and everything else (HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE)) Things happen and it could sound impossible but it happens.

Well just stop for a moment and think about it, and not anything is not possible, some things are downright impossible.
I can never fly, I can wish all I want to but it's just never going to happen.
The day Microsoft buys out Sony) is the day Hollywood stars stop doing stupid shit. In other words it is not going to happen in either of our lifetimes but if it does I'll be more than happy to admit I was wrong.
Sony would need to file bankruptcy before it set it self up for buy due to its remarkable hold on multiple entertainment industries. You have to admit not even Microsoft has a hold on the entertainment industry as Sony does.

And I could never be invisible or in two places at once or have teleporting abilities so I would get to stop wasting so much damn gas for work....screw just hollywood stars not doing stupid shit, the whole american population including the government.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

And the GO is a scud..... dual nubs dammit DUAL NUBS...better games better ports...no can't have that..... but we can have a breakable sliding screen......oh fck this makes the DSI look good....

 

[iJosh]

Somewhat looks like a fail.

Because everything that has to do with sliding fails. Cell phones and all.

The slider breaks to easily. But still, I would buy it just to say I had it.

 

[Pendragon9]

I know I commented here already, but I think I might have summed up my feelings for this.

The old PSP was fine, and I don't think we needed an improvement. Yes, the second analog stick would be nice, but I don't have to have it.

Overall, this is exactly like the DSi. We don't need it. I don't know what companies think when they want updated versions of their handhelds. I know they're in it for the money, but Nintendo and Sony could do a weeee bit more than this.

I'm also looking at you Microsoft. *stares at Zune*

 

[Ben Legend]

It certainly looks quite good. But i cant decide whether I prefer this or my original PSP.

But still, no second anologue stick.

And i wonder how many shoulder buttons there are.

 

[scotth266]

HOW DOES A GAME THAT NEEDS TWO STICKS WORK ON A PSP WITH ONLY ONE STICK?

Er... what? Should they have to? I mean, in every new handheld Nintendo made up till the DS, they came out with a new sort of cartridge that the older ones couldn't run. So your ranting is sort of moots. Then again, I'm regarding this as the next PSP and not a PSP upgrade... Besides, we're talking about a company that seems to not care much about BC.

 

[Erebu]

Then again, I'm regarding this as the next PSP and not a PSP upgrade... Besides, we're talking about a company that seems to not care much about BC.

But it isn't. People fail to realise that this "thing" is nothing less than a PSP. This is NOT a PSP2!
Ohhh... I see I guess you are one of those who argue about the PS3 BC?
Well you have voted with your wallet that's why there is no BC in PS3 anymore.
It is not because a company didn't care... it's because gamers demanded a lower price!

 

[scotth266]

But it isn't. People fail to realise that this "thing" is nothing less than a PSP. This is NOT a PSP2!
Ohhh... I see I guess you are one of those who argue about the PS3 BC?
Well you have voted with your wallet that's why there is no BC in PS3 anymore.
It is not because a company didn't care... it's because gamers demanded a lower price!

This is supposed to be drastically different than the previous PSP. Hence, I regard it as a successor rather than a upgrade...

And I say pffft. I would have gotten a PS3 regardless of price if it had BC, I didn't buy one immediately because the launch titles were mostly blah. I was waiting until a mass of good titles had accumulated, and the inevitable price drop had occured.

 

[Erebu]

This is supposed to be drastically different than the previous PSP. Hence, I regard it as a successor rather than a upgrade...

And I say pffft. I would have gotten a PS3 regardless of price if it had BC, I didn't buy one immediately because the launch titles were mostly blah. I was waiting until a mass of good titles had accumulated, and the inevitable price drop had occured.

How is this drastically different? The development-process it is the same because it is still the same architecture. The only thing that changed is the distribution channel hence the loss of UMD. Why else will the PSP3000 still be available? The PSPgo is a tool to slowly and carefully convert people towards digital distribution nothing else. The real change will be the PSP2 but it's time hasn't arrived yet.
Seriously... this internet-anger/drama is unneccessary and pointless because there is no drama and nothing to be angry about.

PS: About PS3... you do realise that the pricedrop was only possible because of the loss of several features? And yet they still don't break even!

 

[scotth266]

Snip!

I'd regard the change in format as a drastic change... Look at it from my point of veiw: the Gameboy and the Gameboy Color were basically the same thing, but with a different cartridge format. Yet the Color is regarded as the Gameboy's successor.

I know that the Color also came with a lot more processing power, but I'm trying to make a point here. The point being that the PSP Go is radically different than it's predecessor. They might as well have added a second stick while they were at it...

Also: All consoles drop in price eventually, regardless of whether or not things get cut. That's the price cut I was waiting for. Instead, they cut BC, and lost me as a customer.
At least until they put it back again...

 

[IrrelevantTangent]

Meh, I'm sorry, but this seems like a bit of a money grab, don't you think? Yes, it has new features, and I salute Sony for improving on their design, but I wouldn't spend another $200 just to get the same system with a few new features. *shrugs*

But then again, I'm not a PSP owner and I only own a PS2 as far as Sony vidjagame systems go, so take what I say in stride.

 

[scotth266]

But then again, I'm not a PSP owner and I only own a PS2 as far as Sony vidjagame systems go, so take what I say in stride.

PS2: Still better than modern-day systems at times.

I mean, goddamn. When I look back at what that baby could run.... Mmmmm.

The only thing it lacked was some really good online support.

 

[Erebu]

Snip!

I'd regard the change in format as a drastic change... Look at it from my point of veiw: the Gameboy and the Gameboy Color were basically the same thing, but with a different cartridge format. Yet the Color is regarded as the Gameboy's successor.

I know that the Color also came with a lot more processing power, but I'm trying to make a point here. The point being that the PSP Go is radically different than it's predecessor. They might as well have added a second stick while they were at it...

Also: All consoles drop in price eventually, regardless of whether or not things get cut. That's the price cut I was waiting for. Instead, they cut BC, and lost me as a customer.
At least until they put it back again...

I am sorry I still can't agree.
The GBC was twice as fast as the GB and games designed for GBC couldn't be used on old GB units.
What about the PSPgo? As much as I can see the hardware is still the same. DLC will work on both hence the PSP is upwards compatible whereas the PSPgo can't play UMDs directly, something we have never had before (as much as I know)! I hope we will see a solution for people with UMDs. Some kind of conversion-plan has to exist. If not, then I can and will agree with everyone labeling it as a failure.

Referring the second analog stick. People tend to forget that the only thing they had to do in the PS1 era was spending money on a new controller and not a new console. The difference here is that if you would want to enjoy your new "second analog controller game" you would have to buy a new handheld. I really doubt people would like to do something like this. It would only create all kind of "Sony betrayed the PSP install base" posts on the boards and nothing else. But as I have already mentioned if they have no UMD transfer solution then... see above.

 

[scotth266]

Snip.

Eh, whatever. You have your view, I have mine: it's really just a tomatoe, tomatoh debate.

With regards to the second stick: your argument confuses me. Why would they be betraying the customers by giving them what they want? All the people I know that own PSP's have told me that they would like a second stick... Then again, that assumes that you're looking at the sucession thing from my point of view. I see the decision to not include the second stick as stupid, because if they announce this at E3, the "next" PSP (going from your view here) will likely not be released for a while.

 

[Erebu]

Snip.

Eh, whatever. You have your view, I have mine: it's really just a tomatoe, tomatoh debate.

With regards to the second stick: your argument confuses me. Why would they be betraying the customers by giving them what they want? All the people I know that own PSP's have told me that they would like a second stick... Then again, that assumes that you're looking at the sucession thing from my point of view. I see the decision to not include the second stick as stupid, because if they announce this at E3, the "next" PSP (going from your view here) will likely not be released for a while.

Well for example this story...

"Tommy has a PSP3000 that he loves. He spent his hard saved money to get one and his favourite game is "Resistance Retribution".
Sony announces PSPGo with a second analog stick and Resistance Retribution 2 as the game that supports it.
RR2 has no RR controls and won't get it later as a patch... hence Tommy would have to buy a new PSPgo.
Tommy is very angry... all he can think of is posting on NEOGAF and releasing his rage. He sells his Sony consoles and hails Microsoft/Nintendo.
The End... Epilogue: Sony cries a river"

Well actually I think the GO is a test/conversion model for Sony. They used the Mylo design and the PSP hardware. It seems like they haven't spent much on R&D for it. My guess is depending on the success of the Go we could see the real new PSP hence the PSP2 in two years maybe even next E3. As they have stated their main goal is to become profitable. I guess that is the reason why they are so cautious with their design choices.

 

[scotth266]

Snip.

That Tommy example really doesn't make much sense. By that logic, there would be no fans of Nintendo handhelds at all...

I understand where you're going with this: that Sony might be afraid of ticking people off by making a new handheld at this point. Give me a moment to check something.

EDIT: It's been four years since the PSP was released. The timeframe from Gameboy Color to the GBA? Three years.

So yeah, I don't think that there's any need to keep the old one going. Sony can bring in a new one now, and it wouldn't piss the customers off.

 

[sorry user name taken.]

I'm shocked.....


that's all I'm saying...

 

[IrrelevantTangent]

But then again, I'm not a PSP owner and I only own a PS2 as far as Sony vidjagame systems go, so take what I say in stride.

PS2: Still better than modern-day systems at times.

I mean, goddamn. When I look back at what that baby could run.... Mmmmm.

The only thing it lacked was some really good online support.

Oh, Persona series, no one can ever know of our forbidden love.

 

[Erebu]

Snip.

That Tommy example really doesn't make much sense. By that logic, there would be no fans of Nintendo handhelds at all...

I understand where you're going with this: that Sony might be afraid of ticking people off by making a new handheld at this point. Give me a moment to check something.

EDIT: It's been four years since the PSP was released. From Gameboy Color to the GBA? Three.

So yeah, I don't think that there's any need to keep the old one going. Sony can bring in a new one now, and it wouldn't piss the customers off.

Sony have opened "pandora's internet-box" with their "arrogancy" and bad PR. I simply don't think that they are in the same position as Nintendo.
Take a look at their balance sheet and the state of their gaming division.
Also from a business standpoint it would be very bad timing because PSP is their best selling platform at the moment.
I am sure they have looked into sales-trends and unless the curve of projected-sales goes down they won't release a PSP2.
I can also see them learning from Nintendo and Apple ( releasing small incremental iterations of an exististing hardware ).
It's intelligent from a business standpoint especially if you consider the current economic climate. As a gamer of course it is not exactly what I was expecting and asking for.
But being half gamer and half economist I can live with the result and understand the motives behind it.