PSP Is Go!

[Jumplion]

You are going to call "an okay game" a killer app.
How many midnight releases have those game justified?
People have and will wait out hours (some even days) ahead of time for a Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Madden or Halo console release. All killer app have to amaze and redefine a genre or even create it's own. After GTA 3 came out it created the sandbox play style the industry is recreating for just about every type of game being released even to this today, how many times have you heard "It's like GTA but with...?". GTA: Liberty Stories just copy and pasted that with bad controls. Metal Gear Acid may have created the card battle stealth game but who rushed out a knock off to rake in on it's success, how many times have you heard "It's like Metal Gear Acid but... ?"
In entertainment imitation, not copyright infringement, is the sincerest form of flattery.
If no one is trying to follow you than no one cares about what you are doing. If you have tell someone a "PSP is a healthy system" I have a Dreamcast to sell you.

What? We're not talking about consoles, we're talking about handhelds. When was the last time you saw a midnight release of anything on a handheld? It's extremely unfair to say that the DS has plenty of "killer-apps" yet say the PSP has none because it doesn't have the "killer apps" like Halo or GTA that are on consoles.

When has a "killer app" on a handheld ever "redefine" the genre? You're comparing consoles to handhelds and you just can't do that. They're two separate different things.

I've never heard "It's like Metal Gear Acid but..." though I don't see how that's relevant in any way. I've heard many great things about the GTA games on PSP and MGAcid and I've even played a little of both myself, they're fine.

I don't see how your "I have a Dreamcast for you" sentence is in any way relevant to anything. The PSP has sold over 50 million units, about half of the DSs sales. I fail to see how that's like a Dreamcast, which sold 10 million and is a console.

You're making unfair comparisons, comparing PSP "killer apps" to console "killer apps" and everything inbetween while leaving the DS alone. If you compare a handheld to a console, then you have to include everything.

So tell me this. When was the last time you've seen a midnight campout for any handheld game whatsoever? When was the last time a handheld game "revolutionized" a genre? When the hell did handhelds all of a sudden become comparable to a home console?

 

[Megacherv]

Another device for the DS to demolish, woot!

But I've always thought that the PSP is better than the DS, and I love my little red block of fun. The main reason the DS gets more sales is that it attracts a wider market of casual gamers, which was actually a good marketing strategy on Nintendo's part.

Define "better", is it the quality of games? Volume of sales? Worldwide fanbase? Or how fun it is for you?

In mostly every way the DS defeats everything and you have to admit that this seems to be the last throw of the dice for Sony's dreams of hand-held domination.

Yes quality of games and solidness of the PSP-1000. That thing was nearly as strong as an original Xbox. As I said, the PSP is meant to attract the hardcore audience more than the DS is. The only hardcore games I've seen on the DS are stuff like Chrono Trigger, FF3 (both of those I don't even like), N+ and Metal Slug 7. The rest are all for casual gamers. As I said, I do love my DS and probably will never stop using it, but I prefer the PSP for hardcore gaming.

 

[Rigs83]

If they move or switch the nub over to where the Select/Start buttons are they would have a license to mint money and the people demanding 2 nubs can stop complaining. Sony I prefer cash for fixing your mistakes.

Your idea, while intelligent, wont work. The nub is used in a lot of games for movement while the face buttons are for specific actions and what not. Iff you moved to nub over to the other side it would make many current PSP really fucking hard to play/unplayable. You try playing SOCOM, Syphon Filter, Resistance, GoW, FF7:CC, ect..that way. Yea thats what I thought YOU CANT! and so back to square one.

Nice try though.

Just remap critical actions to the shoulder buttons, like firing a gun. As for throwing a grenade you just have to quickly hit the action button the same way in Halo you had to stop aiming for that half second it took to hit the the white or black button to throw the grenades. For racers they can have gas and brake be the shoulders, the shift up and down mapped to digital up and down while e brake could be shift+brake+fling the thing against the wall if you screw up. The Action buttons handle the different perspectives or hud displays.
People have had to play the thumb fu for years before and they will play thumb fu for years after. It's up to the designers, hardware and software, to make it rewarding.

 

[-Seraph-]

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read my later post, I already explained how it WONT WORK. God I hate repeating myself. Hell I am inclined to assume you have never played a PSP for more than a few minutes let alone most of it's games to understand that your proposition cannot be done.

Now will excuse me while I go bang my head on my desk repeatedly due to peoples constant oversight of my point. *desk banging continues* I'll be back in the morning.

 

[Aura Guardian]

That looks horrible

 

[Rigs83]

You are going to call "an okay game" a killer app.
How many midnight releases have those game justified?
People have and will wait out hours (some even days) ahead of time for a Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Madden or Halo console release. All killer app have to amaze and redefine a genre or even create it's own. After GTA 3 came out it created the sandbox play style the industry is recreating for just about every type of game being released even to this today, how many times have you heard "It's like GTA but with...?". GTA: Liberty Stories just copy and pasted that with bad controls. Metal Gear Acid may have created the card battle stealth game but who rushed out a knock off to rake in on it's success, how many times have you heard "It's like Metal Gear Acid but... ?"
In entertainment imitation, not copyright infringement, is the sincerest form of flattery.
If no one is trying to follow you than no one cares about what you are doing. If you have tell someone a "PSP is a healthy system" I have a Dreamcast to sell you.

What? We're not talking about consoles, we're talking about handhelds. When was the last time you saw a midnight release of anything on a handheld? It's extremely unfair to say that the DS has plenty of "killer-apps" yet say the PSP has none because it doesn't have the "killer apps" like Halo or GTA that are on consoles.

When has a "killer app" on a handheld ever "redefine" the genre? You're comparing consoles to handhelds and you just can't do that. They're two separate different things.

I've never heard "It's like Metal Gear Acid but..." though I don't see how that's relevant in any way. I've heard many great things about the GTA games on PSP and MGAcid and I've even played a little of both myself, they're fine.

I don't see how your "I have a Dreamcast for you" sentence is in any way relevant to anything. The PSP has sold over 50 million units, about half of the DSs sales. I fail to see how that's like a Dreamcast, which sold 10 million and is a console.

You're making unfair comparisons, comparing PSP "killer apps" to console "killer apps" and everything inbetween while leaving the DS alone. If you compare a handheld to a console, then you have to include everything.

So tell me this. When was the last time you've seen a midnight campout for any handheld game whatsoever? When was the last time a handheld game "revolutionized" a genre? When the hell did handhelds all of a sudden become comparable to a home console?

So mediocrity is good enough for you. Everyone copied Tetris because it revolutionized electronic puzzle games by creating them, when it was released in Russia near riots broke out at any public machine that played it and it was installed in nearly every Soviet computer that could play it, Soviet Russia was very boring. Tetris made the Game Boy, if you owned a Game Boy you had Tetris.
As for the console comparison most people defend the PSP by saying how it's like a PS2 and a significant part of it's early catalog were console ports so I think the comparison is fair but I will grant you this, I have never camped out for a handheld release because no handheld game justified a midnight release. That is a damn shame but handhelds are rigidly casual and thus Sony's attempt at creating a hardcore handheld makes little sense. If I have to fight the controls it's a bad thing, be it a nub or a stylus.
The DS killer app is the same as the Game Boys, Pokemon and Shigeru Miyamoto's ips. Pokemon and Shigeru Miyamoto almost by themselves saved Nintendo during the 90's while Sony rose to preeminence and Sega fell to the way side. Tetris and Nintendogs was being toted by the shills on morning tv when it they were released. They hardly even show a PSP in the commercials, remember the cheese you can take outside?
Even big name retailers have given the PSP a could shoulder by removing the UMD movies from shelves and rumor has it that Sony themselves may abandon it on the next iteration of the handheld.
Sony was not wrong for entering the handheld market but their execution is poor and they are paying for it.

 

[munx13]

Oh my god you are all whining little shits!

People want a second stick so they can play their pirated PS1 games, it looks FINE and you wont know how ergonomical it will be until you hold it.

od stop your incessent BITCHING. My problem is Sony did the leak wrong, they should have done it on the Microsoft press conference to steal their thunder.

1. Not all ps1 games on PSP's are pirated you know...
2. Sony didn't want this to be leaked, that's why it's called a LEAK

 

[TheDukester]

Why is there no second analog stick?! Why can't Sony get it through their damn heads!? Just give me a DualShock Controller with a freaking screen attached to it--forget about this slide-screen nonsense.

What they've produced is nothing more than a PSP with a cellphone-esque slide cover. Hooray?

 

[-bladerunner-]

It's alright but to be honest it's very uniform in shape, why don't they design it with an unusual shape instead of boring ones.

 

[Snotnarok]

PSP is far more advanced than the DS...

Yea, the PSP is heavier, doesn't have a touch screen, has much less battery life and a much smaller game library. So, what about your definition of "advanced"?
Graphics are really NOT the most important factor about games, it is F-U-N!

Thanks for reading past the first 3 words, this time read the whole thing or don't bother responding.

PSP is more advanced in every aspect, higher resolution and faster processor, more ram, can store data and read off optical media giving more storage. The DS uses less power because it has a less powerful system to power, so it has longer batt life, also it doesn't have to power a motor for it's optical drive.Does this make the DS a bad system? Not at all, it's a great system with many perks. I never said the console made the game more fun, I've made this argument many times, it's the games that make the console fun, which the PSP has, if you don't enjoy the games on the PSP then I'm sorry to hear that.

Do I think the PSP is better than the DS? In terms of technology it is, but they're both equal to me, both amazingly fun. Truthfully I enjoy my GBA SP much more than both of them.

 

[scotth266]

Oh my god you are all whining little shits!

People want a second stick so they can play their pirated PS1 games, it looks FINE and you wont know how ergonomical it will be until you hold it.

od stop your incessent BITCHING. My problem is Sony did the leak wrong, they should have done it on the Microsoft press conference to steal their thunder.

1) I am not a whining little shit. I am a person with a opinion. Not exactly potatoe potatoh there.

2) I want a second stick because it would be AWESOME and allow for better camera controls.

3) No offense, but we all sort of saw this coming. I don't think it would have stolen Microsoft's thunder... especially seeing as we were already speculating about this before

 

[Zer_]

Oh my god you are all whining little shits!

People want a second stick so they can play their pirated PS1 games, it looks FINE and you wont know how ergonomical it will be until you hold it.

od stop your incessent BITCHING. My problem is Sony did the leak wrong, they should have done it on the Microsoft press conference to steal their thunder.

1) I am not a whining little shit. I am a person with a opinion. Not exactly potatoe potatoh there.

2) I want a second stick because it would be AWESOME and allow for better camera controls.

3) No offense, but we all sort of saw this coming. I don't think it would have stolen Microsoft's thunder... especially seeing as we were already speculating about this before

A second stick would also allow us the option to choose which stick we prefer to use in an FPS game. Remember that the PS1 games that used analog rarely used both but either the left or the right stick. I believe only a few games like Ace Combat used both sticks.

 

[RagnorakTres]

So mediocrity is good enough for you. Everyone copied Tetris because it revolutionized electronic puzzle games by creating them, when it was released in Russia near riots broke out at any public machine that played it and it was installed in nearly every Soviet computer that could play it, Soviet Russia was very boring. Tetris made the Game Boy, if you owned a Game Boy you had Tetris.

As for the console comparison most people defend the PSP by saying how it's like a PS2 and a significant part of it's early catalog were console ports so I think the comparison is fair but I will grant you this, I have never camped out for a handheld release because no handheld game justified a midnight release. That is a damn shame but handhelds are rigidly casual and thus Sony's attempt at creating a hardcore handheld makes little sense. If I have to fight the controls it's a bad thing, be it a nub or a stylus.

The DS killer app is the same as the Game Boys, Pokemon and Shigeru Miyamoto's ips. Pokemon and Shigeru Miyamoto almost by themselves saved Nintendo during the 90's while Sony rose to preeminence and Sega fell to the way side. Tetris and Nintendogs was being toted by the shills on morning tv when it they were released. They hardly even show a PSP in the commercials, remember the cheese you can take outside?

Even big name retailers have given the PSP a could shoulder by removing the UMD movies from shelves and rumor has it that Sony themselves may abandon it on the next iteration of the handheld.

Sony was not wrong for entering the handheld market but their execution is poor and they are paying for it.

Nintendo has released ten handhelds (nine if you don't count the SP Mark II, seven if you don't count the Play it Loud, Pocket and Light versions of the original, and six if you don't count either of those) since Tetris and the original Game Boy. I think it can safely be said that Nintendo has a solid death-grip on the handheld market. They know what sells.

Sony, on the other hand is testing new waters. They are trying to sell a handheld system (all of which have been Nintendo consoles based around casual games: yes I consider Pokemon a casual game, anything I play to cool off from God of War is a casual game) to hardcore gamers such as myself. (That is not to say that I find Pokemon or Zelda or Mario Kart not fun, just not the kind of game I play most of the time.) The PSP ain't got a snowball's chance in hell of dominating. It's up against a system and company that has dominated the market for two decades as of April. They are trying new things, finding out what works. Personally, I just found out that a Rock Band is coming to the PSP and, wonder of wonders, it actually works (if you want a review of the demo, <url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.116380>I recently did one. It's also my first, so be kind.^/^). It is finding it's direction in games like Patapon and Disgaea: Afternoon of Darkness. The rhythm game and the JRPG are looking to be the genres that the PSP will absolutely pwn at (don't believe me? FF7 CC, while it isn't great, looks as good as 12). It also makes strong showings in the fighting (Street Fighter Alpha MAX 3) and adventure (God of War: Chains of Olympus) categories.

So don't tell me that the PSP has mediocre games. I have yet to find a game that is just not good (with the notable exception of Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. Yeesh.) and few that I don't want to play several times.

 

[TheBarefootBandit]

So Sony are pretty much following the Nintendo Gameboy Advance/DS strategy to resell/update their handheld... Great (Nobody expected this...).

 

[ErGo]

I think it looks ... intresting ...

 

[sunami88]

Yeah right, it was a 'leak' I wonder HOW it was 'leaked' hmmmmm... you don't think it was done on purpose as a publicity stunt? Honestly? are you really that naive.

Do you know how many 'Leaks' are publicity stunts used to build intrest? quite a few.

Exactly how many? I'm curious and you seem to know.

And I don't want a second nubby to play pirated PSX games. I want a second nubby for better control. Like TheDukeSter said, "Just give me a DualShock Controller with a freaking screen attached to it"!

About the whining, ya I guess. I think we all were just expecting something better. I mean they took totally awesome concept images (which I personally were never crazy about, although in hindsight...) and managed to somehow mess them up! WTF?

 

[tk1989]

Meh, in my opinion it looks uncomfortable, impracticable and quite large (although i agree that it is probably smaller in real life).

I generally don't like it, and i think it will scare away general consumers because it looks complicated and unconventional.

 

[cainx10a]

I don't exactly like the design, but the idea of relying on PlayStation Store to buy all of your PSP games, is so fucking amazing. Disgaea is a discontinued game, so unless you were -cough- using a modded PSP in this day and age, you wouldn't be able to find a decently priced copy lying around in GameSpot or anywhere else.

I mainly rely on FutureShop in Canada for every single game I buy, and guess how many unique PSP titles they have in stock, around 10, including DBZ evolution. I couldn't even get DB:Budokai, which a friend of mine is actively playing in-between classes.

I spent $150+ for Star Ocean (2nd one), Metal Gear Acid (1st one), Socom Fireteam Bravo, Patapon 2, and that wasn't a single stop shopping, had to run over "country" to find a copy of MGA.

Digital Download is awesome.

Oh and since everyone is whining, "##@#@##@#!!!1 Bring Macross Ace Frontier, Heat the Soul 6, and Federation VS Zaft to the US Damnit!!!!!11111 second analug stuck!!!!1111"