Rage Cuts Single-Player When You Buy It Used

[BoredRolePlayer]

Next time I want to buy a used Mercedes, I'll call official Mercedes dealership to ask them if they're gonna cut my brakes if I don't give them a piece of that action.

This is fuckin' stupid. Used games market should be no different than any other market for used stuff. This kind of behavior can only increase piracy. There should be a law against this.

That's a good point, actually. I'm the type who buys games new from my favorite company (Atlus), but even then I'm not going to demonize gamers who can't afford to pay the full price (and I only do so because most of the company's games are on the cheaper side and because the folks at Atlus never pull this kind of stunt with their fans!).
_I get that the devs don't get a cut from used game sales, but if this is how things are going to be between developers and/or publishers and their consumers then:
1. Stop used games sales entirely. Make Used Games the same as piracy: a criminal act. Since the way companies make it seem, it pretty much is. The only reason it's legal is because we're paying somebody "legit" for the copy. Hence why some coin it "legal piracy".
Or, for those with an intellect: 2. STOP WHINING ABOUT IT!

You want to know how to get games sold new? Make the deals that much sweeter. For example: Pre-order swag. I love it. Lots of folks love it. Thus, we buy the game new.
Want to know how to have games not sell much at all? DRM and this kind of abuse.
Id exec: "Just stick to giving them a bonus OST (a real one, not that digital download horse crap), an artbook, or even a simple map for swag persuasion? Bah! BAH, I say! We'll strip content from the game and make it Swiss cheese! Surely they will worship us then."

I get the feeling Mass Effect 3 is going to have something like this happen. Watch. With EA and the newer, shytsier Bioware behind the wheel, ME3 will be ruined for used game buyers.
If I'm wrong then I'll smack my Collector's Edition copy of Dark Souls against my face.
...By the way, that Collector's Edition? I 'll be getting that from simply pre-ordering the normal game. Yeah. Walkthrough, Making-Of, and some other intersting thing all for just pre-ordering.
I want to see what people who support this kind of thing say to companies who act like that. No excuse for this.

So you understand how good Atlus treats it's fans *looks up and sees my special edition SMTevil Summoner 2 box*. I can't think of another company (Besides NIS(A)), who gives you extra goodies for buying new/first shipment. I mean for 40 bucks I got that box for Devil Summoner 2, for 35 bucks I got Strange Journey with a soundtrack (which was busted but Atlus fixed) and a mini poster, with Izuna 2 you get a cool mini poster extra, the persona 1 remake had a TWO DISC SOUNDTRACK for free for buying it new. Almost every Atlus game I own on the DS has a mini-CD soundtrack that was given with it for free, and when Atlus ported Knights in the Nightmare to the psp they gave away Yggdra Union for FREE (both are great games).

Why is it Atlus/NIS(A) who are smaller companies and can't print 1000000000000 copies of a game can gladly do this kinda of thing but no one else? EA and everyone else seems to want to with hold stuff and when they give it to you puts on a stupid smile and say it's a extra for buying it new when it was a advertised feature that is under the cloak of "extra".

 

[Reaper69lol]

And they wonder why piracy rates are going up....

 

[The Virgo]

This was my reaction:

That's is motherfucking bullshit. You can fucking lock-out content just because I bought it used! I mean, I can understand trying to prevent piracy, but this is over the line. Our rights as gamers are being trampled by these assholes!

Hey Id, you can take that game and shove it up your ass!

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

Well Rage just dropped down on my list of what I'm going to buy now. I mean they're doing a pretty poor job of supporting this ("If you don't buy it new you'll miss this entire section! ...But don't worry, it isn't important anyway."), but I still don't like this idea. Used games probably don't have that big of an affect on profits a game makes because there's still only one copy of the game going around. Of course if I do buy it, I'll probably buy used, simply to show that I don't like this idea.

 

[Omega Pirate]

I will buy this game used just so I don't have to go though the obligatory sewer level.

 

[Irridium]

Next time I want to buy a used Mercedes, I'll call official Mercedes dealership to ask them if they're gonna cut my brakes if I don't give them a piece of that action.

This is fuckin' stupid. Used games market should be no different than any other market for used stuff. This kind of behavior can only increase piracy. There should be a law against this.

That's a good point, actually. I'm the type who buys games new from my favorite company (Atlus), but even then I'm not going to demonize gamers who can't afford to pay the full price (and I only do so because most of the company's games are on the cheaper side and because the folks at Atlus never pull this kind of stunt with their fans!).
_I get that the devs don't get a cut from used game sales, but if this is how things are going to be between developers and/or publishers and their consumers then:
1. Stop used games sales entirely. Make Used Games the same as piracy: a criminal act. Since the way companies make it seem, it pretty much is. The only reason it's legal is because we're paying somebody "legit" for the copy. Hence why some coin it "legal piracy".
Or, for those with an intellect: 2. STOP WHINING ABOUT IT!

You want to know how to get games sold new? Make the deals that much sweeter. For example: Pre-order swag. I love it. Lots of folks love it. Thus, we buy the game new.
Want to know how to have games not sell much at all? DRM and this kind of abuse.
Id exec: "Just stick to giving them a bonus OST (a real one, not that digital download horse crap), an artbook, or even a simple map for swag persuasion? Bah! BAH, I say! We'll strip content from the game and make it Swiss cheese! Surely they will worship us then."

I get the feeling Mass Effect 3 is going to have something like this happen. Watch. With EA and the newer, shytsier Bioware behind the wheel, ME3 will be ruined for used game buyers.
If I'm wrong then I'll smack my Collector's Edition copy of Dark Souls against my face.
...By the way, that Collector's Edition? I 'll be getting that from simply pre-ordering the normal game. Yeah. Walkthrough, Making-Of, and some other intersting thing all for just pre-ordering.
I want to see what people who support this kind of thing say to companies who act like that. No excuse for this.

So you understand how good Atlus treats it's fans *looks up and sees my special edition SMTevil Summoner 2 box*. I can't think of another company (Besides NIS(A)), who gives you extra goodies for buying new/first shipment. I mean for 40 bucks I got that box for Devil Summoner 2, for 35 bucks I got Strange Journey with a soundtrack (which was busted but Atlus fixed) and a mini poster, with Izuna 2 you get a cool mini poster extra, the persona 1 remake had a TWO DISC SOUNDTRACK for free for buying it new. Almost every Atlus game I own on the DS has a mini-CD soundtrack that was given with it for free, and when Atlus ported Knights in the Nightmare to the psp they gave away Yggdra Union for FREE (both are great games).

Why is it Atlus/NIS(A) who are smaller companies and can't print 1000000000000 copies of a game can gladly do this kinda of thing but no one else? EA and everyone else seems to want to with hold stuff and when they give it to you puts on a stupid smile and say it's a extra for buying it new when it was a advertised feature that is under the cloak of "extra".

There's also CD Projekt Red with their Witcher games.

The "Normal" edition includes a game guide, map, papercrafts, soundtrack, making-of, and a couple of other goodies. Yeah the game included DRM, but after a week they removed it when they learned it brought down performance. Of course if you bought it from GoG, it had no DRM to begin with. Oh, and if your in a country and have to pay a stupid amount more than other places, if you buy from GoG they give you a couple of free games to help make up the difference.

Straight from their Witcher 2 page [http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/the_witcher_2/]:

Since customers from Australia, New Zealand and the ones paying in Euros pay more than the rest of the world, we give back the price difference (roughly $26 and $16, respectively) in free GOG bonus codes, as a form of store credit. Please read this FAQ for details.

Every other company just goes "tough shit buddy".

I love CD Projekt Red. So much.

 

[Brian Hendershot]

Seriously? Just...seriously. You are making it really hard for anyone to support DRM or anything like that. This is just....stupid. Cutting out a portion of the single player? What if someone doesn't have access to internet? That's unlikely I know but still...

This is one hundred percent bullshit. It only punishes legit players and gives your game a bad rep. Pirates will always pirate your game. Used game sells will always happen. Get. Fucking. Used to it.

 

[Dogstile]

Eh, I was going to get this as well >.>

Well damn, sticking to your guns is annoying. Suppose I won't pick this up after all.

 

[Keepeas]

This definitely isn't the right way to go about DRM.
I'm going to argue that the best DRM is NO DRM.
DRM doesn't stop pirates it actually causes more piracy.
DRM hurts legitimate customers and doesn't hurt pirates at all.
DRM DOES NOT do what it is meant to do.

Personally, I think Steam is a pretty good deal. Yeah, you have to register with Valve, but it's actually worth the trouble. I've had quite a few games where over the years I either lost the disk or it was scratched beyond recovery, but since they were Steam games, I could just download them, hassle-free. Also, the automatic patching is pretty spiffy, and it remains possible to play offline.
EDIT: Basically, it's the right approach because there's something in it for the end user, other than the "privelege" of being allowed to play a game they ALREADY PAID FOR.

I completely agree with you there.
Steam actually has a very good system.

It's non-intrusive
No download limits
You can still play your game offline
It basically doesn't try to screw the costumer.

And you even get some added benefits, the most noteworthy being a strong community feeling. (and I love that in game shift+tab thing)

The main goal of steam doesn't feel like DRM. (Even if it is...is it?)
And that is how it should be...

 

[Lord Beautiful]

Interesting design choice, id. Feel free to suck the darkest part of my lily white ass. Any chance of me buying your game has gone straight out the window.

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

Next time I want to buy a used Mercedes, I'll call official Mercedes dealership to ask them if they're gonna cut my brakes if I don't give them a piece of that action.

This is fuckin' stupid. Used games market should be no different than any other market for used stuff. This kind of behavior can only increase piracy. There should be a law against this.

That's a good point, actually. I'm the type who buys games new from my favorite company (Atlus), but even then I'm not going to demonize gamers who can't afford to pay the full price (and I only do so because most of the company's games are on the cheaper side and because the folks at Atlus never pull this kind of stunt with their fans!).
_I get that the devs don't get a cut from used game sales, but if this is how things are going to be between developers and/or publishers and their consumers then:
1. Stop used games sales entirely. Make Used Games the same as piracy: a criminal act. Since the way companies make it seem, it pretty much is. The only reason it's legal is because we're paying somebody "legit" for the copy. Hence why some coin it "legal piracy".
Or, for those with an intellect: 2. STOP WHINING ABOUT IT!

You want to know how to get games sold new? Make the deals that much sweeter. For example: Pre-order swag. I love it. Lots of folks love it. Thus, we buy the game new.
Want to know how to have games not sell much at all? DRM and this kind of abuse.
Id exec: "Just stick to giving them a bonus OST (a real one, not that digital download horse crap), an artbook, or even a simple map for swag persuasion? Bah! BAH, I say! We'll strip content from the game and make it Swiss cheese! Surely they will worship us then."

I get the feeling Mass Effect 3 is going to have something like this happen. Watch. With EA and the newer, shytsier Bioware behind the wheel, ME3 will be ruined for used game buyers.
If I'm wrong then I'll smack my Collector's Edition copy of Dark Souls against my face.
...By the way, that Collector's Edition? I 'll be getting that from simply pre-ordering the normal game. Yeah. Walkthrough, Making-Of, and some other intersting thing all for just pre-ordering.
I want to see what people who support this kind of thing say to companies who act like that. No excuse for this.

So you understand how good Atlus treats it's fans *looks up and sees my special edition SMTevil Summoner 2 box*. I can't think of another company (Besides NIS(A)), who gives you extra goodies for buying new/first shipment. I mean for 40 bucks I got that box for Devil Summoner 2, for 35 bucks I got Strange Journey with a soundtrack (which was busted but Atlus fixed) and a mini poster, with Izuna 2 you get a cool mini poster extra, the persona 1 remake had a TWO DISC SOUNDTRACK for free for buying it new. Almost every Atlus game I own on the DS has a mini-CD soundtrack that was given with it for free, and when Atlus ported Knights in the Nightmare to the psp they gave away Yggdra Union for FREE (both are great games).

Why is it Atlus/NIS(A) who are smaller companies and can't print 1000000000000 copies of a game can gladly do this kinda of thing but no one else? EA and everyone else seems to want to with hold stuff and when they give it to you puts on a stupid smile and say it's a extra for buying it new when it was a advertised feature that is under the cloak of "extra".

There's also CD Projekt Red with their Witcher games.

The "Normal" edition includes a game guide, map, papercrafts, soundtrack, making-of, and a couple of other goodies. Yeah the game included DRM, but after a week they removed it when they learned it brought down performance. Of course if you bought it from GoG, it had no DRM to begin with. Oh, and if your in a country and have to pay a stupid amount more than other places, if you buy from GoG they give you a couple of free games to help make up the difference.

Straight from their Witcher 2 page [http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/the_witcher_2/]:

Since customers from Australia, New Zealand and the ones paying in Euros pay more than the rest of the world, we give back the price difference (roughly $26 and $16, respectively) in free GOG bonus codes, as a form of store credit. Please read this FAQ for details.

Every other company just goes "tough shit buddy".

I love CD Projekt Red. So much.

See stuff like this is a real reason to buy a game new, not "buy our game new so we don't shaft you out of content". I don't know why people defend this idea so much.

 

[StriderShinryu]

I really would love to know where all of the used game buyers who claim to be after a deal buy their used games. No, really. I would absolutely love to know so I could save money too.

Any place I know of locally that offers a used copy of anything relatively new charges at most $10 less than the new price for it. That's just not much of a bargain when you're looking at a $60 item, and it's certainly not worth not supporting the developer.

 

[sgt. soap mctavish]

ID is now activison.

 

[Theysaid]

There's no reason for me to buy it new because I only want to play (what I assume is) a small portion of the game -- single player. So that means no used copy for me... or I'll buy it for $5 next year during the Steam summer sale for my PC.

I'm assuming that renting it from Redbox will also lock out the single player game, which is terrible... the whole reason I rent FPS games from Redbox is to play through the single player game, which can usually be done in a day or two.

 

[ShindoL Shill]

well that's... different.
cant say im too pleased with them. then again, if you save £20 and have to pay another £10, then fine. if its more than that, not really worth it.

 

[camazotz]

Ah, Bethesda and Id, you guys really are hoping that in this economy, with SO MANY other games coming out this year, that people will overlook crap like this?

I want to play Rage, and I'm playing it PC, but I've just downgraded it to a "Buy for $20 on Steam in 6-8 months." Which is still better than my continuing policy of Never Ever buying Assassin's Creed II, period.

 

[Xaio30]

[There was rage here, but it went out with all the fuck I was giving.]

 

[robert01]

I don't condone used games sales, not because you don't support the developer, but because the companies make insane amounts of money for essentially no work at all. At least with most used markets for like every other product on the face of the earth(excluding video, and music) there is a little work that has to be done. Cars have to be fixed up and cleaned, houses have to be renovated, etc. But these companies make a SHIT ton of money selling new titles for $5 less than retail sometimes.

But for a company to cut out content from their product is them basically saying, "FUCK EVERYONE ELSE, WE ARE TOO GOOD TO HAVE A USED MARKET. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COMPETE WITH ANYONE WE WANT ALL THE MONEY." Forget that shit, competition is a good thing. A lot of people purchase used games because they have maybe seen the game at a friends house, or were hesitant on the what they saw in the trailers and don't want to invest full money in a game they feel may not be worth it. I can't say I blame them, I am a PC gamer so I don't have that option, but they do, and the should be allowed to do this without being treated like a criminal. If the law thought used games sales were illegal it would have been dealt with by now. I think if this gets too far out of hand the law will get involved and start to govern this a little.

Why should the entertainment market be any different in regards to used markets? Because games cost lots of money to develop? So do cars, and houses and everything else you can buy used. Game development companies are just full of a bunch of money hungry assholes. People regardless of what platform they game on, everything from their iPad to PCs, need to stand up and start using their voice as a collective, stating they don't tolerate this shit, start voting with your wallets, let one of these games that took millions of dollars to produce flop and the companies will know that we aren't fucking around.

But I am dreaming that will never happen.

EDIT: Also they don't state where these sewers go to, it could be to some prime shit, top notch weapons. Stuff that would make the game easier, just now got locked out. Fuck you id. I used to like you, but know with all your current statements regarding always on DRM, and now this, I wouldn't even buy your shit on sale from Steam.