While this is better than other methods, why not, ya know, PUNISH GAMESTOP. THEY are the ones who are taking every cent of used game sales, not the consumer!
Rage Cuts Single-Player When You Buy It Used
- Thread starter Mike Kayatta
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I still don't understand why they just don't lock out patches for used copies. That way everyone who buys the disk gets what's on the disk. The patches are for people who bought new and supported the dev, so they get support back. People who buy used don't get support, since they didn't support the dev.Scizophrenic Llama said:
Oh well...
I guess I'll just have to wait for the inevitable Steam sale to purchase your game id. Probably when it hits $25. I'm not going to support this kind of practice with a full priced purchase.
I guess I'll just have to wait for the inevitable Steam sale to purchase your game id. Probably when it hits $25. I'm not going to support this kind of practice with a full priced purchase.
Piracy and cracking/hacking your own game aren't the same thing, but you can be sure it wont take more then a couple of hours for someone to fix their asinine bullshit.wulfy42 said:
If they have a problem with the way retailers handle second hand games then they should educate people howmuch their shit is worth and not just take a chainsaw to their fanbase.
they should at least release a demo and I think I,m the only one who agrees with this plan.
PS
unless this requires a 24/7 internet connection (which is utter BS) I get one-time activations but 24/7 is annoying resulting in a HUGE piracy backlash.
since I,m primarily a PC gamer I might get the PC version that is probably going to use Steam making this not a big deal for me.
PPS
if you want consumers to buy your game new add a OST and kick ass poster with every new copy reward the consumer don,t punish them!
PS
unless this requires a 24/7 internet connection (which is utter BS) I get one-time activations but 24/7 is annoying resulting in a HUGE piracy backlash.
since I,m primarily a PC gamer I might get the PC version that is probably going to use Steam making this not a big deal for me.
PPS
if you want consumers to buy your game new add a OST and kick ass poster with every new copy reward the consumer don,t punish them!
Hah, that's funny, I read something simelar. Went along the lines of "Istvan cuts Rage from his 'to buy' list.'Mike Kayatta said:
Why punishing customers? Why not deal with the retailers who are the real cause of this? Find a compromise, everyone happy = more sales.Scizophrenic Llama said:
Finally, how about just making good fun original games without being so insecure you have to blame piracy or used sales for all the fails? Oh wait, their budget is so bloated they can't afford that! Oh the irony!
There goes any chance I'll ever buy it.
Hey, you're pretty new here. Just saying hello.Mike Kayatta said:
Oh yes, that's totally what I'm thinking when I go to buy used, not "I just want to save a little bit of money and maybe buy 2 or 3 games instead of just 1" but "Screw the developers MUAHAHAHAHAHA!". I don't like gamestops' used profits policy, but I don't think I'm evil for wanting to save a little money. They aren't entitled to my money, it's my decision if I want to save. I didn't tell gamestop to keep all the money, I do think they should change it. But I don't have alot of money usually, so getting a game for 10 dollars is a pretty good deal. It means I can get more than about 2 a year.Scizophrenic Llama said:
Wow, screw you too I.D.
At this point, it's becoming harder and harder for me to purchase current gen games because of crap like this. Why can't I just buy it and play? What if it's years and years down the line when Rage is no longer selling? What if I just can't afford the $60 for your game? You already got your money from a person buying it, so why throw a fit and do dumb crap like this?
At this point, it's becoming harder and harder for me to purchase current gen games because of crap like this. Why can't I just buy it and play? What if it's years and years down the line when Rage is no longer selling? What if I just can't afford the $60 for your game? You already got your money from a person buying it, so why throw a fit and do dumb crap like this?
I'm only 17, and even I recall fondly the times that when you buy a game, you get that game, unimportant parts and all.
What is this?
What is this?
...So it's like a middle school teacher rapping you on the knuckles for coming to school late?
I'm no advocate of used games sales. In fact I STILL don't get how people can genuinely separate it from bona fide Piracy; In either case, the publisher and Dev don't get a single cent from your purchase. What changes? The fact that your being conned by Gamestop? Well that makes YOU an idiot for getting fucking CONNED. Why is id being portrayed as the villain here?
I think as far as piracy fighting tools go, this isn't that bad of an idea.
Here's another idea id. Instead of making whole levels exclusives.......why not a gun? Remove one weapon (probably the shotgun as it's the most iconic) from the game entirely. You just can't equip it, if you're playing a used/pirated version of the game? You can still obviously do every single quest, but you just won't have as much fun.
Make pirates WANT to buy your game. Don't make normal people WANT to avoid it.
I'm no advocate of used games sales. In fact I STILL don't get how people can genuinely separate it from bona fide Piracy; In either case, the publisher and Dev don't get a single cent from your purchase. What changes? The fact that your being conned by Gamestop? Well that makes YOU an idiot for getting fucking CONNED. Why is id being portrayed as the villain here?
I think as far as piracy fighting tools go, this isn't that bad of an idea.
Here's another idea id. Instead of making whole levels exclusives.......why not a gun? Remove one weapon (probably the shotgun as it's the most iconic) from the game entirely. You just can't equip it, if you're playing a used/pirated version of the game? You can still obviously do every single quest, but you just won't have as much fun.
Make pirates WANT to buy your game. Don't make normal people WANT to avoid it.
A question for everyone, and I would appreciate a good answer, something sourced:
How does the publisher/developer pay relationship work?
I ask this for a few reasons. From my own experiences, it would be a pre-contracted amount. So, in that line of thought, after a game is released, the developer may do updates, patches, and game balancing for some more money, but the bulk of what a developer makes is payed out already. Meaning that buying the game first hand does not really matter all the much to the developer. This also essentially means the studio can contract it's future work out for greater money if it makes games that sell well or less money if the games they make do not do well.
The other side is that the Developer does not get paid if the game does not sell well, because they haven't received enough money to be successful. So, the studios get disbanded and punished in any manner of ways. Studios such as ones that made Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines have gone under presumably for this reason.
I have to admit to everyone (some of you already know) that I am reasonably sure it's the first method. That is why there is time limits placed on game studios to put out a reasonable/finished product. And if you return to my game example, they were shut down by the publisher because they made a product that yielded a negative investment, which is just good business.
Plenty of other forumites say it's the other way, but I am completely unable to find any information on this. And I don't accept "common knowledge" as an answer, simply because a great portion of the time, "common knowledge" is in error.
How does the publisher/developer pay relationship work?
I ask this for a few reasons. From my own experiences, it would be a pre-contracted amount. So, in that line of thought, after a game is released, the developer may do updates, patches, and game balancing for some more money, but the bulk of what a developer makes is payed out already. Meaning that buying the game first hand does not really matter all the much to the developer. This also essentially means the studio can contract it's future work out for greater money if it makes games that sell well or less money if the games they make do not do well.
The other side is that the Developer does not get paid if the game does not sell well, because they haven't received enough money to be successful. So, the studios get disbanded and punished in any manner of ways. Studios such as ones that made Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines have gone under presumably for this reason.
I have to admit to everyone (some of you already know) that I am reasonably sure it's the first method. That is why there is time limits placed on game studios to put out a reasonable/finished product. And if you return to my game example, they were shut down by the publisher because they made a product that yielded a negative investment, which is just good business.
Plenty of other forumites say it's the other way, but I am completely unable to find any information on this. And I don't accept "common knowledge" as an answer, simply because a great portion of the time, "common knowledge" is in error.
Well, guess what id, you just lost a new sale due to this nonsense policy. No way am I supporting a company that pulls this off. Even though it seems to be a minor change in the game, it's the principle of the matter. I will not support any gaming company that directly alters its game's content in order to try to force people to buy new copies. I can understand an incentive to buy new, such as Dragon Age's extra character, but completely cutting out whole parts of the game and missions is too much. Used game sales hurt developers about as much as used car sales hurt auto makers, and in the age of microtransactions they still generate profit off of used games by selling DLC.
It's once again a case of nonsense economics, publishers see used game sales and assume that those sales would have been new copies without a used games market. They completely ignore the fact that those sales are a result of lower cost, and don't understand that those sales would not equal the same amount as new copies. They also ignore how older used games can generate sales for new titles they release. And publishers wonder why piracy is a problem when they pull crap like this (who will, by the way, be getting a wonderful full copy of the game).
It's once again a case of nonsense economics, publishers see used game sales and assume that those sales would have been new copies without a used games market. They completely ignore the fact that those sales are a result of lower cost, and don't understand that those sales would not equal the same amount as new copies. They also ignore how older used games can generate sales for new titles they release. And publishers wonder why piracy is a problem when they pull crap like this (who will, by the way, be getting a wonderful full copy of the game).
