Rage Cuts Single-Player When You Buy It Used
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This is exactly what killed the auto market, the book market, dvds, vhs, clothing...cainx10a said:
We stand on the precipice where there is only one market left.
(or am I wrong and all those things still exist and have only ever been hurt by bad business decisions...)
Am I the only one who doesn't think this is really that terrible?
It seems to me as only a very minor/small part of the game, an optional section, will be removed.
If it only means losing a few side missions from a sizeable amount of the remaining content I think I could cope.
It seems to me as only a very minor/small part of the game, an optional section, will be removed.
If it only means losing a few side missions from a sizeable amount of the remaining content I think I could cope.
I was going to freaking buy this game and I was going to buy it new because I like Carmack but they can go screw themselves and im going to buy ALL bethesda or and I.D Software games used or not at all and I strongly encourage everyone else to do the same.
Christ. You want to know how to completely demolish pre-owned sales? Make a game that's worth what it costs.
That is all it takes. People don't trade in your games because they're dicks who hate you and want to help others avoid giving you money. They trade in their games because they don't think they were worth $60 for the amount of content and replay value. People don't buy pre-owned games because they hate you and want to not support you at all costs. They buy pre-owned games because they don't feel that new games are worth $60 and because stores are all loaded with pre-owned games from everyone in the first category trading them in.
That's all there is to it. Either make more content or make your game cheaper. But don't make a generic linear 5 hour game, charge $60 for it and not expect everyone to immediately trade it in as soon as they can to recoup as much of that extortionate cost as possible.
That is all it takes. People don't trade in your games because they're dicks who hate you and want to help others avoid giving you money. They trade in their games because they don't think they were worth $60 for the amount of content and replay value. People don't buy pre-owned games because they hate you and want to not support you at all costs. They buy pre-owned games because they don't feel that new games are worth $60 and because stores are all loaded with pre-owned games from everyone in the first category trading them in.
That's all there is to it. Either make more content or make your game cheaper. But don't make a generic linear 5 hour game, charge $60 for it and not expect everyone to immediately trade it in as soon as they can to recoup as much of that extortionate cost as possible.
I'll buy it from steam a couple months from now when its half the price. Seriously, anything I sell that I own a physical copy of is mine and mine alone. These fuckers have no right to take anything out of the game. Of course its a moral argument at this point, so I'll do what I do best. Vote with my wallet.
"Support the developers" my ass. They've already been supported. Maybe if the game wasn't shitty there wouldn't thousands of copies used sitting on the shelves. If you want to control the market, then control who you allow to sell the game. Don't sell physical copies. Problem solved. Then you need to cut the game price and assume you know the market.
Anything given to me that I purchased is mine. So sick of this "you bought the disc, not the code, you bought the right to view it, but not edit it" bullshit. I'll do what I want with it thank you, and that includes setting it on fire.
"Support the developers" my ass. They've already been supported. Maybe if the game wasn't shitty there wouldn't thousands of copies used sitting on the shelves. If you want to control the market, then control who you allow to sell the game. Don't sell physical copies. Problem solved. Then you need to cut the game price and assume you know the market.
Anything given to me that I purchased is mine. So sick of this "you bought the disc, not the code, you bought the right to view it, but not edit it" bullshit. I'll do what I want with it thank you, and that includes setting it on fire.
At least the other companies had the excuse when they cut multiplayer that people who buy used cost them money for server/bandwidth use...
So, looking to not sell your children and take a third mortgage out on your house to afford games is a bad thing? Yes I'm being overly hyperbolic in my example and nobody should do either of those, but just because I don't want to break the bank to buy a game doesn't mean I don't support the developers.Irridium said:
Now, I plan on getting a rental copy through GameFly, since I can honestly say that another apocolyptic shooter doesn't scream at me "BUY ME NOW!!!!" This doesn't mean I don't want to give it a try. So I get the middle finger from them (dev and publisher alike) for not buying their game due to intrest not being high enough to buy, but I'd still like to play it. Now, this game may be great (Id has a good history) or it may suck chrinos-mykole balls (points for reference). I don't know. Of course if I'm dieing to trek trhough another sewer shooting ghoul-like monsters in bad lighting I bet they'll have a nice hole to through $10 into to unlock the greatest sewer level ever.
Also, thank you to the developer or the publisher, most likely the later, for pushing for this "feature."
I am so amazed by the brilliant propaganda campaign the game industry have run. No where else do people equate buying a used product to being the same as stealing it. If that was the case a lot of my possessions have been stolen, my car, motorbike, TV, a load of my blu-rays, DVD's, music, video card,...... yes I could go on for quite a while.cainx10a said:
Love how the games industry have managed to brainwash people that they are different to all other products. So different that people are fine when they remove stuff that they would throw a fit about if done with any other product.
Hey, you're pretty new here. Just saying hello.[/quote]Mike Kayatta said:
Hello! I've been around for a few years actually, but just started recently as a contributor.
So, if I buy a used Ford, they can come along and take my brake pads? And if I buy a used book (or go to the library), the author is allowed to come along and rip out the middle chapters? All because I don't have enough money to buy it right off the bat?cainx10a said:
How are games any different?
Why do people keep doing shit like this. If they want to cut down on it, then they should make the game MORE appealing to by first-hand instead of only letting them use a half-game.
Using the analogy from the first poster, would people be happy if every new car was installed with a small amount of explosive that destroyed the wheels when sold on? What would be the fucking point?
Doing this shit brings in NO new customers for the game, so it makes no damn sense.
Using the analogy from the first poster, would people be happy if every new car was installed with a small amount of explosive that destroyed the wheels when sold on? What would be the fucking point?
Doing this shit brings in NO new customers for the game, so it makes no damn sense.
I have an idea guys! Instead of trying to get Gamestop and other large used games providers to give us a part of the cut when they sell out video games used, let's punish the less fortunate gamers so they can't play if they buy used!
Cool idea, guys, cool idea...
Anyway, never planned on buying this and now I have less incentive. Punishing the customer directly is never the way to go.
Cool idea, guys, cool idea...
Anyway, never planned on buying this and now I have less incentive. Punishing the customer directly is never the way to go.
Oh yes, I know that what publishers/developers are doing now is just horrid and wrong. I'm just surprised they haven't tried to hold patches hostage, since that seems the most "logical" thing in this whole stupid situation.Roganzar said:
The best thing they could do is to simply reduce prices of new games. It would undercut used games, allow more people to buy the games, and be best for everyone. Hell, plenty of people in the industry agree that $60 is a stupid amount to ask for every game(to say nothing of prices outside the US). Hell, even EA knows that it's an issue [http://www.destructoid.com/electronic-arts-thinks-videogames-cost-too-much-i-know-how-weird-that-sounds-51989.phtml], and they've known since fucking 2007. But of course not a god damn one of them is doing anything to fix the problems. EA, one of the first to notice the problem, now has it's own storefront to charge whatever they damn-well please. Do they do the right thing and fix the problem by selling games at cheaper prices? Hell no, they're selling their new games at $60 a pop, and on the PC where the average is(or, was I guess) $50. Way to help fix the problem EA, you fucking pricks.
I could go on, but honestly, Jim Sterling says it better then I ever could.
http://www.gamefront.com/solving-the-sixty-dollar-situation/
well now I know I definitely won't be getting the game new, and possibly not getting the game at all. Too bad, it actually looked like a half decent game
hahahaha
looks like that's one more game i can cross off my list for not buying above 20-25 dollars ever.
granted..its the sewer level, which is equivalent to the water temple, so they can fuck off if i will play it probably, but still fuck that drm bullshit.
looks like that's one more game i can cross off my list for not buying above 20-25 dollars ever.
granted..its the sewer level, which is equivalent to the water temple, so they can fuck off if i will play it probably, but still fuck that drm bullshit.
