Rage Cuts Single-Player When You Buy It Used
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He had a lot of ideas, though they mostly boiled down to this: use the carrot, not the stickTorrasque said:
He pointed out how simply modders can made items like weapons and armor for a game like Fallout 3 or New Vegas. His idea? Create a "item of the month club" that you join if you buy the game new and enter a code. It entitles you to one year of a free, zany and fun item every month. The point he stressed is that these would have to feel fun and rewarding to use, without breaking gameplay.
Or another idea he had was allow people who buy new to get, in addition, an extended demo of another game by the publisher (ie, a demo longer then the one open to the general public). Not only does that make you feel special, but it opens up the posibility of them buying that game as well.
It's the same line of logic, dear reader. He's meerly showing how it fails when applied to anything else. Either it's always theft when you buy second hand, or it's never theft. I opt for the latter.cainx10a said:
And developing? Are you aware of how much money gaming makes?
Remember all those things that were said to be "Just like theft" and "Killing the industry"? Radio, VCRs, ect? Last I checked, we still had music, TV shows, Movies, ect.
Is the Escapist really in that dire need of money that they resort to means like this? Misquoting, taking stuff out of context and using blatantly false headlines?
In the interview they used as source (Link [http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-11-tim-willits-building-rage-and-never-selling-out-interview?page=2]), they were talking about DLC and not about cutting parts for used sales. New buyers will get the Sewers for free, while used buyers have to pay for them. Both have to download them.
Am I the only one who sees this as the sensational journalism it is? I am deeply disappointed with you, Escapist.
In the interview they used as source (Link [http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-11-tim-willits-building-rage-and-never-selling-out-interview?page=2]), they were talking about DLC and not about cutting parts for used sales. New buyers will get the Sewers for free, while used buyers have to pay for them. Both have to download them.
Am I the only one who sees this as the sensational journalism it is? I am deeply disappointed with you, Escapist.
Then how about used books, used CD's, used magazines and used DVD's?cainx10a said:
Is that stealing too in your eyes?
Used sales are common in virtually every industry, why should games be any different?
Why should the game industry be treated different?
So because CoD can bring in bajillions all the other developers with products aimed at niche markets are making the 'big bucks' too? Think Bayonetta and Vanquish from Platinum Games(sp), these were already amazing products that didn't sell well, now they are available in the used sales market. Great games, great production values with an apparently better sale reception here(US/CA/western markets) than in Japan because how much we outnumber them it seems, but yeah, used game sales is still going to hurt Platinum Games in the long run, although I really doubt it's as bad as I make it sounds, since if it was the case, I would expect the developers/publishers to be more desperate with their measures to limit used game sales.CM156 said:
None of that matters to me.CM156 said:
Allow me to make this clear: I'm expressly thinking from the point of view of the developers and publishers. I know that's a naive way to go about it. I know that's at odds with the point of view of the average gamer......but why should it be?
Publishers help developers to craft these amazing works of interactive artwork...... and Gamers are willing to just exploit a loophole in the legal system to play these games without giving THEM a single cent? (Of course then they log into forums to laud it. How duplicitous is that?) That's what matters to them. The fact that people are playing their games (which took millions of dollars and 2-4 whole years to make) without giving THEM any money at all, for creating the game. To THEM......how is it different from Piracy?
Sure the government says it's fine......but what stake does the government have in this? They are not being affected by this in any way, shape or form; The game makers ARE. Why should they fight Used game sales any less than they do Piracy? Why should they not fight it with any means available to them?
A dick move is having stupid DRM which requires a constant online connection or limited activation shenanigans. id is barely doing anything damaging with this move, and you are on the damn PC, we will most likely get it cheaper by $10, and we don't even have a damn used market, not to mention with how Steam handle pre-orders we still can pre-purchase it with a discount.Sacman said:
Exactly. And in the end, the legit buyers ALWAYS suffer. DRM here, bonus pass there (I have yet to redeem my UFC 2010 online pass ... since I am too lazy to type in those letters via my controller ... anyone want it? > . >).GrizzlerBorno said:
It's hardly a loophole. It protects people who got a game they did not enjoy. Else, as I said, they would be stuck with it if it were not for second hand sales. It's basic consumer rights. No company can, in any medium state "Yeah, you bought our product. However, you have to keep it forever. And if you give it away or sell it, you have to pay us money".GrizzlerBorno said:
Also, as I said before, they got paid for the game when it was sold the first time. Hence the FIRST SALE part of the FSD.
As much as I may disagree with the man (And find him detestible), Angry Joe has a point. What they are doing is treating everyone like criminals, guilty untill proven innocent.
As I posted above, there are other was for them to do this. Give rewards to people who buy new.
And if I may quote part of Romans 12
In other words, don't fight a business practace you don't like with something that annoys the players. Rather, give extra stuff to those who buy new. I've given examples in my above posts.
Oh, I'm well aware of that, dear reader. It's just that he could have worded it better.Piflik said:
But we're arguing more used sales as a general principle here.
Why would someone pay for an incomplete used game when they could just pirate it for free and get the whole game? (minus any possible multiplayer, but I doubt the multiplayer'll be good anyway)
The Escapist doesn't have the best track record for 100% accurate titles.Piflik said:
I re-read what tim Willits said. I still feel it could have been worded better.
As I've said before, you can argue multiplayer is a servace, and cut that out of used sales. I don't like it, but I'll let it slide. Single player? Not so much.
I wish people wouldn't buy games that used things like this. Too bad so many gamers exist these days therefor meaning that there will be more and more idiots that won't think twice when purchasing games that rip people off like this. No other product on this planet has such rediculous precautions in place when it comes to the used game market and even the new game market as well (always online etc)
It goes to show how the game developers that once treated their games with respect see them as nothing more than a tool to swindle more and more money out of unsuspecting victims. I only wish there was a way of getting my point across to the masses but, I know that these messages will probably just fall on deaf ears.
It goes to show how the game developers that once treated their games with respect see them as nothing more than a tool to swindle more and more money out of unsuspecting victims. I only wish there was a way of getting my point across to the masses but, I know that these messages will probably just fall on deaf ears.