Rage Cuts Single-Player When You Buy It Used

[stewox]

Just read this thread and then disucss what do you think: http://tinyurl.com/rage-megathread

Everyone agreed on RAGE beth official forums that was a stupid eurogamer interview that coudln't have been made on worst possible time.

 

[Inkidu]

Just read this thread and then disucss what do you think: http://tinyurl.com/rage-megathread

Everyone agreed on RAGE beth official forums that was a stupid eurogamer interview that coudln't have been made on worst possible time.

So hopefully id will fire Ted Witless and spare the community his asinine nearly-delusional talk on what he thinks the industry will say and do.

Notice, all id's bad press comes from this guy.

 

[RanceJustice]

The best and ONLY way for "Publishers to protect their content" is to make fantastic games that people want to buy, at a reasonable price, unencumbered by DRM or any of the myriad money-grab DLC schemes that have become so popular as of late.

 

[Rabish Bini]

Rip me off a portion of the game eh?

Pass

 

[soliddensity]

Why is everyone getting so angry? Why are you all so against buying games new? Either way its not like they're ripping out the entire second half of the game. People are proclaiming that they're not going to buy the game now at all because some small extra content is locked for second hand copies. Its not like a few bonus hatches are gonna turn your gaming experience from a 5 to a 10/10. Just relax and enjoy the game.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

None of that matters to me.

Allow me to make this clear: I'm expressly thinking from the point of view of the developers and publishers. I know that's a naive way to go about it. I know that's at odds with the point of view of the average gamer......but why should it be?

Publishers help developers to craft these amazing works of interactive artwork...... and Gamers are willing to just exploit a loophole in the legal system to play these games without giving THEM a single cent? (Of course then they log into forums to laud it. How duplicitous is that?) That's what matters to them. The fact that people are playing their games (which took millions of dollars and 2-4 whole years to make) without giving THEM any money at all, for creating the game. To THEM......how is it different from Piracy?

Sure the government says it's fine......but what stake does the government have in this? They are not being affected by this in any way, shape or form; The game makers ARE. Why should they fight Used game sales any less than they do Piracy? Why should they not fight it with any means available to them?

I can see where your coming from from your POV, but i'll go from the gamers POV. The thing is, why the should the gamer be punished for looking around for a good deal?

I'm not a console gamer any more, I gave up around the PS3 hacking debacle and even then I brought very few games because there were none that interested me, but if I was looking around for a game and saw one going for around £45-£50 and the same game which was used going for around £20-£40 (yeah the price ranges are a bit stupid but meh) ...Yeah I'd go with the used game

Why on earth should I be punished for looking for a good deal when its clearly the game retailer that's at fault? they sell it for cheaper (or slightly cheaper depending on the age of the game)

Surely it would be smarter for the publishers and developers that have so much of an issue with used game sales to go after the retailers than come up with these stupid ways to demonise a gamer who's only crime is spending their money the way they want?

Well thats my take on it anyway.

But...But Pirates get the best deals EVER, then! How can you beat the price of free?!

Or fuck Torrents. If you go to a DVD store in any shopping mall in any Indian city, you can get a bootleg double Dvd copy of ANY retail game for like.....~100 rupees. No DRM. No cut levels. No multiplayer though.... But still 100 rupees. That's literally 2 fucking Dollars! So Indian gamers are getting the best bargain deals of all time! And apparently you can't blame them for doing that?

And technically the gamers themselves aren't stealing cause they are paying some random third party that is not affiliated with any publishers, for their used games. Sound familiar?

 

[Jonabob87]

Excellent.

 

[quantumsoul]

I've always hated sewer levels for the most part. So this doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

[Wicky_42]

As I'm sure has been mentioned before, what's the fuss? You can't even trade in PC games, and haven't been able to for years - it's not the apocalypse or anything, it's just annoying.

 

[Wicky_42]

...
As for waiting a few months to buy a game on sale? I don't know about the magical candy land you live in, but I'll use Crysis 2 as an example. On sale, it was only $10 less than the original price. Just because I'm poor doesn't mean I should wait 6-8 months for a fair price drop, and you're rather mistaken if you think I will.

The trouble is that this attitude is entitlement, with the legal and, tbh, moral argument being that games are a luxury, not a necessity, and that it is up to the publisher and distributor to decide on what a 'fair' price is in the first place. You have very little ground to stand on. You could claim the prices demanded of you are too high and unaffordable, but it's the same for any other good; you aren't entitled to a Ferrari or Lamborghini just because they cost too much and you can't afford them, and the same applies here to your entertainment.

Do I personally think game prices are too high? Yeah, perhaps, especially for the quantity of content and on occasion quality being sold, and a lot of that is down to so much being spent on graphics for those money shots. However, that is the price that they are being sold at. If you don't like it and can't afford it then you WILL have to wait up to a year for sale prices to come up, because that's the way it works. Or you could pre-order games, and save 10% on a title you were planning on buying anyway and get it on release.

In short, being poor isn't a valid excuse, and neither is lack of patience.

 

[G96 Saber]

Oh no, this is terrible, poor people will miss a small part of Rage. Oh Jesus Christ!

Game developers have gone bust because of the second-hand market; so i support this.

 

[No_Remainders]

that sounds... pretty shitty. now i will probably miss this game entirely. meh

edit:

I thought bad things when i read the title, but now I know that its only small parts of the SP taht are being cut for used palyers. In my opinion this is the right way to do DRM.

no, it is not the right way to do DRM, because it is punishing gamers who have still legitimately bought a copy of the game, but could not afford to do so first hand.

Not necessarily.

You could just wait, y'know, a few months until the price for a new copy of the game drops to about 75% of its price? How about the post-Christmas sales?

I think it's quite a good way of doing DRM.

 

[PorkChopXpress]

Money money mooooney...MOOOONEY!

Doesn't hurt me, I'm not buying it.

 

[stewox]

Basically im buying because of modding tools

don't really care about those sewers

 

[Voration]

Well my response to that is I will never buy rage.

I'm not being petty or anything, but I don't have online access and generally only play single player campaigns. I also don't buy games when they come out, I wait until I can afford them :s

 

[Hamish Durie]

-.- you are weak id

 

[Royas]

And this is going to stop modders from unlocking the content how?

You know, it'll stop them...from uh...getting underground with it's...firewall?

Obviously, you're not a golfer.

And wow Bethesda, next you'll be pulling this tactic on Skyrim and locking out Dragons.

Why do I think this is all id. Bethesda's usually pretty damned cool about stuff like this. Like the rewards for buying a new New Vegas were just some clothes or a gun. Heck, Oblivion for PC had no DRM when I bought it. Yeah, I think id is just using Bethesda to publish the game.

That said: Shut up, shut up, shut up! We don't want to give them any ideas!

Usually it's the publisher who makes decisions about DRM and the like. At least that's the argument I hear used when DRM is announce and people say "blame the publisher, the devs are saints!". So, I doubt this is all id, this is at the very least part of an agreement between the two companies, making it the fault and responsibility of both companies.

 

[Baresark]

And there's a difference between "some money" and "no money at all"

I like how you think that devs don't get paid until people buy the games from stores.

It's cute. Naive, but cute.

Everyone on this site believes that. I posted a forum thread for asking about how developer/publisher monetary relations work in regards to this, asking for sourced material and not just "common knowledge". All I got was common knowledge and no sourced explanations what so ever. They are all naive and none are really cute. =p

There is literally no reasoning behind this, and people seem to think this is how business is run, not with a predetermined contractual amounts of money (you know, how almost all other businesses are run).

 

[Littaly]

With Rage's plan sounding suspiciously similar to some sort of reverse day-one DLC, there're sure to be more than a handful of gamers who take issue with the decision. While publishers do have to take steps to protect their industry, what I don't understand is why Willits is trying to downplay the fun-factor of running through the sewer missions Rage is locking with an online pass. If it's true that "most people will never even see it" and that skipping the section doesn't "detract" anything from your experience, then why would this actually affect whether or not a gamer buys the game new or used?

That's what I thought :-/

Either he's sweetening up the truth or they have thrown an intentionally half-assed punch at the used games market.

 

[Amphoteric]

There is nothing stopping someone from buying used and then just getting the cracked version...