But hotshots! If i boycott it I won't just be missing out on the cut section, I'll miss out on the whole gameHotshots said:
Rage Cuts Single-Player When You Buy It Used
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You must deal with this all the time! Every EA game you buy you have to deal with it so why is this pushing you over the edge?William Ossiss said:
It wouldn't be a boycott otherwise. id are just as guilty as EA; this is just as bad as first day DLC.Macrobstar said:
Obviously in a boycott people would miss out, but isn't that the point of a boycott is to not associate with the company being boycotted?
In fact if I understand the law properly I don't think the developer would have much legal recourse if you jailbreak the game. The law has typically taken a dim view of companies disabling functionality of a product while fishing for upgrade fees. In fact in the case of hardware it's been found to be an illegal anti-competitive practice to disable functionality with software/firmware unless additional fees are paid.Mr.K. said:
I dunno hotshots I'm really looking forward to rage and this doesn't bother me in the slightest, plus since its only the escapist who seems to be getting all riled up about this I doubt our boycott will affect them in any way considering most people on the internet say they're gonna boycott something then buy it anywayHotshots said:
Oh, ID Software, why hast thou forsaken me?
Seriously, 18 years ago I would have said ID Software is the greatest game developer in the world. Hell, I preferred their Doom over Valve's Halflife and still do. Surely they must see that this is just going to encourage piracy and game cracks right? Because this will in no way affect pirates, as much as they'd like to think it will
Seriously, 18 years ago I would have said ID Software is the greatest game developer in the world. Hell, I preferred their Doom over Valve's Halflife and still do. Surely they must see that this is just going to encourage piracy and game cracks right? Because this will in no way affect pirates, as much as they'd like to think it will
I think the greatest difference is probably the ongoing support for games (patches and so on). The original author of a book wouldn't come around to your house three months after publication, take their book off your shelf and correct the spelling error on page 214 with a biro. So I guess there's more of an emphasis on an active relationship between the dev and the customer than with other media.Khravv said:Haha, for some reason I got a kick outta that. Maybe because the way it started made me think of the oldspiceguy. Maybe that was intentional *shrug* but anyways.
Yeah, I totally agree.
It works that way for all of the other industries, and they don't whine about it nearly as much as game devs.
It would be idiotic to remove a chapter from a used book, wipe a song from a used CD, a scene from a used movie, or anything like that. So why should it be different?
And while I'm at it, last I checked listening to my CDs, watching movies, and reading books never required me to maintain a constant internet connection.
You know what, I think I understand now why other industries don't take the gaming industry seriously.
They're like the whiny little sibling that their mother forces them take with them to their friend's house.
(Haha, funny I of all people should say that, since I was that younger sibling in my family)
Still, the way the industry behaves about it is, as you say, very childish.
How is punishing late buyers gonna cut down the pirating rate of games? I saw trailers of Rage (which looked like a cross between Bulletstorm and Borderlands, honestly.), so I can't really say I was planning on buying it at $60, but really, does I.D. have to do this?
There is no need for things like this if you really want to do something about the DRM take dead island as an example. when its released if you buy it new you get some DLC early and some exclusive DLC so it can save you money but offers and exclusive item(s) for customers who buy it brand new. this is a fine way of doing things you simply reward dedicated fans or people who might just like the game but don't punish people who weren't convinced that it was worth £40.
Or if you are going to restrict features of a game because people dont want to risk their money when they might buy it but dont want to miss out. the only way I can see this as OK is if they release a GOOD demo first not just some half arsed 10 minute section of the game
Or if you are going to restrict features of a game because people dont want to risk their money when they might buy it but dont want to miss out. the only way I can see this as OK is if they release a GOOD demo first not just some half arsed 10 minute section of the game
I'm glad you expect full package without paying the people who made it. That's like you moving a couch for me and I pay only your friend for finding you to move it for me and he doesn't give you anything. And you're right who cares about the developers who are over worked, underpaid and often stepped on, the developers who are people too.ImprovizoR said:
I buy used too, I'm not bloody made of money and I save it where I can. But I'm not stupid and I know it doesn't go to them and it lowers their numbers which can hurt the budget for their next game or simply kill it.
I'm against DRM, I'm against fucking the customer over, but you're talking about removing something that does not wreck the game in anyway shape or form because you can easily buy that content via dlc now. And given you have an OPTION to buy it new or used and the choices are laid out rather than DRM where you just get to eat shit because the company legitimately hates their customers. They are not doing a thing wrong here, you just want all the content without giving them a dime, it's not siding it's just bloody common sense someone wants to be paid for their hard work.
So you can whine and throw your crayons at the wall and be self entitled that you paid for this game and it should have all the content,but you didn't pay THEM who MADE the game. Which means they're not making money which goes to cover the hours (sometimes years) they spend making that game. Not giving any money to the dev or helping their numbers. So you said it's a perspective thing, so why should they care what you want when you won't help them? How about that for perspective.
No, that's a silly analogy. It's like I moved a couch for you, and you payed me. But later a different friend moved your couch and you didn't pay me.Snotnarok said:
Or heck, it's like you bought a sofa from a sofa maker, then later sold the sofa and didn't give the money you got back to the sofa maker.
Also, if your right about the conditions that developers work in, hell they don't need more money, they need a goddamn union.
Let me see: Person A buys game. It is THEIRS. They sell it, as they have the right to (see "Capitalism") and someone buys it (see "Capitalism"). Suddenly a piece of it vanishes to the new buyer. WTH?! That makes no sense. That is like 5th gear breaking when a car is bought used, or all the red pixels disappearing from your second hand TV. Some of us don't have the money to buy every game new, and what buying 2nd hand does is gives us a chance to get to know a series, and it means that the seller can now afford another game new, game companies think of themselves each as a single link in a chain that moves in one direction, if the money moves below their link, they see it as gone, but it is actually an economic web, for games to enter the 2nd hand market, they have to be purchased, an the new seller gets money to buy more games, the whole industry will be shot in the foot with each game company that stops second hand selling. You also shrink your market as people won't enter gaming if everything they see costs $60, they will look at this and think "WTF?".GrizzlerBorno said:
And in our capitalist modern world, it is perfectly legal to buy and then resell something. It keeps the economy flowing, which in the long run DOES help the companies at the top, because their usual buyers still have cash for new goods. You act as if it is wrong or illegal to buy second hand, something that happens in all but the consumables' industries and brothels, in fact I'm not even sure about it not happening in the second one! That attitude is screaming that you are either rich and don't care about people who aren't, or just don't care.
Pitch this idea in its own thread and see what happens. This looks like the best idea to me.Irridium said:
How is Gamestop conning me? It makes sense to me, I don't want game, Gamestop want to sell game, other person wants my game on the cheap, it's a glorius trade.GrizzlerBorno said:
Anyway, that's a minor niggle, but how can you say with a straight face that an illegal thing (piracy) is the same as a legal thing (second hand sales). I mean, that's just batshit bananabrains silly.
Here's something I want to know, why is Gamestop, or any other game retailer less deserving of making money than the game developer? Why is it so wrong for the company to (in a totally legal way, as opposed to id's thing here which borders on breaking consumer rights) help both itself and its customers?
Nerd rage its lulzy, all I can say I did it with them and Oblivoin, its senseless to do it this way, tho FO3 got it right as in the game in the year addition with everything on the disc(still wont buy it its a weak poorly paced mess of a game with some good level design put into it).Macrobstar said:
Its only a shame those that care are insignificant these days.
It's probably been done...1-4 times already, but...
I just like to comment on weird aspects to this debate.
1. Don't forget, everyone; when you buy a game, new or used, you only purchase a lease of the license to play that game; Publishers/Developers actually own the game you're playing, and all you actually own is a piece of plastic.
2. Here's an idea on how you kill the used game market; pubs lock games after one play through if you did not buy the game new. The shit that'd flyif when that's pulled... But that's what we're headed towards. Companies use their very innovative capabilities to lock up their works from the populace. And all they have to do is find a way to work with the major used retail market (granted, not a simple task, but fuck, its about time!).
3. I'll throw out some advice here. Know who you're defending when you make an argument for or against. I've always thought defending publishers is like shielding them from sniper lasers, while the publisher has the developer hostage with a gun pointed at their heads. But really, when have big publishers ever been happy with/receptive of our support as gamers/consumers? Open your eyes to the game big-dog publishers are playing; they'll NEVER be happy with what we give, even if the used market never existed/crumbled.
Now these antics with RAGE aren't ground-shattering; as long as I'd get to pay for the sewer access later on, should I like the game, I'd be alot more satisfied paying for it later (and probably other additions too). I'd even get the game new if I was interested in it. But publishers are getting more and more brave with their eagle-eye over their clients; if you don't see the nature of the beast just yet, you will in time.
I just like to comment on weird aspects to this debate.
1. Don't forget, everyone; when you buy a game, new or used, you only purchase a lease of the license to play that game; Publishers/Developers actually own the game you're playing, and all you actually own is a piece of plastic.
2. Here's an idea on how you kill the used game market; pubs lock games after one play through if you did not buy the game new. The shit that'd fly
3. I'll throw out some advice here. Know who you're defending when you make an argument for or against. I've always thought defending publishers is like shielding them from sniper lasers, while the publisher has the developer hostage with a gun pointed at their heads. But really, when have big publishers ever been happy with/receptive of our support as gamers/consumers? Open your eyes to the game big-dog publishers are playing; they'll NEVER be happy with what we give, even if the used market never existed/crumbled.
Now these antics with RAGE aren't ground-shattering; as long as I'd get to pay for the sewer access later on, should I like the game, I'd be alot more satisfied paying for it later (and probably other additions too). I'd even get the game new if I was interested in it. But publishers are getting more and more brave with their eagle-eye over their clients; if you don't see the nature of the beast just yet, you will in time.
So the only people to be effected by this will be the small group of people who buy the game used and don't know how to download a crack that unlocked the sewers? I can almost guarantee that within a week of release there are a bunch of cracks to unlock the sewers without the code.
Yet I feel if someone downloads this crack it will be illegal which is a load of shit as you bought the game used legally and they are denying you the right to play everything in it.
Yet I feel if someone downloads this crack it will be illegal which is a load of shit as you bought the game used legally and they are denying you the right to play everything in it.