Rap Music.

[clairedelune]

I love a lot of rap music, and hate a lot of it too.
I love...
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
Atmosphere
Biggie (he's just fun)
OutKast
Eminem (some, not all)
Lupe Fiasco
Saul Williams

of those the main one I really love is Atmosphere. I'm sure either none of you or very very few of you know who they are, but they are a very different kind of rap/hiphop and I really love it.

I don't like lil wayne (he rhymes 'me' with... 'me.' Why. Why would you do that. Not just once. All the time) or soulja boy, or most of the party rap/club stuff that gets a lot of radio play. I can totally understand why rap gets a bad reputation. However, I'm really happy to have found rap artists/groups that have a little bit more substance.

 

[CloggedDonkey]

I don't hate rap as a whole, but as Yahtzee said "it's just that's always about guns, whores, and shooting guns with whores". but I still go by the proverb: treat music like candy, you gotta through away the rappers.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

Either they hear mainstream hip hop music (which tends not to be the cream of the genre) and hate it, or they hate 50 Cent and thus hate the genre, or they haven't given it a chance and hate it, or they just hate it for the sake of hating it, and those people (the last ones) well...

Or the style of music doesn't appeal to them, which is fine. But if it doesn't appeal then it doesn't give an excuse to hate.

There are more examples, but that'll do.

I don't intend ANY offence, but did it occur to you that the music simply might not speak to them?

Yes, and that is the reason why I said "Or the style of music doesn't appeal to them, which is fine. But if it doesn't appeal then it doesn't give an excuse to hate."

And I stand by this. It's common for lack of understanding of something to lead to resentment, but it's foolish in this respect (and well, in most).

Fair enough, I suppose this has gone on long enough. I'm grateful that for the most part, everyone here is at least respectful, and I think I'll frequent the boards more often. Thanks everyone for participating.

I'm glad I got some new artists to listen to

For anyone interested, try out Aesop Rock, Immortal Technique, Lupe Fiasco (Who is surprising still rather underground), Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Zion I, Mr. Lif, and Jedi Mindtricks.

Join the hip hop group we have here if you wish:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Mic-Club-The-Escapist-Hip-Hop-Group

 

[zehydra]

I don't like it because of Rap's themes (or stereotypical themes), It just sounds like obnoxious noise to my ears. Sure it rhymes, but I don't want to listen to poetry to just rhythm, I want other elements of music in there as well. People who like Rap can listen to Rap, I don't care, but there's a lot of us who miss the glory days of Rock.

 

[DJShire]

If you couldn't tell by the username, I'm learning to dj. Part of being a dj is learning electronic music history. Back when "rap" (hip-hop) first existed, it was much, much better. The lyrics were more creative, and the message was, well, not more positive, but wasn't about killing people, money, or degradation of women, as bubblegum rap (pop rap) is. It used to be about stringing strange and off-beat words together, making a narrative. That was lost in the early to mid 90s, thanks to West Coast rap becoming popular due to movies such as Friday and Boyz in the Hood, and the fact that the demographic with the most disposable income (white suburban teenagers), loved the "lifestyle" of the "gangstas", a grand contrast to their boring, normal, safe lives in white suburbia. Nowadays what made hip-hop and electro (yes children, old skool electro from the early to mid 80s) great is lost. Sub-genres like crunk (Little Jon) and snap (Soulja Boi) is mass produced for clubs and bars, and is so dumbed down for the masses it's ridiculous. Also funny: a great deal of pop rap is doing what old hip hop did: using a lot of synths and samples, almost like it had to take a step backwards to "re-invent" itself.

While some could say that "old rap was better", a lot of "old timers" to any genre of music can say that....my main focus is uplifting trance, and many people that have listened to all 20+ years of it, and many of them hate the current trance scene. I can appreciate the old trance as well as the new. It's very hard to say that for current hip-hop.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

I love a lot of rap music, and hate a lot of it too.
I love...
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
Atmosphere
Biggie (he's just fun)
OutKast
Eminem (some, not all)
Lupe Fiasco
Saul Williams

of those the main one I really love is Atmosphere. I'm sure either none of you or very very few of you know who they are, but they are a very different kind of rap/hiphop and I really love it.

I don't like lil wayne (he rhymes 'me' with... 'me.' Why. Why would you do that. Not just once. All the time) or soulja boy, or most of the party rap/club stuff that gets a lot of radio play. I can totally understand why rap gets a bad reputation. However, I'm really happy to have found rap artists/groups that have a little bit more substance.

I'm in agreement here, I can also see why the genre gets a lot of flak, it's one of the most profitable genres in the industry, and thus in everyone's faces. But what people see, seem to think represents the genre. Lil Wayne's rhyming style pisses me off also.

P.S. You should join the hip hop group we have also. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Mic-Club-The-Escapist-Hip-Hop-Group
And Atmosphere?

Spoiler

 

[Akai Shizuku]

I hate rap where there talking about is gangsters, violence, and bitches...

I agree!

We should rap about how our mom will take away "TV time" if we don't do the homework assigned to us.

Does that suit your gentle needs?

See, this is why I miss Tupac. He rapped about the real meaningful stuff, not like the BS we have today.

Always will be my favorite rapper.

 

[MorsePacific]

I'm quite a big fan of rap music, but most of the recent hip-hop and rap is just terrible. I'm tired of people like Soulja Boy and Lil' Wayne pretending their screeching and silly dances are good, when there are legitimate rappers/rap groups out there that are absolutely great. Atmosphere, for example, is absolutely superb indie hip-hop.

So when asked why people hate rap, I can only respond with this: Soulja Boy.

 

[clairedelune]

I love a lot of rap music, and hate a lot of it too.
I love...
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
Atmosphere
Biggie (he's just fun)
OutKast
Eminem (some, not all)
Lupe Fiasco
Saul Williams

of those the main one I really love is Atmosphere. I'm sure either none of you or very very few of you know who they are, but they are a very different kind of rap/hiphop and I really love it.

I don't like lil wayne (he rhymes 'me' with... 'me.' Why. Why would you do that. Not just once. All the time) or soulja boy, or most of the party rap/club stuff that gets a lot of radio play. I can totally understand why rap gets a bad reputation. However, I'm really happy to have found rap artists/groups that have a little bit more substance.

I'm in agreement here, I can also see why the genre gets a lot of flak, it's one of the most profitable genres in the industry, and thus in everyone's faces. But what people see, seem to think represents the genre. Lil Wayne's rhyming style pisses me off also.

P.S. You should join the hip hop group we have also. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Mic-Club-The-Escapist-Hip-Hop-Group
And Atmosphere?

Spoiler

GodLovesUgly is SUCH a great album.

 

[Gildan Bladeborn]

I cant believe that you can say jazz doesnt do anywhere. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EZwX_7L_1s basically proves you dead wrong, and i can keep on going all day about songs jazz songs that go places.

If you listen to the chord progressions of jazz you realize that it never stays in the same key throughout an entire piece. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYK3sHjGlKo changes keys every 4 measures. this is a easier progression to play as well. For you to say jazz doesnt go anywhere proves your music ignorance.

I'm not talking about chord progression, or time signatures, or even melodic phrasing, all of which are indeed quite varied in the first song you linked to - for whichever instrument is performing the solo that is. The rest of the ensemble in club jazz will play extremely repetitive and musically uninteresting 'backup' that features little to no variation at all, serving mostly to keep time and provide the underlying 'feel' that all those songs seem to have (that of club jazz) while the soloist does the interesting stuff.

I invite you to listen to the following:
When you contrast the Miles Davis pieces to the concerto, I think you'll see why I don't much care for club jazz - the songs go on and on, the beginning and ending are practically arbitrary, and the feel of the song never leaves that zone of "hipster cool" which all club jazz intentionally mires itself in.

I understand that most if not all of it was improvised. I understand that I'm probably listening to the work of extremely talented musicians, but I also understand that they are musically "running in place", playing technical but kind of soulless fare that doesn't convey any sort of message except "You are in a club, listening to jazz. Oooohhh yeeaaaah." There's no impact, no dizzying highs and abyssal lows, the only variance in dynamics to be found at all are with the instrument at the fore, though it doesn't actually matter since the rest of the group plays at the same volume level throughout no matter what the soloist does.

Give me the blues, give me big band jazz, give me anything that goes somewhere, but don't give me what you linked to because that never even contemplates leaving the club from start to finish.

Or more succinctly, don't give me anything that relies heavily on the string bass.

 

[FluffyNeurosis]

The only rap I like consistently comes from either the Beastie Boys or DMX. Beastie Boys because they make me laugh and DMX because he is a crazy mo-fo. I hate most rap because its just some guy singing about how great he is and how he is going to do sex to some chick $$ cash money hoz.

 

[Caligulove]

theres been a lot of saturation of the shitty kind of rap music... which i think is the problem.

personally, I do like T-Pain mostly because hes beginning to show that he can make fun of himself and might realize all he does is auto-tune.

As for the other mainstream stuff out there... well, I just stopped listening because I felt like I was hearing the same thing repeat for a few months then slightly change. I like listening to a lot of different stuff, always changing

 

[Assassin Xaero]

1. It is annoying as hell (to me).
2. I don't consider it music. This is not because I don't like it, because I hate country and Christmas music too, but I still refer to those as music. Rap is a "beat" with a guy rhyming (really badly). And if anyone says that screaming in metal isn't music, well, you are right. Screaming isn't music, but the guitar, drums, and bass ARE music, so suck it.
3. I've been listening to metal and punk since I was 8, and rap is kind of the opposite, which is probably why I find it so terrible.

 

[Arisato-kun]

I can't stand Rap becuasethe VAST majority is a pile of sexist, racist, religous, or otherwise diturbing to my sensibilities.

One of the most common misconceptions about hip-hop on the whole.
To say that the vast majority are anything is an ignorant statement because the amount of hip-hop outside the mainstream and underground is staggering. Just because mainstream hip-hop artists are ignorant, doesn't mean that gives you license to be about a whole movement of music.

I'm just going to point out that someone else said that they aren't going rifle through all of it to find the few gems. It cycles through that never ending pit of "oh well you haven't heard THIS song, trust me, you'll love it if you don't love any other rap song." And after awhile, that gets really old when it actually does regurgitate the same shit that turns us away from the genre.

Personally though, I don't like rap because of the lifestyle it promotes. speaking in wide generalities, it promotes a lifestyle of piss poor decisions, mental weakness to give into group-think (being a gangster in general), being a tough-guy douchebag wherever you go to whoever happens to cross your path, and treating women like shit.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Oddly enough I find that a lot of douchebags I know are really into rap. One of them also made fun of me for saying that hitting women is bad. Both of which are presented in rap. Curious.

But to put in my own two cents it's not just the lyrics and their message. I was raised on rock and usually I tend to shy away from any genre of music that doesn't incorporate the use of a guitar. Plus I'm drawn to music that's inventive and I just don't get that vibe from rap. I'll take Streetlight Manifesto and Big D and the Kids' Table over Tupac and T-Pain any day of the week.

Plus I can't really get over the whole fact that there's usually no singing in the rap songs I have listened to. If music has lyrics then I want to listen to a talented vocalist, not some dude talking.

 

[Axle_Bullitt_19]

I just listen to Beastie Boys, Fettes Brot, and Quarashi when it comes to Rap.

 

[Tdc2182]

Basically, because it all sounds the same. And it is very ignant to women and encourages hatred towards police. Obviously these people have never seen an actual police officer. They just here to many stories about corrupt cops. There are a few songs that I like,but not many.

 

[Spiner909]

I's because good rap is extremely rare.

 

[Tdc2182]

I can't stand Rap becuasethe VAST majority is a pile of sexist, racist, religous, or otherwise diturbing to my sensibilities.

One of the most common misconceptions about hip-hop on the whole.
To say that the vast majority are anything is an ignorant statement because the amount of hip-hop outside the mainstream and underground is staggering. Just because mainstream hip-hop artists are ignorant, doesn't mean that gives you license to be about a whole movement of music.

I'm just going to point out that someone else said that they aren't going rifle through all of it to find the few gems. It cycles through that never ending pit of "oh well you haven't heard THIS song, trust me, you'll love it if you don't love any other rap song." And after awhile, that gets really old when it actually does regurgitate the same shit that turns us away from the genre.

Personally though, I don't like rap because of the lifestyle it promotes. speaking in wide generalities, it promotes a lifestyle of piss poor decisions, mental weakness to give into group-think (being a gangster in general), being a tough-guy douchebag wherever you go to whoever happens to cross your path, and treating women like shit.

Thread/ especially the last paragraph

 

[Oldmanwillow]

I cant believe that you can say jazz doesnt do anywhere. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EZwX_7L_1s basically proves you dead wrong, and i can keep on going all day about songs jazz songs that go places.

If you listen to the chord progressions of jazz you realize that it never stays in the same key throughout an entire piece. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYK3sHjGlKo changes keys every 4 measures. this is a easier progression to play as well. For you to say jazz doesnt go anywhere proves your music ignorance.

I'm not talking about chord progression, or time signatures, or even melodic phrasing, all of which are indeed quite varied in the first song you linked to - for whichever instrument is performing the solo that is. The rest of the ensemble in club jazz will play extremely repetitive and musically uninteresting 'backup' that features little to no variation at all, serving mostly to keep time and provide the underlying 'feel' that all those songs seem to have (that of club jazz) while the soloist does the interesting stuff.

I invite you to listen to the following:
When you contrast the Miles Davis pieces to the concerto, I think you'll see why I don't much care for club jazz - the songs go on and on, the beginning and ending are practically arbitrary, and the feel of the song never leaves that zone of "hipster cool" which all club jazz intentionally mires itself in.

I understand that most if not all of it was improvised. I understand that I'm probably listening to the work of extremely talented musicians, but I also understand that they are musically "running in place", playing technical but kind of soulless fare that doesn't convey any sort of message except "You are in a club, listening to jazz. Oooohhh yeeaaaah." There's no impact, no dizzying highs and abyssal lows, the only variance in dynamics to be found at all are with the instrument at the fore, though it doesn't actually matter since the rest of the group plays at the same volume level throughout no matter what the soloist does.

Give me the blues, give me big band jazz, give me anything that goes somewhere, but don't give me what you linked to because that never even contemplates leaving the club from start to finish.

Or more succinctly, don't give me anything that relies heavily on the string bass.

You just become my favorite person on this form. I cent believe you linked me my favorite piece for cello. Good tastes sir good tastes. while i do prefer playing/listening to big band and symphony orchestras i still respect jazz combo musicians. They can do quite a lot its just unfortunate that they can drag solos out for way too long. also believe it or not the good jazz combo is always reacting to each other. If you ever get a chance to play with you you will understand what i am saying there.

Also remember big band has about 20 people and a orchestra has about 100. while a combo has 5. A rhythm section of a combo is there to keep a stead beat and to react to the soloists ideas. The problem with listen to jazz on recordings is you dont pick up theses little nuances, and in a club you have to really be listening to pick everything.

Since we were talking about good pieces for cello have you ever herd the Brahms Double Concerto
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK318P6nxGE ]
Its one of my favorite pieces. hope you enjoy.

Also what big bands have you listened too? i am just curious.

 

[Space Cowgirl]

Personally, I find Rap the most annoying, migraine causing, bullet-to-the-head trash that I've ever had the displeasure to hear. In all honesty, this 'music' frankly disappoints me as it is a massacre to civilized language. If these no-talent wanna-be 'Ganstas' make thousands, if not millions, off making up bad poetry set to worse beats that encourage acting like a petulant child and shooting up everyone and everything that so much spares them a passing glance on the street, then what's to say they may act like this in person? If so, then they're prime examples of where our society is headed... Jagged rock junction. I know that not all Rap is about guns, whores, and whores getting shot with guns, but most Hip=Hop/Rap (Yes, I do tend to classify them as basically the same thing) is fricking ludicrous, if not downright bad. Now, I'm going to contradict myself and what I just said and probably make myself look like a total hypocryte, but there is one, and precisely one, rap song that I like and that's 'Mockingbird' by Eminem. But in hindsight, the song is getting rather blah to me and has become pointless drivel in my ears. But despite that, I just personally dislike all forms of Rap.