I'm a pretty big fan of free speech in all its forms but
I don't think anyone needs to see that.RapeLay Review said:
"Rape Game" On Amazon Triggers Anger, Outrage
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This man speaks the truth.Cousin_IT said:Keith Vaz is a joke. & Japan is Japan. No1 understands either & they dont understand eachother
Also 'lol japan?!'
Notice how you don't see them trying to release these games outside of Japan? I would also love to know why a British politician's opinion should matter when this product was never meant to be sold outside of the country of origin. If you think westeners don't have simillar types of rape fantasies just surf a few porn sites and read the captions for videos and you will see how wrong you are. I bet I could write a book from the point of view of a rapist and no one would flinch.
Really when you think about it and discard all of this useless moral pontificating the rape fetish is not very different from more "mainstream" domination fetishes. Plenty of normal people find someone to play that type of "game" with them every day and no one else suffers for it.
Really when you think about it and discard all of this useless moral pontificating the rape fetish is not very different from more "mainstream" domination fetishes. Plenty of normal people find someone to play that type of "game" with them every day and no one else suffers for it.
Yes, to me that's more the problem with this game, than any amount of 'rape fantasy' stuff, if they had not included what's obviously meant to be a young kid in the game , I wouldn't have a problem with it. I still don't think it should be released outside Japan, where the culture is more accepting of these types of porn game, and that's what it is, let's stop the arguments about it being a regular game, most people are not playing this game with both hands.Armitage Shanks said:
After all, if you've ever seen any of those lists of popular female sexual fantasies, 'rape fantasy' is quite high up there, of course no woman wants to be raped, but in a fantasy situation with the right guy, there's no harm done in fantasy and roleplay. I don't pretend to understand all fetishes and fantasies but so long as both sides are happy and not doing anything to upset the neighbours by doing it in the garden, where's the problem?
Now it appears I'm counter-arguing myself here, 'so why can't they make a fantasy game about raping kids?' I'd argue that child pornography is illegal just about everywhere, and should be, and certainly people should not be profiting from this stuff, even if there's a market for it. I just don't see a reason for sexualising children, and yes I find the beauty pageants in the US creepy too.
Also, as for rape in other mediums, look at say, 'The Accused' with Jodie Foster, and then look at this game, they deal with rape in very different ways. It's like if I wrote a book about a guy who went round raping women every day and logging how much he enjoyed it and noted all the intimate details. Rape can be covered in any media, if it's approached in the right way, just like death can be three seconds of GTA footage, or a half hour cut scene in a JRPG. It exists in most artistic mediums but it is not glorified like in Rapelay.
Also rape just is less socially acceptable than violence, even basic sexuality scares a lot of people more than just gratuitous evisceration, just look at Mass Effect, shoot a thousand people, fine, 2 seconds of female alien butt and its all 'Next on FOX news: Killer pervert video games tries to brainwash your children into becoming sex offenders.'
Having said that, didn't Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy pass by almost unnoticed? Despite having a full interactive sex scene?
I think when it comes down to it, in most people, shooting someone in a videogame, doesn't trigger the mental processes to want to kill IRL, however, a porn game, such as this one based around rape, is designed to arouse and stimulate, not to just 'entertain'.
When it comes down to it, we've always been shooting targets, whether its a space invader or a Fallout3 'super mutant', its a test of skill and reactions.
The violent version of Rapelay would be where you had a helpless victim tied to a bed and you had an array of tools with which to slowly torture them to death. No skill involved, just constant titillation of the baser instincts. 'Oh cool, I can snip their toes off with pliers then blowtorch the stumps to stop the bleeding.' In fact, come to think of it, there's probably more gameplay involved, as you'd have to try to keep em alive. Also, I'm thinking I'm giving game designers ideas, so I'll stop now.
That's an area Manhunt dabbled with, in its choosing to use various deaths as 'entertainment' but in the majority I don't feel we really revel in the causing of death quite like a porn game revels in sex.
Having said that, didn't Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy pass by almost unnoticed? Despite having a full interactive sex scene?
I think when it comes down to it, in most people, shooting someone in a videogame, doesn't trigger the mental processes to want to kill IRL, however, a porn game, such as this one based around rape, is designed to arouse and stimulate, not to just 'entertain'.
When it comes down to it, we've always been shooting targets, whether its a space invader or a Fallout3 'super mutant', its a test of skill and reactions.
The violent version of Rapelay would be where you had a helpless victim tied to a bed and you had an array of tools with which to slowly torture them to death. No skill involved, just constant titillation of the baser instincts. 'Oh cool, I can snip their toes off with pliers then blowtorch the stumps to stop the bleeding.' In fact, come to think of it, there's probably more gameplay involved, as you'd have to try to keep em alive. Also, I'm thinking I'm giving game designers ideas, so I'll stop now.
That's an area Manhunt dabbled with, in its choosing to use various deaths as 'entertainment' but in the majority I don't feel we really revel in the causing of death quite like a porn game revels in sex.
Games and movies like that have been around for some time. Rapelay is just the tip of the iceberg.
Child pornography is illegal because it exploits children. Legally, I'm pretty sure child porn that is obviously fake children has been alright in America since 2003.
Fair enough. But since no one who buys that game doesn't already want to rape people (even if they wouldn't do anything more than BDSM and finds actual rapists to be complete and utter assholes) it's different.
Yea, but someone probably wants to, and maybe if they couldn't get their rocks off through this they're gonna use a real 10 year old.
Which is why society is retarded.
I don't want it released outside of japan, unless imports in porn shops, or the back of a game store count . Simply because, I'd rather either it stay there or the soccermoms not know about it until the industry in America expands a bit so they could atleast hire a good lawyer. I agree it's not a regular game, it's technically a game but only that.
Yes! Thank you!!
That doesn't make it non-genocidal. Also, the violence isn't that cartoonish in GTA4, infact as far as going on random killing sprees goes (everyone does killing sprees in GTA!! Don't say it's a choice, it might as well not be if everyone does the same thing) I say it's realistic enough where yes killing a million people is worse than a rape.I_LIKE_CAKE said:
Uh huh. I wanna walk around without any pants on. Does it mean I need to?mike1921 said:
The fact is, real or not, by simulating child porn, especially so graphically, you're making it seem more acceptable.
And please, don't even try and argue that there is a time and place for child pornography. Rape simulations and fantasy, maybe, if you're really into that stuff and its handled kind of appropriately, maybe. But pedophile simulations, just no.
Thanks for actually responding. I was feeling like I just got an unsatisfying victory since no one was responding. I'd much rather have someone who argues against me.
Fine, either I shouldn't of said wants or the other person shouldn't of said needs, or maybe I should've explained a little more.
I don't think it's acceptable. I think it's disgusting but because it's not real my whole entire view of life would be hypocritical for me to have if I didn't fully support someone's rights to see it and some sick bastard's rights to produce it and market it through any stores who want to market it.
While I just wish there were no pedophiles, and no one would want this kind of porn, I don't see why a simulation should ever be seen as wrong . What makes pedophiles different? Yes I think RL they're worse (or atleast the kind of pedo you are in this game, a pre-pubescent child rapist. Not a wishy washy 22 year old and a 16 year old which I'm debating internally that it isn't immoral let alone horrible). Same concepts still apply, you're not hurting anyone by jerking off to this game. Some (or me atleast) think it'll stop actual child rapists.
You know, a good deal of you are forgetting one little thing as you make your blurbs and remarks about a topic that you feel very qualified to discuss (games). You are (generally, not all) men and therefore (usually) know little about or (again, generally) have little to fear from rape. Some of you admit to knowing a female that was sexually assualted or raped. However, that doesn't qualify you in the least to make comments like, "So what? It's less brutal than Manhunt."
You are not a credible source. ^_^
First things first, many of you have said things like, "But women like rape!" which confuses actual rape with rape fantasies or fetishes, which are two different things. Rape fetishes are about sex. Rape is about power. Sometimes, the agressor doesn't even have to remove any clothing in order to violate the victim, especially if the victim is female. A baseball bat, broom, hairbrush, or gun barrel all have the basic shape necessary. Rape isn't about getting your rocks off watching the victim cry, it's about watching the victim crying and being traumatized while the agressor revels in the feeling of superiority. Orgasm isn't the point of rape; it can be a nice side-effect for the agressor but it's not the point.
Rape also has the unpleasant side-effect for the victim of leaving you alive to deal with all the trauma, physical and psychological. At least if you were killed, you're dead and don't have to worry about it anymore. It's a form of torture. So saying that torture is worse than rape is a falsehood because the two are the same. Rape is psychological torture on top of physical violation.
Next we have the argument that genocide is worse than rape. Well, yeah, duh. Some of the previous counter-arguments were well made though, so to restate; genocide is a less likely crime for the average human being than rape. Rape is more personal on an individual and societal scale for the types of people reading and writing in this forum. It doesn't make it "worse," but does the severity of the crime make it any less a crime? It's just as wrong to rape someone as it is to maim or kill them, or steal their stuff, or spread horrible rumors about them. As a society we have "rated" or crimes on a scale of severity so as to not have to deal out the death penalty for stolen packs of gum. An effect of this is that we have a mindset that we can do bad things so long as we are willing to live with the penalty. Paying a $75 fine for speeding is something we can live with. How many of us would speed if the penalty was the loss of your foot? Genocide IS worse than rape on the rating system we have devised as a society. But it's still wrong.
Now for the big one: It's just a game. Yep, it is. We make movies and books way worse than this; why are we getting all up-in-arms about it? Because the world as a whole still is of the mindset that "video games are for children." By making a video game about an adult topic, the way other people see it, we have made the game for little Johnny. It's a big deal because, "It's a video game, and video games are for kids!" Now, we here at the Escapist all know better. GTA isn't for children. Manhunt isn't for children. Hostel and Saw weren't for children. And Felicity's Fellating Female Friends isn't for children either. Rapelay wasn't designed for children. The fact that it came from Japan and whose brainchild it was is moot. Marketing needs to stop advertising for things it's not supposed to (adult/mature video games) when and where it's not supposed to and parents need to be just as informed about adult video games as they are about adult movies. Then, maybe, we can all calm down here in gaming territory.
The last bit has to do with the child porn issue. It's wrong, and bad; children can't protect themselves the way an adult can and I think we all agree that it's just plain not acceptable. Now... /sigh Simulations do not stop people with actual mental problems in the same way that simulations do not really prepare soldiers for the reality or war. Simulations make you more likely to behave in a certain way in certain conditions; it's called "conditioning." And shooter-style games actually DO condition us to make us more likely to pull the trigger in the same type of stressful situations. Operating a controller or keyboard is nowhere near the same as operating a pistol or shotgun, even a child could tell you that, but the type of stress felt when one has a gun, real or simulated, in their hand and is being pressured to do something in response to outside agression IS similar. This is the only reason why the argument that video games turn children into killers holds water. Conditioning works. Japan doesn't have a low incidence of violent crime becaue they have hentai. That's ridiculous. Japan has a low incidence of violent crime mostly because the have a mostly homogenous make up of citizenry in a small area. There are so many factors in play that hentai isn't a big enough factor to make a viable difference without the others. If you want to stop pedophiles, hook them up to an electric shock that goes off when they're shown pictures of children. That'll put a stop to it real fast. Unless they like pain, too. D:
This is an adult video game that features rape-fetish in a hentai/anime-style format. It's new (yes I know it's been out a few years but when you first hear about it, it's new to you) and therefore shocking. It's awful in the same way that Clock Tower was awful. Bad Amazon for not being more careful. Bad people with stupid heads that think we don't know better. But let's face the reality of things; as long as we live in a society that promotes freedom of expression, there will always be a market for these things. It is up to you to discern what you want and don't want for yourself and or any kiddos you might wanna make and to help instill the morals that you want them to have.
You are not a credible source. ^_^
First things first, many of you have said things like, "But women like rape!" which confuses actual rape with rape fantasies or fetishes, which are two different things. Rape fetishes are about sex. Rape is about power. Sometimes, the agressor doesn't even have to remove any clothing in order to violate the victim, especially if the victim is female. A baseball bat, broom, hairbrush, or gun barrel all have the basic shape necessary. Rape isn't about getting your rocks off watching the victim cry, it's about watching the victim crying and being traumatized while the agressor revels in the feeling of superiority. Orgasm isn't the point of rape; it can be a nice side-effect for the agressor but it's not the point.
Rape also has the unpleasant side-effect for the victim of leaving you alive to deal with all the trauma, physical and psychological. At least if you were killed, you're dead and don't have to worry about it anymore. It's a form of torture. So saying that torture is worse than rape is a falsehood because the two are the same. Rape is psychological torture on top of physical violation.
Next we have the argument that genocide is worse than rape. Well, yeah, duh. Some of the previous counter-arguments were well made though, so to restate; genocide is a less likely crime for the average human being than rape. Rape is more personal on an individual and societal scale for the types of people reading and writing in this forum. It doesn't make it "worse," but does the severity of the crime make it any less a crime? It's just as wrong to rape someone as it is to maim or kill them, or steal their stuff, or spread horrible rumors about them. As a society we have "rated" or crimes on a scale of severity so as to not have to deal out the death penalty for stolen packs of gum. An effect of this is that we have a mindset that we can do bad things so long as we are willing to live with the penalty. Paying a $75 fine for speeding is something we can live with. How many of us would speed if the penalty was the loss of your foot? Genocide IS worse than rape on the rating system we have devised as a society. But it's still wrong.
Now for the big one: It's just a game. Yep, it is. We make movies and books way worse than this; why are we getting all up-in-arms about it? Because the world as a whole still is of the mindset that "video games are for children." By making a video game about an adult topic, the way other people see it, we have made the game for little Johnny. It's a big deal because, "It's a video game, and video games are for kids!" Now, we here at the Escapist all know better. GTA isn't for children. Manhunt isn't for children. Hostel and Saw weren't for children. And Felicity's Fellating Female Friends isn't for children either. Rapelay wasn't designed for children. The fact that it came from Japan and whose brainchild it was is moot. Marketing needs to stop advertising for things it's not supposed to (adult/mature video games) when and where it's not supposed to and parents need to be just as informed about adult video games as they are about adult movies. Then, maybe, we can all calm down here in gaming territory.
The last bit has to do with the child porn issue. It's wrong, and bad; children can't protect themselves the way an adult can and I think we all agree that it's just plain not acceptable. Now... /sigh Simulations do not stop people with actual mental problems in the same way that simulations do not really prepare soldiers for the reality or war. Simulations make you more likely to behave in a certain way in certain conditions; it's called "conditioning." And shooter-style games actually DO condition us to make us more likely to pull the trigger in the same type of stressful situations. Operating a controller or keyboard is nowhere near the same as operating a pistol or shotgun, even a child could tell you that, but the type of stress felt when one has a gun, real or simulated, in their hand and is being pressured to do something in response to outside agression IS similar. This is the only reason why the argument that video games turn children into killers holds water. Conditioning works. Japan doesn't have a low incidence of violent crime becaue they have hentai. That's ridiculous. Japan has a low incidence of violent crime mostly because the have a mostly homogenous make up of citizenry in a small area. There are so many factors in play that hentai isn't a big enough factor to make a viable difference without the others. If you want to stop pedophiles, hook them up to an electric shock that goes off when they're shown pictures of children. That'll put a stop to it real fast. Unless they like pain, too. D:
This is an adult video game that features rape-fetish in a hentai/anime-style format. It's new (yes I know it's been out a few years but when you first hear about it, it's new to you) and therefore shocking. It's awful in the same way that Clock Tower was awful. Bad Amazon for not being more careful. Bad people with stupid heads that think we don't know better. But let's face the reality of things; as long as we live in a society that promotes freedom of expression, there will always be a market for these things. It is up to you to discern what you want and don't want for yourself and or any kiddos you might wanna make and to help instill the morals that you want them to have.
You cant blame japan. A game is a game no matter how crass it is. I think that this is a good scape goat for video game violence/ video games influncing crimes.
I would be willing to bet my life as a gamer( and my life in general) That there will be multiple sources on the internet that will has downloads of this game. Now That american gamers KNOW this game exsist, We are going to work like hell to get copies of it.
over the reason 'There hasn't been an original game in years' as a excuse to try it.
In other news: I would totally try this game, There hasn't been an original game in years!
Yes, That was a joke. Jokes seem to be the only thing that in MAJORLY interpreted the same way by multiple people. Unlike this topic, which only very few people can understand correctly, and not based off of assumptions or weak excuses.
over the reason 'There hasn't been an original game in years' as a excuse to try it.
In other news: I would totally try this game, There hasn't been an original game in years!
Yes, That was a joke. Jokes seem to be the only thing that in MAJORLY interpreted the same way by multiple people. Unlike this topic, which only very few people can understand correctly, and not based off of assumptions or weak excuses.
Everything that you have said I agree with. You have proven the facts in a very intelligent manner, Supported your views, and Corrected the misguided interpretation of the community.Arcadia2000 said:
I applaud you in that matter, But the sad truth is: The Community of people will never be able to interpret matters the same way, or as clearly as your view point(Which I entirely believe in and share).
