Rape Games Banned in Japan

[Doug]

Its odd though, Im guessing that most of us spend a lot of time playing "murder simulators" and we are dead against people trying to ban those, because they dont offend us.

Wheras a rape game offends us so we agree to it being banned.


Good news though.

I think I shall invoke the rule of context. Very few games that get called up as 'murder simulators' actually focus on murder as the only and primary goal (I'm fairly sure Manhunt is 1 of the few expections). Add to that, the blood and gore is rarely in any detail - even having an arm blown off rarely give more than a cloud of red. Further, the player's goal isn't to torture you're enemy to death.

Rape, however, is pure torture. In fact, I see rape as worse in most cases than murder. Why? Typical murder is over in a flash, whereas rape is a continous horror that can extend over the rest of the victim's life.

 

[Deadarm]

Well just leave it up to white people to try and screw something up in another country. When you look at something like this its easy to understand why white people are always on the wrong end of the racist claims. I've never seen a problem with the rape genre, hell it probably keeps potential rapists off the street (so long as their PC works). However I would put good money on the people who originally objected to it were born before the 1950s or were those people who just disagree with anything that the "Bible" says is "wrong". I may be a fan of the genre, but then again I can also distinguish reality from fantasy, unlike a large number of people I know/associate with.

 

[ontherisess]

I don't see who would buy these games anyway but people that do why not let them? Why is rape worse than war? How come war veterans haven't got war games banned yet some stupid equality law (no matter what those retards say genders are completly equal now) can get games banned?

 

[ontherisess]

Its odd though, Im guessing that most of us spend a lot of time playing "murder simulators" and we are dead against people trying to ban those, because they dont offend us.

Wheras a rape game offends us so we agree to it being banned.


Good news though.

I think I shall invoke the rule of context. Very few games that get called up as 'murder simulators' actually focus on murder as the only and primary goal (I'm fairly sure Manhunt is 1 of the few expections). Add to that, the blood and gore is rarely in any detail - even having an arm blown off rarely give more than a cloud of red. Further, the player's goal isn't to torture you're enemy to death.

Rape, however, is pure torture. In fact, I see rape as worse in most cases than murder. Why? Typical murder is over in a flash, whereas rape is a continous horror that can extend over the rest of the victim's life.

Typical murder involves death. The end of everything for you. Nothing thats happened in your life matters once that happens. If you really think murder is not as bad as rape just kill yourself once youve been raped and the result is exactly the same.

 

[Caliostro]

I can't believe you're trying to justify a rape game by saying "well there are things just as bad out there". First of all, murder and kill or be killed situations are different. Self defense is not murder, any idiot knows that. Plowing someone over with a car (Grand Theft Auto), now that's a different story.


Actually, psychologically, the effect is the same. It's teaching you to shoot real people dead. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_153/4960-The-Anatomy-of-Violence[/url]

However, there is and never will be a justifiable reason to rape someone.

If I don't like it I shouldn't buy it? What the hell kind of logic is that? If I don't like murder should I just not kill anyone and say it's okay for everyone else because that's just what they're into? What school did you go to? I'd really like to see it shut down if they're turning around people that think rape is acceptable as long as it's simulated.

Anyone buying this game is a sick and twisted individual, and right now I'm thinking the same thing about the people who condone it.

What the hell kind of logic is THAT? Someone's buying a rape game ergo they're raping someone? By that logic I'm some sort of genocidal maniac with all the people, cities and even planets I've destroyed based on the titles I've purchased...

Is simulated rape acceptable? Is simulated murder acceptable? YEEEEEEEEEEEES. Keyword: SIMULATED [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/simulated]. Meaning, NOT REAL.

Remember something like 10-15 years ago, how ignorant people, much like you, went apeshit insane because "DOOM TURNED KIDS INTO KILLARS!!!"? Remember how they were so fantastically wrong? Notice how everyone with a semblance of an education today looks back, shakes their head and goes "...idiots" ? It's the same thing for those of us who actually use more than two braincells to understand there's a crucial difference between "real" and "fake", looking at people like you flailing your arms around, shouting and drooling like monkeys on meth trying to force people to live according to your arbitrary standards because your ego is too fragile to consider maybe other people like things you don't, and we're "facepalming" and going "not this shit again...".

 

[Doug]

For all the people saying "it's an outlet for people who want to rape", I can see it as a somewhat valid point.

However, I've read about this game before and every time you rape one of the women involved in the game there is a chance she will become pregnant. If you don't have the time, money, or whatever you are required by the game to have to forced her to abort the child, then you lose the game.

Now, I'm all for aborting a foetus that was spawned through rape, but really now, is that appropriate anywhere? Yes, I know, different culture, different standards, but can anyone seriously say with a straight face that they brought a copy of GTA to stop themselves from murdering random people, stealing cars, picking up prostitutes, and going on drug-raids? The excuse 'it stops me from raping people' is pretty bullshitty for 99% of people in the world; and I doubt many companies would make games for the 1% borderline rapists, rather than to sell a game which celebrates women's vulnerability.


Then again, I have strong opinions on the subject of rape. If people feel this is clouding rational judgement, please feel free to correct anything that I've said that just sounds stupid.

Same here, I can sortof see the 'its an outlet for rape urges' argument, but I think thats like putting a plaster over a blown off leg - if they have the urge to rape in the first place, its pretty likely they need a hell of alot more help than that... or chemical castration.

To be frank, I think that the harm is does is, as you say, 'celebrate women's vulernability', but also it threatens to normalize rape to some degree.

I'd be interested to see the estimated number of rapes per 1000 people in Japan vs other nations (reported rapes don't really count as its estimated that over 90% of rapes go unreported even in western nations). Especially Holland, where prostitution is legal.

 

[ontherisess]

For all the people saying "it's an outlet for people who want to rape", I can see it as a somewhat valid point.

However, I've read about this game before and every time you rape one of the women involved in the game there is a chance she will become pregnant. If you don't have the time, money, or whatever you are required by the game to have to forced her to abort the child, then you lose the game.

Now, I'm all for aborting a foetus that was spawned through rape, but really now, is that appropriate anywhere? Yes, I know, different culture, different standards, but can anyone seriously say with a straight face that they brought a copy of GTA to stop themselves from murdering random people, stealing cars, picking up prostitutes, and going on drug-raids? The excuse 'it stops me from raping people' is pretty bullshitty for 99% of people in the world; and I doubt many companies would make games for the 1% borderline rapists, rather than to sell a game which celebrates women's vulnerability.


Then again, I have strong opinions on the subject of rape. If people feel this is clouding rational judgement, please feel free to correct anything that I've said that just sounds stupid.

1% of rapist is a LOT of people. And even if it didn't stop anyone raping whos arsed? It's not going to encourage rape some people enjoy this sort of thing. It's not harming ANYONE AT ALL so let them do it.

 

[ontherisess]

Same here, I can sortof see the 'its an outlet for rape urges' argument, but I think thats like putting a plaster over a blown off leg - if they have the urge to rape in the first place, its pretty likely they need a hell of alot more help than that... or chemical castration.

To be frank, I think that the harm is does is, as you say, 'celebrate women's vulernability', but also it threatens to normalize rape to some degree.

I'd be interested to see the estimated number of rapes per 1000 people in Japan vs other nations (reported rapes don't really count as its estimated that over 90% of rapes go unreported even in western nations). Especially Holland, where prostitution is legal.

Since when was doing prositutes rape?

 

[FallenRainbows]

Oh and the anti-censor ships people...

There's an 8 year old girl in the game. Just saying if you don't think that warrants a ban, well, okay stick with you beliefs but as far as I'm concerned censor the crap out of trash like this.

 

[Doug]

Same here, I can sortof see the 'its an outlet for rape urges' argument, but I think thats like putting a plaster over a blown off leg - if they have the urge to rape in the first place, its pretty likely they need a hell of alot more help than that... or chemical castration.

To be frank, I think that the harm is does is, as you say, 'celebrate women's vulernability', but also it threatens to normalize rape to some degree.

I'd be interested to see the estimated number of rapes per 1000 people in Japan vs other nations (reported rapes don't really count as its estimated that over 90% of rapes go unreported even in western nations). Especially Holland, where prostitution is legal.

Since when was doing prositutes rape?

Since when did I say it was?!

I meant that in theory, prostitution reduces rape - does this happen in practise is another question.

 

[Curiosity's Cat]

Sorry if someone's already said this , I only read the first three pages before it got too repetitive for me.

I think the important thing in censorship is not the banning of the material but expressing as a society that we're not okay with some things. People will always find a way around censorship and games like this won't dissappear, to which I say-- whatever. After all, in the hands of most people they will no more encourage rape than GTA will encourage most people to steal cars and run down old ladies.

The important thing is that that we aren't validating the values (or lack thereof) in rape games. By keeping them on the fringe they're still accessible to the curious, fetishists or whoever wants to go look for them without risking questionable attitudes to women being normalized or widely accepted. I suppose the issue in Japan is that society's attitude towards women IS questionable. As been noted, the rape rate is pretty low compared to other countries, but I wonder how that statistic would fare if it included all forms of sexual assault, eg groping etc. On a broader note, Japanese women still struggle for equal pay and recognition in the workplace, and there are less women in government than some supposedly conservative middle eastern countries.

These problems are of course bigger than can be fixed with self-imposed gaming censorship, but it's a good step in the gradual changing of attitudes that appears to be taking place in Japan.

And I do think the overall issue here is attitude of some men toward women. Somebody made a point of saying men are sexually assaulted also, but that isn't what's portrayed in these games.

 

[wolfshrimp]

The thing is that while we have violent games (and I play them happily) there is a certain line. Sexual assault is one of the most terrible crimes in the world and horrendously scarring for the victim. And so is murder, but look at the context of an average shooter- you have enemies who are trying to kill you to stop you going somewhere or doing something so you kill them to make your task easier (bit Stalin-esque really) and there's always some sort of backstory to give you a reason for doing it. The act of killing isn't a personalised thing, there are so many and it's just a question of 'click mouse/press button, dude bleeds'

Now look at this game where the soul intent of the game is to sexually assault a mother and her daughters. Pregnancy and abortion are key features too. This is pretty fucking sick and rape ranks higher than murder as a crime to me. My aunt was raped and impregnated in the years before abortion was legal in the UK and she had to have the kid. My cousin is an ok kid but imagine the distress it causes both of them to know how he was created? Rape damages you forever because if you are unfortunate enough to be left alive after the attack you will never be able to forget it.

I'm not some rabid racist but there is something very messed up with the sexual part of Japanese culture. Has anyone heard of the Rape of Nanking? When the Imperial Japanese Army captured the Chinese capital in 1937 they embarked on a six week period of murder and rape. When I lived in Taiwan I used to see busloads of Japanese businessmen being bussed to huge brothel-hotels for the weekend. And to cement my argument here is a story for you: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3146514.stm read carefully

Now we have established that Japan needs to undergo a change in its view of sex so one thing we CAN do is stop encouraging and trivialising the act of sexual assault through video games.

Rant over, everyone have a nice day.

 

[Sewblon]

10-20 percent of the Japanese gaming market? I have had suspicions that Japan had sexual issues and this pretty much confirms it.

 

[Swaki]

how graphic does it have to become before its banned, i remember playing the path, in which one (possibly more but i only played it whit one girl) got raped yet the game was wildly appreciated, and ill say i find murder and torture till death to be far worse than rape yet those things are in bout 90% of all games made, the last 10% are games by popcap.

not to mention the hundred, no thousand of movies, books, porn, comic books, and anime/hentai shows that graphically describe or show rape, yet if it shows it so we sympathize whit the victim instead of the rapist those (mostly the movies and the books) can win prestigious awards.

its unethical to ban one view point and praise another, we dont have courts where one part gets a lawyer and the other gets a sock in their mouth.

 

[Doug]

The important thing is that that we aren't validating the values (or lack thereof) in rape games. By keeping them on the fringe they're still accessible to the curious, fetishists or whoever wants to go look for them without risking questionable attitudes to women being normalized or widely accepted. I suppose the issue in Japan is that society's attitude towards women IS questionable. As been noted, the rape rate is pretty low compared to other countries, but I wonder how that statistic would fare if it included all forms of sexual assault, eg groping etc. On a broader note, Japanese women still struggle for equal pay and recognition in the workplace, and there are less women in government than some supposedly conservative middle eastern countries.

I think the thing about the stats is they don't express the sheer difference in Japanese culture. As you say, their attitude towards women is very questionable. As such, I have to wonder how many women would report rape over there? And further, if they've been conditioned to be more submissive, they would be easier to for the arseholes of Japan (a cultural universal, the arsehole) to manpilate and control, and hence not need to rape.

Its very hard to simply compare the 2 sets of figures correctly, especially as rape is usually a witnessless criminal and the issue of consent is usually a case of her word vs his word (also part of but not the only the reason why rape convinctions are so low).

 

[Doug]

10-20 percent of the Japanese gaming market? I have had suspicions that Japan had sexual issues and this pretty much confirms it.

....?! You've only just worked that out now?!?

 

[ParkourMcGhee]

Watch the rape rates in Japan soar. Congratulations Feminists. You're making the world a worse place one country at a time.

 

[capnjack]

Here is a question.

Do rape games allow men/women to experience the vile act in a safe, private enviroment which then prevents them from going out and doing it "fo'real"? Do these games act as a curiosity killer?

Although my personal standpoint is that these "games" are massivly badong (bad and wrong), I am still intrested in the opinions of this dear community.

Not saying I don't agree with you, but some might argue that those exposed to this kind of thing who hadn't previously been exposed to it might like it too much.

I think, however, that rational people can understand the difference between reality and fantasy. Many people engage in fantasies, some of them more disturbing than others, without actually doing something bad. For example, some couples role-play, where the man pretends he is raping his wife, and she struggles. It gets them off. How is this any different? Are we to ban disturbing role-playing out-of-games as well?

 

[Doug]

how graphic does it have to become before its banned, i remember playing the path, in which one (possibly more but i only played it whit one girl) got raped yet the game was wildly appreciated, and ill say i find murder and torture till death to be far worse than rape yet those things are in bout 90% of all games made, the last 10% are games by popcap.

To be frank, a) the rape was implied, not shown. And b) to be honest, the sound of the 'event' didn't sound like rape to me, personally. Just my two pennies on the Path thing. Still hated that game.