Rape Games Banned in Japan

Muphin_Mann

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Take away the rape games from japan?

Is no sacred ground safe from these rabid censorship mongrols? What next, no classical nude paintings in public buildins?

(half serious. I dont really like rape games but i feel they have a right to exist if the ultra-violence games can)
 

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I hate to be the one to tell you this, and there's no easy way to do it, but supporting this movement is a disasterously BAD IDEA. I'm generally the last one to endorse rape in any form, but this platform is only a stepping stone. At first people were campaining against violence in video games, then they moved down to sex in video games, and now they're down to rape. Protesters are looking for the limit where gamers will be 100% willing to go against a genre so they can "island-hop" up the morality scale. By supporting the banning of these kind of games you are telling people that it is ok to just up and ban questionable content whenever they feel offended, and that is not how democracy works my friends.

It's fine to oppose fake rape, but free expression is more important than fake anything.
 

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Cliff_m85 said:
13lackfriday said:
Urgh, that cover really doesn't help the porno business's case.
Spells out the whole predatory nature of this kind of entertainment...almost as bad as those cases in the US involving men found with pedophilic material who got off on some very shrewd nitpicking on the part of their lawyers.

If this kind of niche entertainment has to exist, they could at least be a little more discreet about it.
They've been around too long, comfortable under the indifference of government.

Cliff_m85 said:
I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously rape is a horrible and hideous thing, but this is fictionalized rape. It doesn't harm anyone at all. I think that it should still be legal for sale to those who want it.
That's just going to entice people to try the real thing when they're through with the pixels.
So what you're saying is that we are all potential rapists and it just takes a few pixels to convince us to try the real thing?

What a disgusting look at humanity!
It's only human nature.
And we, as humans, are really just animals too, with the same instincts and impulses.

You give someone a taste of something, they'll want more.
Virtual recreations have their limits.
 

R.O.

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Westerners are really stupid. You think rape games really got banned in Japan? If there is money to be made aint shit getting banned in Japan dummies.
 

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I love how a lot of people are saying that if they ban rape, they'll ban other stuff...Listen people, Im all for freedom of speech and all, but you have to stop at a certain point. And rape is going WAY! to far for a game. just as Postal is going to far with just mindlessly killing people. So use your brain, if they don't stop it somewhere, then it will get worst and worst.
 

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13lackfriday said:
Cliff_m85 said:
13lackfriday said:
Urgh, that cover really doesn't help the porno business's case.
Spells out the whole predatory nature of this kind of entertainment...almost as bad as those cases in the US involving men found with pedophilic material who got off on some very shrewd nitpicking on the part of their lawyers.

If this kind of niche entertainment has to exist, they could at least be a little more discreet about it.
They've been around too long, comfortable under the indifference of government.

Cliff_m85 said:
I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously rape is a horrible and hideous thing, but this is fictionalized rape. It doesn't harm anyone at all. I think that it should still be legal for sale to those who want it.
That's just going to entice people to try the real thing when they're through with the pixels.
So what you're saying is that we are all potential rapists and it just takes a few pixels to convince us to try the real thing?

What a disgusting look at humanity!
It's only human nature.
And we, as humans, are really just animals too, with the same instincts and impulses.

You give someone a taste of something, they'll want more.
Virtual recreations have their limits.

Actually it's not human nature and it's a disgusting thought that everybody has a hidden rapist deep down inside of them and that any small enticement would bring it out of them.

I play Grand Theft Auto, but I'm never inclined to steal a vehicle or murder someone.
I drink alcohol occassionally, but never to excess. (Having a taste, want more claim)

Obviously we are animals, but we actually don't have the same instincts and impulses. We have a complex moral system and a sense of our own mortality that hinders certain behaviours for most people.
 

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Outcast107 said:
I love how a lot of people are saying that if they ban rape, they'll ban other stuff...Listen people, Im all for freedom of speech and all, but you have to stop at a certain point. And rape is going WAY! to far for a game. just as Postal is going to far with just mindlessly killing people. So use your brain, if they don't stop it somewhere, then it will get worst and worst.
Freedom of Speech, besides screaming fire in a theater or whatnot, can never go too far.


It's fantasy and it's not harming anyone. Pixels and animation....that's all it is.
 

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I think there's a justification of certain kinds of otherwise 'reprehensible behaviour' with context and artistic license. The 'killing' in an FPS is generally fantastical, with you facing hordes of indistinct opponents generally in a very stylised and explicitly fictional setting. And even then, the killing is generally incidental to the plot and meaning of the game itself. GTA, for example, is something of a counter-cultural phenomenon that legitimises itself on the basis of society's declaration of it as anathema. Yet even within this, the 'crimes' within it generally exist as part of a coherent narrative and are once again so far extricated from reality that it's incredibly difficult to make that cross-over from fantasy to reality unless you're mentally vulnerable anyway, in which case any media can promote violent behaviour. GTA in particular is aware of the controversy surrounding it in addition to this as are many of the gamers that come to it - often playing and buying it is tied up with something ever-so-slightly subversive. At least, in my world-view where everything is politically tinted in some way, shape or form.

But there's a line. There's always a line. We wouldn't allow a holocaust simulation game, I think. Or a game where you abduct and murder children. The difference is two-fold. Firstly, there's that arbitrary line where something becomes 'unacceptable' in ethical standards, as already pointed out. In this case, a rape simulator is on the far side of that line and rightly so. I think much of the issue is that sexual violence (Note, specifically *sexual* violence. More young men, statistically, are assaulted in terms of general violent crime, or so I remember. If anyone wants stats / feels like taking issue, please do.) is predominantly against women and most gamers are men, who likely don't see the problem with how rape is perceived in culture. But this is a side-note and not the crux of the issue.

The main point is when the game is *about* a controversial issue or whether it *contains / refers* to it. Many games contain controversial themes - murder, mental illness, rape, genocide and so on - which gain meaning according to those things that they're held in reference to. The one aspect of a picture is defined by those other aspects around it. Rape could be portrayed as negative and traumatic, but its inclusion in a game would be acceptable here. However, when rape is the sole content of a game and the sole stimulus for its creation, then I perceive a problem (Ditto with titles like Manhunt). They have little or no 'depth' to them that would otherwise mitigate their subject-matter. They're disturbing merely for the sake of disturbance or pandering to some twisted fantasy. And whilst I do think everyone should have a right to fantasize about what they want, publishing via mass-media and accounting for 10-20% of an industry is absolutely terrifying and an issue that needs addressing.

The problem with this, of course, is that it hinges upon subject value judgements and non-quantitative data. But still, there are nuances that go beyond 'omg rape' and 'omg freedom of expression' that need to be taken into account in a discussion of the issues. Which maybe one day I'll actually think about in some reasonable depth.
 

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SO many responces! Can't read them all. Can't tell if I'm repeating someone. GAH!

Screw it I'm posting it anyway.

Aw, What? No more Japanese rape games? How will the Japanese economy survive?
 

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Cliff_m85 said:
13lackfriday said:
Cliff_m85 said:
13lackfriday said:
Urgh, that cover really doesn't help the porno business's case.
Spells out the whole predatory nature of this kind of entertainment...almost as bad as those cases in the US involving men found with pedophilic material who got off on some very shrewd nitpicking on the part of their lawyers.

If this kind of niche entertainment has to exist, they could at least be a little more discreet about it.
They've been around too long, comfortable under the indifference of government.

Cliff_m85 said:
I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously rape is a horrible and hideous thing, but this is fictionalized rape. It doesn't harm anyone at all. I think that it should still be legal for sale to those who want it.
That's just going to entice people to try the real thing when they're through with the pixels.
So what you're saying is that we are all potential rapists and it just takes a few pixels to convince us to try the real thing?

What a disgusting look at humanity!
It's only human nature.
And we, as humans, are really just animals too, with the same instincts and impulses.

You give someone a taste of something, they'll want more.
Virtual recreations have their limits.

Actually it's not human nature and it's a disgusting thought that everybody has a hidden rapist deep down inside of them and that any small enticement would bring it out of them.

I play Grand Theft Auto, but I'm never inclined to steal a vehicle or murder someone.
I drink alcohol occassionally, but never to excess. (Having a taste, want more claim)

Obviously we are animals, but we actually don't have the same instincts and impulses. We have a complex moral system and a sense of our own mortality that hinders certain behaviours for most people.
That's an interesting thought though: You play Grand Theft Auto yet are never inclined to steal or murder.

So...if -you- were to play one of these rape games, you also wouldn't then be more inclined to rape? And, would those who play these game and who have moved onto real rape, be less inclined to have done so if they hadn't ever played?

I mean...it seems to me that for those who move on to the real thing, they already had this problem with them. The rape games, the pornography, yeah, probably didn't help, and probably did exacerbate things, the straw that broke the camel as it were. However, are these things going to -cause- people to go out an act on these urges based purely by themselves?

If yes. Then you'd better stay well away, because any direct contact will twist your mind and turn you into a rapist!

If no (which is what I'm nudging at), then you just have to accept that there are sick people in the world, and that the media they consume should be no excuse for their own criminal acts. And if anything can over a valid diversion for those who enjoy the fantasy aspect of rape, and yet would never conceive of actually committing the act in real life beyond roleplay.
 

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Their country, their games. They just sell it there because apparently its allowed. Sure rape is a heinous crime. Almost all people don't like the idea, but you have to consider the fact that this isn't the first game like this and that they just sell these games in Japan. Sure I like the fact these kinds of materials are banned but it's Japan's games. And the government accepts them, apparently.
 

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Slippery slope anyone? Besides that, did none of you retarded fuckers notice the "not legally binding" part at the end? I'm going to hazard a guess that a company that produces and sells games involving sex of any kind doesn't give two fucking shits about anything a woman's activist group does that is "not legally binding."

It's not a ban, so much as an unrateable motion. The only reason anyone cares is because stupid people keep slapping the word "BANNED" in their headlines. This doesn't really change anything.

Yes, I am arguing in favor of it, cuz you know what? We all play games involving murder, and murder is pretty fucking horrible too, but I don't think it should be banned either. What should be banned is the act of letting humans live that can't tell the difference between real life and entertainment. God forbid people think about dirty things while they whack off.
 

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Cliff_m85 said:
Outcast107 said:
I love how a lot of people are saying that if they ban rape, they'll ban other stuff...Listen people, Im all for freedom of speech and all, but you have to stop at a certain point. And rape is going WAY! to far for a game. just as Postal is going to far with just mindlessly killing people. So use your brain, if they don't stop it somewhere, then it will get worst and worst.
Freedom of Speech, besides screaming fire in a theater or whatnot, can never go too far.


It's fantasy and it's not harming anyone. Pixels and animation....that's all it is.
Are you a moron? screaming bomb or fire in a public place will cause panic. With the world like it is now a days, most people are going to believe it. And it can go to far if the people panic and someone dies because the person gets trample on, or some other form of death. Everything needs a stopping point. And rape games should never be made. IDC what you sicko think that it should be left alone, and its not "hurting anyone." Rape imo is worst then anything, and who ever does it, should be put to death.
 

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Outcast107 said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Outcast107 said:
I love how a lot of people are saying that if they ban rape, they'll ban other stuff...Listen people, Im all for freedom of speech and all, but you have to stop at a certain point. And rape is going WAY! to far for a game. just as Postal is going to far with just mindlessly killing people. So use your brain, if they don't stop it somewhere, then it will get worst and worst.
Freedom of Speech, besides screaming fire in a theater or whatnot, can never go too far.


It's fantasy and it's not harming anyone. Pixels and animation....that's all it is.
Are you a moron? screaming bomb or fire in a public place will cause panic. With the world like it is now a days, most people are going to believe it. And it can go to far if the people panic and someone dies because the person gets trample on, or some other form of death. Everything needs a stopping point. And rape games should never be made. IDC what you sicko think that it should be left alone, and its not "hurting anyone." Rape imo is worst then anything, and who ever does it, should be put to death.
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Yes. It is. And they should. If they do it against -real- people. Real as in: A person that is alive and not a drawing or an animation. A person who can be directly and physically harmed, and yes, shouting 'bomb' in a crowded area can do that, but what's your point?

That the game, merely by being used creates a rapist. I asked someone the same question above, so I'll ask you now: If YOU played one of these games, would you become a rapist? The question is utterly ridiculous, of course you wouldn't! And neither are most of the people that do play them.

And those that do, -should- be put away.
 

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But why should a game like this be ever made? I don't get what your trying to say. By just saying "O it won't hurt you" isn't a good argument. and I was using that point because I was saying that freedom of speech can go to far, and there should be a stopping point. Why should we made games about rape? its like saying rape is a good thing. Now your going to say that shooters are bad to, but most of the time, in shooters you are defending yourself. So I don't see how "defending yourself" and "going out and raping a person for fun" are the same thing.

All I see are guys trying to defend by saying free speech, and "not hurting anyone." But really, what none of you can answer is why it should be made. "Cause its fun?" What kind of a fucking answer is that? So your saying rape is good to do to people. I don't care if its not "hurting anyone real" It just shouldn't be made.
 

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dont mean to cause a stir, but since someone mentioned that japan has a "low" incident rate of rape compared to other countries i have to say the reason is its under reported.

that may be hard to swallow but in college i went out with a japanese girl and she said it wasnt uncommon and in some cases if it happens its the girls fault. its an odd place. im sure google will turn up some interesting stories of japanese rape.

freedom of speech or whatever it is, this game is a bit weird isnt it? if there was 10-20% market share for games involvind luring kids into vans with sweets (since this game is japanese the victims in this game are probably mid-teen schoolgirls) i'd be sure your moral radar would light up like a christmas tree.

the shocker is the market share, its, say, one in seven! that is f*uckin crazy no matter what way you spin it.
 

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GothmogII said:
Cliff_m85 said:
13lackfriday said:
Cliff_m85 said:
13lackfriday said:
Urgh, that cover really doesn't help the porno business's case.
Spells out the whole predatory nature of this kind of entertainment...almost as bad as those cases in the US involving men found with pedophilic material who got off on some very shrewd nitpicking on the part of their lawyers.

If this kind of niche entertainment has to exist, they could at least be a little more discreet about it.
They've been around too long, comfortable under the indifference of government.

Cliff_m85 said:
I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously rape is a horrible and hideous thing, but this is fictionalized rape. It doesn't harm anyone at all. I think that it should still be legal for sale to those who want it.
That's just going to entice people to try the real thing when they're through with the pixels.
So what you're saying is that we are all potential rapists and it just takes a few pixels to convince us to try the real thing?

What a disgusting look at humanity!
It's only human nature.
And we, as humans, are really just animals too, with the same instincts and impulses.

You give someone a taste of something, they'll want more.
Virtual recreations have their limits.

Actually it's not human nature and it's a disgusting thought that everybody has a hidden rapist deep down inside of them and that any small enticement would bring it out of them.

I play Grand Theft Auto, but I'm never inclined to steal a vehicle or murder someone.
I drink alcohol occassionally, but never to excess. (Having a taste, want more claim)

Obviously we are animals, but we actually don't have the same instincts and impulses. We have a complex moral system and a sense of our own mortality that hinders certain behaviours for most people.
That's an interesting thought though: You play Grand Theft Auto yet are never inclined to steal or murder.

So...if -you- were to play one of these rape games, you also wouldn't then be more inclined to rape? And, would those who play these game and who have moved onto real rape, be less inclined to have done so if they hadn't ever played?

I mean...it seems to me that for those who move on to the real thing, they already had this problem with them. The rape games, the pornography, yeah, probably didn't help, and probably did exacerbate things, the straw that broke the camel as it were. However, are these things going to -cause- people to go out an act on these urges based purely by themselves?

If yes. Then you'd better stay well away, because any direct contact will twist your mind and turn you into a rapist!

If no (which is what I'm nudging at), then you just have to accept that there are sick people in the world, and that the media they consume should be no excuse for their own criminal acts. And if anything can over a valid diversion for those who enjoy the fantasy aspect of rape, and yet would never conceive of actually committing the act in real life beyond roleplay.
If I played a game featuring rape I wouldn't be more inclined to rape because I understand that rape is a hideous thing. The same arguments against the rape game are made against pornography as well, ignoring that millions of people view pornography and lead healthy lives just as I do. I don't think an image, a pixel, a fantasy based game, a movie, or a song will ever be the final straw. I think there are deep mental problems in a person before they do anything as disgusting as rape, and banning a song or game will not make their mental problem go away.

Certain movies incorporate rape as a portion of the story, one of such is a favorite movie of mine "One Time In America". The rape is disgusting, it's painful to watch, and you feel disgusted at the character who does it. It's a brilliant scene because it sums up the immorality of the person more than the violence that the character commits. It also shows the horror of such a situation. So I would have to say that I enjoyed what the movie depicted because it aroused such anger in me and made me feel during the viewing. So rape does have a place in the media, and to claim that watching a fictional scene or a pixilated scene would cause someone to finally snap is insane.
 

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Outcast107 said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Outcast107 said:
I love how a lot of people are saying that if they ban rape, they'll ban other stuff...Listen people, Im all for freedom of speech and all, but you have to stop at a certain point. And rape is going WAY! to far for a game. just as Postal is going to far with just mindlessly killing people. So use your brain, if they don't stop it somewhere, then it will get worst and worst.
Freedom of Speech, besides screaming fire in a theater or whatnot, can never go too far.


It's fantasy and it's not harming anyone. Pixels and animation....that's all it is.
Are you a moron? screaming bomb or fire in a public place will cause panic. With the world like it is now a days, most people are going to believe it. And it can go to far if the people panic and someone dies because the person gets trample on, or some other form of death. Everything needs a stopping point. And rape games should never be made. IDC what you sicko think that it should be left alone, and its not "hurting anyone." Rape imo is worst then anything, and who ever does it, should be put to death.
I would suggest someone else as the moron since my quote CLEARLY says "BESIDES screaming fire in a theater....."

A video game with pixels depicting fictional actions don't hurt anyone. Rape in real life, however, does hurt people. If you can't tell the difference between fiction and reality then I feel sorry for you.
 

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fowley said:
dont mean to cause a stir, but since someone mentioned that japan has a "low" incident rate of rape compared to other countries i have to say the reason is its under reported.

that may be hard to swallow but in college i went out with a japanese girl and she said it wasnt uncommon and in some cases if it happens its the girls fault. its an odd place. im sure google will turn up some interesting stories of japanese rape.

freedom of speech or whatever it is, this game is a bit weird isnt it? if there was 10-20% market share for games involvind luring kids into vans with sweets (since this game is japanese the victims in this game are probably mid-teen schoolgirls) i'd be sure your moral radar would light up like a christmas tree.

the shocker is the market share, its, say, one in seven! that is f*uckin crazy no matter what way you spin it.
We're not talking moral rage, as those games tend to disgust me completely. We're talking if it should be allowed to be sold in America, and the First Amendment clearly protects such games. If you don't like the game, as I don't, then don't play it. However censoring such a game just draws more attention to it.....as we clearly see. Not to mention that fictional pixels don't hurt anyone.