Rape Games Banned in Japan

[Kiutu]

I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

People have rape fantasies. However logical thinking people, instead of commiting a horrible crime, either look at played out rape porn, play rape porn video games, or do rape scenarios with aconsenting partner or partners.

Also, for those who like it...it is fun. There is no real difference aside from what squirts out.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

I for one think that this is a hilarious looking game, and the whole situation is just laughable.


EDIT: Also I think it'll be really funny if Japans rape rate like skyrockets now.

 

[Nimbus]

This is the industry setting a standard for itself. The government isn't forcing legistlation. They have simply agreed on a value.

Actually, this standard is being set by the Ethics Organization of Computer Software in Japan. This is the equivilent of the ESRB. The day a ratings board is considered part of "the industry" is the day I lose hope in the industry altogether.

 

[TyphoidMary]

I'm not saying that these games are a good idea, or that they should be allowed, but they do realize that banning a game/movie/book/image is the best way to make it popular? Look at Harry Potter (all the christians who said "This book is evil!" made a controversy that made it popular)

 

[Good morning blues]

Good show! There really is no place in a society for cultural material that explicitly and obviously promotes and normalizes rape.

But promotion of viligantism, murder and war crimes is okay? Don't you think that this is a double standard?

Hey now, when did I say that? Promotion of vigilantism, murder and war crimes absolutely is not okay.

So 90% of videogames are not okay?

There's a pretty big difference between explicitly and obviously promoting vigilantism, murder and war crimes and simply depicting them. Most video games are okay, but there are a lot out there that are regressive and harmful contributions to Western society and culture.

 

[joystickjunki3]

I'm someone who argues in favor 99.99999% of the time for the freedom of expression and that a virtual simulation and real life act are completely separate. But I gotta say, It's about damn time.

this particular genre is estimated to make up 10-20 percent of the Japanese PC game industry[/b]

:facepalms

I agree. This is going a bit beyond freedom of expression. What would the maker want to express with this game?

One could say the same thing about GTA or Manhunt.

Manhunt and GTA didn't appear in a time where 1 in 4 people are murdered. They also have consequences for their actions and even when they glorify violence they portray it in a brutal real way.

I have seen footage of rape games before. They are passed around on torrents and sites link to direct downloads of them all the time. Unlike NPCs that are killed, the women are simply objectified and dehumanized. They simply spout the same "Oh god no, please" and never put up enough of a struggle, they simply lay in a simple idle animation todenoting that women are weak and in the end they end up either just "accepting" or "enjoying it". There is nothing shown about the trauma and pain they have to live with the rest of their lives. The humiliation, and fear that enters their mind just going outside into the street, or when another person innocently touches their shoulder or shakes their hand. Who cares when they were never human beings with personality to being with right?

In our run of the mill hack and slash video games and shooters do the NPCS simply line up, put up no struggle and enjoy being murdered or brutalized? They might not fight well enough, but they're given character and show pain.

Just to make sure we're clear here, I don't agree w/ the representation of women in these games. I just don't think banning something like this right. I have the same feelings about that cartoon/comic of Bart and Lisa Simpson from a little while ago that was so brutally banged up by the legal system.

If they were actual snuff/rape films or real child pornography then I'd be on a completely different side of the argument, but the fact remains that these are imaginary worlds where no one is directly hurt in reality.

Sometimes these things actually prevent real rape. I believe there was a study done here in the States from sometime ago that showed that once porn was legalized in a region the rape rate declined (I know it's somewhat unprovable if it' a direct relation). I'll try and find the study to back me up.

EDIT: Well it's start, but this isn't the website I remember reading it on.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=913013#

 

[Internet Kraken]

I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

People have rape fantasies. However logical thinking people, instead of commiting a horrible crime, either look at played out rape porn, play rape porn video games, or do rape scenarios with aconsenting partner or partners.

Also, for those who like it...it is fun. There is no real difference aside from what squirts out.

Prove to me that rape games prevent rape. Show me a study that proves it.

This does not prevent rape. It only makes rape socially acceptable.

 

[GothmogII]

1) Rape isn't just a sex crime against women. Men get raped, too. I find it shocking that some people can't understand this.

2) It's not real rape (thus, it's a victimless crime), and that's censorship. I'm not condoning rape, but how is that any of the government's business?

There's no such thing as a victimless crime.

I am the Law! No-One is innocent!

Ahem...sorry, got a little Judge Dreddy there. Anyway, that sounded right in your head I presume? Of course there are victimless crimes.

Someone commits a crime.

A victim is non-present in any capacity, either directly or in-directly.

Hence the term: Victimless crime.

Take lets say...homosexuality, in many countries in the world, homosexuality is still considered a crime. Now...point out the victim in this scenario?

Or...walking on the grass (Yes they do fine for this in some places), I get it, you're 'victimising' the guy that owns the grass right? I mean, he went to all the trouble of putting up a sign that says: Do not walk on the grass, and there you go victimising him and ruining his life! You cad!

 

[NeutralDrow]

In the list of concepts that sickened me, that game was ranked pretty damned high. For all that I'm wary of censorship and the like, I cannot see this as anything but a positive.

Besides, it means there'll probably be more eroge focusing on consensual sex for me to enjoy. The hentai industry will clearly benefit (me).

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

Good show! There really is no place in a society for cultural material that explicitly and obviously promotes and normalizes rape.

But promotion of viligantism, murder and war crimes is okay? Don't you think that this is a double standard?

Hey now, when did I say that? Promotion of vigilantism, murder and war crimes absolutely is not okay.

So 90% of videogames are not okay?

94%.
Sports are also not okay.

 

[lonercs]

Actually, all porn, soft or hard, is censored in Japan. All of it. Seriously.

Not looking so "free" now, is it?

People found loopholes, some censor with an incredible thin line. Also you can't censor soft core porn. Soft core=no vagina/penis which Japan censors them.

 

[DerpyDerpyDerp]

Just like animated CP is legal, so should animated rape. It's a game people. Saying games like that promote rape is exactly the same as Gears/Halo/whatever your poison promotes shooting people in the face.

 

[6PrinceofDarkness6]

To be honest, I don't think banning any type of material is ever a good thing.

If you want to talk strictly pragmatically, making such material more restricted doesn't necessarily equate to making rape less likely (if anything, it's possible to have the opposite effect). While it's definitely noteworthy that these games make up such a large portion of the PC gaming market in Japan, it's also interesting to note that Japan has a very low rape rate [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#UN_Statistics] in relation to most other nations. Until they can show that these games actually contribute to discrimination or criminality, banning them seems premature.

And, of course, this is not to mention that I'm opposed to all kinds of censorship. It may be about rape, but if that's the story they want to tell, I would call that their right. As gross as I may find it, may tastes can't change their desires, and my taboos should not hold power over their behavior.

I can really only agree with you there. Not to mention just why the simulations came about in the first place in Japan really has it's roots from the crap that the United States pulled back after World War 2...

Although my personal standpoint is that these "games" are massivly badong (bad and wrong), I am still intrested in the opinions of this dear community.

One of my favorite movies ever, and I love you for reminding me of it.

Ha!

 

[Internet Kraken]

I'm not saying that these games are a good idea, or that they should be allowed, but they do realize that banning a game/movie/book/image is the best way to make it popular? Look at Harry Potter (all the christians who said "This book is evil!" made a controversy that made it popular)

They're not banning it to prevent them from being sold. They are doing it to appease the other nations.

I doubt they will enforce this ban.

 

[Fightgarr]

Japan is such a suppressed society that it's little wonder their entertainment is completely outlandish. In a way, this reminds me of a Japanese porno producer who thought that the USA was the "Land of Sex" because of all the American porn that was flooding the Internet.

Really? Are the Japanese suppressed? I was under the impression that all of their sexual activities were very overt and most people are incredibly open about it. I think that might be the opposite of suppressed, where here in North America we'll make a big deal about someone accidentally flashing someone; something like Janet Jackson at the superbowl. I think America is more sexually suppressed than Japan.
I may have called you on that shit.

 

[Kiutu]

I think there's a fine difference between rape games and games with killing. We don't play violent games just to kill people. We play them because the game play is fun.

With a rape game, you are not playing it because the game play is fun. You are playing it to rape somebody.

People have rape fantasies. However logical thinking people, instead of commiting a horrible crime, either look at played out rape porn, play rape porn video games, or do rape scenarios with aconsenting partner or partners.

Also, for those who like it...it is fun. There is no real difference aside from what squirts out.

Prove to me that rape games prevent rape. Show me a study that proves it.

This does not prevent rape. It only makes rape socially acceptable.

Prove to me that rape games makes it happen more (not counting virtually)
Also let me get my Lancer and cut you in half with the chainsaw. Oh, its fine, Gears of War isnt banned so its ok. (Unless you are sayign anything not nice should be banned, your point is very very flawed)

 

[The Youth Counselor]

Just like animated CP is legal, so should animated rape. It's a game people. Saying games like that promote rape is exactly the same as Gears/Halo/whatever your poison promotes shooting people in the face.

Child Pornography laws differ from state to state and many have banned depictions of it in drawn and even written form.

Didn't you hear about the FBI crackdown on fanfiction.net that led to arrests?

 

[imburke]

as insane as it is, im against this decision, it's a horrible subject to justify, i mean, horrible, but i have to agree with the freedom of speech, people and ocmpanies fight for the releases of games like grand theft auto where-in you can pick up hookers, and have sex to get back health, or mow down pedestrains and police officers for fun, but this is a GAME. i work in the retail indistry selling games, and admittedly there are people whoe really shouldnt be playing buying or watching these games, it takes away from developers and creators to make games that although have more mature content and a more mature context, the freedom allows these people to acheive a much greater range of emotions from the gamers, like it or not, gaming IS an artform, and we ( as a people and governemnt) wouldnt censor art, quick everyone look away, you can see davids hog, shame you michaelangelo...

 

[The Political Gamer]

In America we like violence, in Japan they like... well you know what I mean.

 

[Caliostro]

You know, we really gotta shove all of these people in an island and nuke them... Just kill them all.

You think I'm talking about the guys that develop these games don't you? Well you're wrong. I'm talking about the cockwits that think forbidding things they don't like is perfectly reasonable. The idea of "freedom" goes both ways. If nobody's getting hurt, there's no reason to stop it.

Hey retards, is anyone getting hurt? What's that? No? It's just a VIDEOGAME? No one is getting hurt in any way shape or form? Why, no, no they're not. Not a single person is being hurt.


...We really need like, half of the world to just die... At least half.