Rape Games Not Banned in Japan After All

[Agayek]

Rapists do not have control over what their urges are, they have a mental problem. Do we consider everyone with a mental problem scum? Including, but not limited to: depressed people, mentally handicapped people, etc.

If the mental disorder causes them to deliberately harm an innocent, yes.

I'd like you to explain why you seem to fixed on calling an entire group of people scum, while you do not know them all, possibly even knowing if you yourself may be one waiting to happen as well in the future.

Anyone that decides to harm another person, regardless of reason, is scum. Every single person, in the entire history of humanity, has always had a choice, at every single second of every single day of the entirety of their lives. Rapists chose to rape someone. That makes them scum. The same holds true for thieves, murderers, con-artists, and just about anyone else you can think of that deliberately brings real harm to an innocent.

 

[Devil's Due]

If the mental disorder causes them to deliberately harm an innocent, yes.

Why are they scum? Shouldn't we be working on a cure instead of grabbing our pitchforks and torches?

[quote"Agayek" post="7.116085.2165837"]Anyone that decides to harm another person, regardless of reason, is scum.[/quote]

Then everyone is scum. You cannot tell me you never harmed another person, not hit your little brother when you were a mer child because he annoyed you, or playfully slapped a friend or a little rough housing with your buddies. Don't pull a little "I've never harmed anyone in my life" move, trust me, you have once before, if you remember or not.

 

[Internet Kraken]

If the mental disorder causes them to deliberately harm an innocent, yes.

Why are they scum? Shouldn't we be working on a cure instead of grabbing our pitchforks and torches?

Out of curiosity, why are you defending rapists?


Also there is no cure for being a rapist. It's not something you are born with like a disease. It's just how some people think. So unless we can surgically alter the way people think, there is no cure.

 

[Agayek]

Why are they scum? Shouldn't we be working on a cure instead of grabbing our pitchforks and torches?

No. They should be punished for their actions to the fullest extent of the law.

Then we can try for a cure.

Edit: They are scum because they made the decision to visit harm on another human being who had made no actions against them, or at the least insufficient action to warrant their response. They made the choice to behave in a way representative of scum, and I made the choice to call it like it is.

Then everyone is scum. You cannot tell me you never harmed another person, not hit your little brother when you were a mer child because he annoyed you, or playfully slapped a friend or a little rough housing with your buddies. Don't pull a little "I've never harmed anyone in my life" move, trust me, you have once before, if you remember or not.

I have never intentionally visited real physical harm on another person who has not initiated violence.

Yes, I have rough housed with friends.

Yes, I have shoved people around.

That is not harm. That is rough housing. A shove out of the way, or a friendly bit of wrestling, does not visit harm on someone. Pulling out a crowbar and hitting someone with it, that is harm. Throwing a punch at a person's vulnerable parts (face, groin, throat, etc) that is harm. All of your examples are not harm. Harm is real damage done, every single example you gave is the kind of thing that leaves no mark and is completely forgotten within 5 minutes.

And before you get on my case about it, it is always acceptable to use violence in self-defense so long as you do not provoke the fight.

 

[Devil's Due]

Out of curiosity, why are you defending rapists?

Who said I was defending them? I don't support them nor defend them, I just get annoyed when someone generalizes an entire group of people as a "lower class" human (or not one at all, for that matter).

Also there is no cure for being a rapist.

Who says there is no cure? Have we explored every possible way, medicine, and training possible to fix this? What about future advances in technology?

 

[tyzzni]

am i the only person, while I'm not a fan of rape games, that thinks the fact that japan will release any game because its ONLY A GAME means they have more balls then America will ever have? They are basically the adults of the earth because they realize that games are games and can't hurt people unless people let them.

 

[Devil's Due]

No. They should be punished for their actions to the fullest extent of the law.

Then we can try for a cure.

So we must kill them all first, then we will find a cure?

Huh?

I have never intentionally visited real physical harm on another person who has not initiated violence.

Yes, I have rough housed with friends.

Yes, I have shoved people around.

Yes, you have.

That is not harm. That is rough housing.

No, it's not.

And before you get on my case about it, it is always acceptable to use violence in self-defense so long as you do not provoke the fight.

But in your own words "anyone that decides to harm another person, regardless of reason, is scum." Regardless of reason.

PS: Apologies for any double post, if this is one. Also, I seem to suck at quoting.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Also there is no cure for being a rapist.

Who says there is no cure? Have we explored every possible way, medicine, and training possible to fix this? What about future advances in technology?

You wouldn't be curing them. You would have to rewire someone's brain to make them think differently. If you did that, you would not be curing them. You would be turning them into a different person.

 

[Devil's Due]

You wouldn't be curing them. You would have to rewire someone's brain to make them think differently. If you did that, you would not be curing them. You would be turning them into a different person.

They do that for depression, giving you things to change and think positively. Would you prefer someone being changed slightly, or let them harm innocent people and possibly be dangerous to themselves?

 

[meisnewbie]

What's hilarious is the amount of misinformation in this thread.

1) H-games are Niche. Really niche. They tend to break even at 20k sales and only around 3ish companies have broken 100k sales (Leaf, Circus?, TYPE MOON and Age) And of those companies, only a tiny fraction specialize in deviant fetishes. This means that it's stupid to treat the existence of this game as ANYTHING to do with Japan as a whole. (In fact, the Japanese media has repeatedly tried to demonize adults who play video games, watch anime/read manga)
2) The article earlier talking about the underreporting of rape, if taken together with the UN reports on rapes per 100k people STILL has Japan's annual rape rate THREE TIMES lesser than the United States' in the ABSOLUTE worst case scenario of there being nine unreported rapes per one reported rapes.
3) In terms of deviancy, Rapelay is practically tame compared to let's say, anything by Black Lilith/Black Cyc etc. both companies who make games with excessive amounts of guro (For the uninformed, brutal killing during, after or before sex). It's entirely foolish to attribute ANYTHING to that game in particular.
4) On a related note, why is it that Japan is deviant for having rape games, but America and other western countries get a free pass for rape porn?

 

[Agayek]

So we must kill them all first, then we will find a cure?

Huh?

If they committed an act worth the death penalty, yes. In my mind, the only act that qualifies for death is murder. I do not care if they are crazy or not. They made the choice to attack another human being, I have no sympathy.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is. By a very loose definition of the word harm, you would be correct. Unfortunately, it seems semantics is getting in the way again.

I define harm as actual damage. In rough housing with friends, or physically dealing with extreme annoyances, I have never once done any damage. Within 5 seconds they had recovered fully and we both went about our days. That is not harm, as I am using the term here. Maybe a different word would have worked better, but I can't think clearly enough to pick the right one.

But in your own words "anyone that decides to harm another person, regardless of reason, is scum." Regardless of reason.

PS: Apologies for any double post, if this is one. Also, I seem to suck at quoting.

Your right here, I had forgotten the qualifier due to it being 1 AM. I live by the non-aggression axiom. Essentially, violence in any form is illegitimate except in self-defense. I should have reworded what I had said into "anyone that decides to initiate violence against another person, regardless of reason, is scum".

They do that for depression, giving you things to change and think positively. Would you prefer someone being changed slightly, or let them harm innocent people and possibly be dangerous to themselves?

If they want to seek treatment for it, good for them. I will never support someone forcing them to get treatment though. And yet again, if they choose to visit harm upon another, then they should be punished.

It's really quite simple. Judge people on their actions, which they have complete and total control over. If they choose to act violently towards others, the only valid response is to punish them for it.

Who said I was defending them? I don't support them nor defend them, I just get annoyed when someone generalizes an entire group of people as a "lower class" human (or not one at all, for that matter).

Normally, I'd agree with you completely. However, judging groups of people, when they are made into groups through their actions and decisions, is the only valid way to judge people. They chose to rape, thus they joined the group known as "rapists", and there is no other possible way to join that group. In addition, simply by the fact that they performed the act of rape, they are scum. Therefore, all rapists are scum.

Who says there is no cure? Have we explored every possible way, medicine, and training possible to fix this? What about future advances in technology?

No idea, but I am not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. They chose to rape an innocent. That completely invalidates any argument for their sake.

 

[Lyri]

I'm kinda glad this isn't banned, once people start banning games on moral stances all kinds of doors are open.
Want a new GTA game? Sorry, we don't promote theft and murder.
Want a new Halo? Sorry, Genocide is wrong.

You can see where I'm going with it, I know rape is wrong but I don't need a video game being banned to inform me of this.
I'd take this game about as seriously as I do any other game, not at all.
If you want to play it, go nuts.

Ps. I would, who cares.

 

[Devil's Due]

I do not care if they are crazy or not. They made the choice to attack another human being, I have no sympathy.

Even if they don't know right from wrong?

Yes, it is. By a very loose definition of the word harm, you would be correct. Unfortunately, it seems semantics is getting in the way again.

Then we must find the correct wording, don't you agree?

Your right here, I had forgotten the qualifier due to it being 1 AM. I live by the non-aggression axiom. Essentially, violence in any form is illegitimate except in self-defense. I should have reworded what I had said into "anyone that decides to initiate violence against another person, regardless of reason, is scum".

We all make mistakes in our posts.

If they want to seek treatment for it, good for them.

Yet even if they did get their treatment, you would still call them scum, would you not?

Normally, I'd agree with you completely. However, judging groups of people, when they are made into groups through their actions and decisions, is the only valid way to judge people. They chose to rape, thus they joined the group known as "rapists", and there is no other possible way to join that group. In addition, simply by the fact that they performed the act of rape, they are scum. Therefore, all rapists are scum.

Not all "rapists" are actually rapists. Some have been labeled that by the law due to a girlfriend or an ex wanting revenge, or being framed and the law not noticing it and labeling them one.

No idea, but I am not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. They chose to rape an innocent. That completely invalidates any argument for their sake.

How does that completely and utterly invalidate any and all arguments they may have?

You seem to be really bent on wanting to have all rapists condemned to the worst thing alive, no matter what, if they did it knowingly or unknowingly, willingly or unwillingly, or at all. As long as they hold the term "rapist," you seem to be completely against them no matter what. Why do you have such hatred? Why do you feel the desire to judge and hate an entire group of people?

Also, this quoting we are doing seems to be getting rather big, in my opinion, so many quotes, so little time. No matter what I seem to show to you, you just say "they're rapists, any arguments made for them are invalided." Why should I waste my time trying to show you something when you're not being open minded? I'm done with this, not worth my time. Farewell, Agayek. May we meet again, hopefully with friendship in mind, rather than arguments.

 

[Meado]

Ignore this post. Stupid computer. ¬_¬

Edit: Actually...

Rape is a despicable thing, and anyone who does it deserves to be locked up and have their head examined. If there's something wrong, fine. Try and fix it. If you can't fix it, put them somewhere comfortable where they can never hurt anyone again.
But if there's nothing wrong with them mentally, stick them in jail where they can get cozy with a fat guy named Bubba for a while, then tatoo the word "RAPIST" on their forehead. Rapists are scum, and deserve no sympathy.
And the only thing worse than a rapist is someone who falsely accuses someone of rape for revenge or attention.

 

[Devil's Due]

Fine, post ignored.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

I am glad to see the weeboos out in force and people like Ice Storm showing his love for rapists. Him and that Japanese Official should get together you know the one who said it is a woman's fault she got raped you two sound like you would get along splendidly. Anyone defending a rapist is as much a bag of shit as the rapist and should be killed violently alongside the people they love.

 

[Worgen]

ugh, Im torn here, while rape in any form is horrible (for the life of me I dont get how ppl can be turned on by rape porn) on the other hand I dont want to see "games" be tethred by this type of restriction too.... I hesitate to use the term artistic expression since it is sooooo damn wrong in this instance so Ill just say....... Im not sure where Im going here but I suppose I disagree with an outright ban for something that is inherently made up no matter how offensive

 

[Doug]

If the mental disorder causes them to deliberately harm an innocent, yes.

Why are they scum? Shouldn't we be working on a cure instead of grabbing our pitchforks and torches?

Out of curiosity, why are you defending rapists?


Also there is no cure for being a rapist. It's not something you are born with like a disease. It's just how some people think. So unless we can surgically alter the way people think, there is no cure.

Castration, chemical or surgerical. They've shown they can't be trusted with their testicles in working order, remove their weapon then.

 

[Doug]

Ignore this post. Stupid computer. ¬_¬

Edit: Actually...

Rape is a despicable thing, and anyone who does it deserves to be locked up and have their head examined. If there's something wrong, fine. Try and fix it. If you can't fix it, put them somewhere comfortable where they can never hurt anyone again.
But if there's nothing wrong with them mentally, stick them in jail where they can get cozy with a fat guy named Bubba for a while, then tatoo the word "RAPIST" on their forehead. Rapists are scum, and deserve no sympathy.

Agreed!

And the only thing worse than a rapist is someone who falsely accuses someone of rape for revenge or attention.

Sadly, this does occur. And is part of (although not completely) the reason rape convictions are so low. Add to that, its a case of she say's its rape, he says it wasn't/was rough sex. Trying to prove consent or lack of is extremely difficult unless there was a witness to the event; and then of course, they should have tried to stop it, and hence aren't likely to come forward.